MGTOW is bullshit and poison

This is a reminder.

You want to do some mental gymnastics to justify it?

Fine, you could do the same to justify suicide.

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normal functional people don't even know what mgtow is, don't worry.

If you don't get agree with it. Just get married. Prove them wrong.

>you could do the same to justify suicide
B-but suicide is ok, bro

^fucking this.

suicide is an action

mgtow is a critique of marriage as it exists today

shutup

white women got it into their heads they could exploit men through divorce. fuck them fuck their faggy dreams fuck every one making excuses for this shit. it ruined 3 generations and now has conditioned men to not want to get married and for females to think they can waste every ones time being a whore until their ovaries dry up then we are suppose to marry them so they wont die alone in some gutter

You know what's the opposite of MGTOW? Cuckery.

Have fun with it, monkeybro.

It really is the male version of feminism.

>"[The opposite gender] is trying to oppress you with relationships, you can be happy on your own, we swear! And remember to never reproduce, that's when you're most easily exploited!"

I wonder who would push such a message.

>MGTOW just hate women
Nope. Women are women. Their nature has always been this way. It's the system that's the problem.

>not all women are feminists
Yes actually they are. Literally every single woman today is a feminist. They may reject the label, and they may reject 3rd wave tumblrtard feminism with the overt misandry and purple-dyed hair, but they love their careers, their paychecks, their voting privileges, their birth control, their ability to murder unborn infants, the slanted divorce laws, the security and protection of the ever-expanding police state, and their welfare bennies.

>not all women are sluts
Again, yes they pretty much are. According to the decades long CDC research on promiscuity and divorce, only 5% of women today enter into marriages as virgins. This is totally inverted from the 1970s where only 5% of women had notch counts of 10+ before marriage. Also, if a woman has more than 5 sex partners she is considered promiscuous and unmarriageable. Show me an attractive woman over the age of 18 with less than 5 sex partners.

>b-but the church girls!
Literally just a meme. Try actually going to a church. It's all either old ladies or fat, tatted up single moms with mulatto kids. If somehow there actually are attractive, virgin, fertile, young girls in a church then it's because that church is in some small farmer town in the middle of nowhere in Tennesee, and that girl is already taken by some farmer Chad who grew up with her in church since childhood.

>you need to wife up a former slut and save her from her life of degeneracy
Not possible. Again, the science shows that if a woman has even just 5 sex partners she is unmarriageable. You cannot fix or alter the consequences of her past no matter how alpha you try to be. Doesn't matter if she wants to start LARPing as a tradwife now that she's 27 and approaching the wall. The CDC study proves that her past life as a slut has doomed her to inevitable divorce no matter what.

I don't know man a few of my college mates are getting into that and they are what you would asume to be functional people
if suicide is ok then so is MGTOW, but not otherwise

>man up, do your duty, quit whining
Your limpdick shaming tactics have no effect. Trying to make me feel bad doesn't erase my knowledge of the divorce laws, female hypergamy, and female promiscuity.

>we need to have more white babies!
We need to have a coherent long-term strategy for the white race as opposed to just brute-force a single ineffective tactic of throwing more white babies into (((Schlomo)))'s meatgrinder. This system needs to be starved and collapsed before any real hope for the future of white people can seriously be considered.

>MGTOW is just feminism for men
Superficially yes, but there are very important differences. Feminism was about actively destroying the family by rejecting traditional gender roles and marriage, whereas with MGTOW men have had their traditional gender role of protector and provider usurped by the police state and welfare state (all voted in by women), and cannot seriously consider marriage due to the hideously broken family court system and divorce laws. So in other words, with feminism it was an active campaign to destroy marriage, whereas with MGTOW men are forced out of marriage against their will in order to survive. In any case, this is not a coherent counter-argument against MGTOW anyway. Even if, hypothetically, it was just "feminism for men", that doesn't alter the facts and the reasons why men would choose to go their own way.

>MGTOW are all beta virgin losers who can't get laid
More effeminate shaming language. If this is true then there is zero reason to oppose MGTOW. All MGTOW detractors - men and woman alike - should celebrate it and champion it as a eugenics program to get rid of undesirable mates. If I'm so disgusting then I am doing the world a bigger favor by not breeding and not bringing in more autistic white children into the world.

>your ancestors survived wars, famine, plague, drought, the crusades, spanish infuenza, etc. so you need to quit whining! Your ancestors are ashamed of you!
My ancestors never had a high-tech totalitarian police state that robbed them of their gender roles and actively sought to destroy marriage. Men could be men and women chose to be women. They had their hardships, sure, but if anything their hardships reinforced community, togetherness, and family, not destroyed it. Also, no, my ancestors are not 'looking down on me with shame'. They're dead and don't know shit about what I'm going through. Your guilt-tripping is boomer-tier.

>normal functional people don't even know what mgtow is
Most men know how shitty marriage is, they dont call themselves MGTOW. Maybe PUA, MRA, player etc. But in the end they're all going their own way

Also yeah, this. GET MARRIED!
Notice how get married is a legit curse word nowadays
+OP; please post the aftermath @ family court in 2 years ok?

Well, seems im a fuckin' normie then.

Wtf is MGTOW.

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>Wtf is MGTOW.
Men going their own way
-The rejection of gynocentrism (not cucking for women like OP), women dont get to vote, the development of sexbots and artificial wombs to free ourselves from the eternal vaginal jew.

For the rest, its up to you. Some MGTOW are married knowing the risks, some are PUA, some are Bi and go full gay. If youre hetero and ugly like me at least do the things you love like work (doctor) and hobbies (mountainbiking).

These together

>hobbies (mountainbiking)
How about mountaindewing?

>Some MGTOW are married knowing the risks
This makes no sense. If you get married you aren't really going your own way are you?

Still don't know if i should go mgtow nut the idea of having my life in the hands on a woman is to much.

I just realized that women are worthless. I still fuck them but id never settle down with one. Men are better at everything they can do, including being girls

Their argument about women is sound but their solution is to voluntarily exit the gene pool.
If anything MGTOW is just social darwinism at work

At that point you're no different.

not also, they are doing foreigners a favour (migrants including)

I'm 5'3 and black I was never planning on having kids anyway. Not like you will either larper :^)

>I'm 5'3

wew, sorry bro

So....

faggots?

I never once fucked a dude, and never once was in commited relationship

Wait until sex bots are as prevalent as apple phones.

BREED with women, WHITE women, okay

I get the logic, and largely I'd agree with you. Except whats broken isn't our biological survival drives to seek out women and protect 'our' women.

Whats broken is modern feminism. The statistics that come along with marriage and the classic nuclear family are too good to just throw away because of some stuck up bitches. Instead we really need to take back our laws, our standards and our culture. The thing that has to stop is the feminization of modern men and the political correctness of western culture.

At 40 a hillary supporter.

I AM NOT A CATTLE OR PEACE OF MEAT OR NUMBER OR A MINDLESS CONSUMER DRONE YOU FUCK
HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOT BRED
yet

MGTOW is just faggotry plus beeing such a piece of crap that you can't get yourself a girlfriend

MGTOW =/= not having sex. It's an umbrella term for everything that is not getting married to a western slut. You can still have sex and refuse to marry. You can also have kids (surrogacy) without having to listen to a woman all day long.

dude literally just don't get used by them, how can you consider yourselves a supreme race if you get cucked by your wives?
>b-but the laws she take muh monies
try not to be that dumb and don't sign agreeing with sharing your goods. Literally is that easy (at least in my country)

>that easy (at least in my country)

exactly

That's a good thing, not guilty if you made marriage a business on your country

Peter Pan sums up the MGTOW movement
>doesn't want to grow up
>Lives in a magical land where you have no responsibilities
>Doesn't age
>Actions don't have consequences
>Tinker Bell is the porn fairy
>Wendy wants to go back, grow up, take on responsibilities and get married

The tradcucks should just admit they put women first and the lines of men don't matter to them and only the golden pussy matters.
Commonlaw
>hurr then don't move in together
Then your relationship won't last long

))agreed((

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Then just don't fucking make it legal. Get married on church, move in together and live a long happy life, it is that easy not to get cucked

You're still commonlaw and when you break up she will use the fact you lived together to fuck you over

In EVERY MGTOW thread you get the same discourse:

1) Inexperienced but horny kiddos think every guy just want to fuck anything that moves and the entirety of social interaction revolves around fucking and MGTOWs are fat autistic virgin neckbeards who can't get laid.

2) Actual MGTOWs who are experienced grown men who are warning about the dangers of women + the state vs you, and how you can be easily taken for all you've got.

3) The "Yes, thats right goy - dont reproduce" jew shills - yes JEW SHILLS. The thing (((they))) want you to do is YES reproduce children to a raving tinder psycho / bar slut who will NEVER grow up and you will be raising her as well as your kids until she bails on you and takes half your shit after dragging you through divorce court.

The jew agenda is NOT to stop whites reproducing, its to produce a WEAKER generation with poor parents so the state can become the new parents. No reproduction means no goy-cows for milking. Why the fuck would (((they))) not want a new generation of tax-slaves? (((They))) own the banking system AND the law courts / judicial process.

(((The agenda))) is all about making money from broken individuals from broken families - NOT stopping reproducing.

MGTOW is redpilled because its men refusing to get fucked over by the jew system - and (((they))) are worried. (((They))) are worried that (((they))) have pushed the feminist "high maintenance woman" meme too far and thought men would become pussyfied slaves to nagging bitches and never thought men would just go their own way.

Suicide is permanent, MGTOW is temporary.

No one is MGTOW for life

its the share blue version of #JumpforTrump

In a perfect world, I wouldn't be against dating and marrying a qt conservative girl. The problem is divorce and family courts have so much power that it makes cohabitation, let alone marriage, a significant financial and legal risk. Prenups are more or less useless. On top of that, only like 0.1% of girls out there are actually waifu material, and the chance of me dating and recognizing one as such is even more slim.

Thanks, but no thanks, I'll stick with 2D fantasies.

Get off the soy

So your law is fucked up, it's sad, but doesn't justify MGTOW, stills just another legally failure. Blame that on democracy

Gf/fiancee is prego and I have only 15months left to live, what do Sup Forums ?

I'd say eating soy would make you more likely to get married.

Getting married is the pussy move.

Sure thing, Peter Pan.

t. good goy

We need a middle ground. MGTOW gets some things right and other things wrong. Men should get married and have children, but they should also pursue their ambitions and women should be more traditional like they used to be.

Intelligent people made their decisions depending on the context. Brainless are the ones who use a mental clutches like such (((movement))) to make important decisions for them.

MGTOW is a symptom of the problem, not the solution.

You dumbfuck Jew slave

You will never ever know the joy of looking into your son's face as you push 200kg personal best on the bench..

You will die a lonely death in a retirement village full of african migrants and they WILL rape and there will be no one coming to help you.

You paint all women as crazed feminists but feminists are a small proportion. Even in the USA it's as little as 20% of the female population and in Australia not even 5%!

It should be called BGTOW because you're boys not men. Have fun getting fingerbanged by Ahmed and Mahmud the 6'7" migrant aged care workers.

You disgusting fucks are worse than feminists, the biggest quitters the world has ever seen.

>Thinking laws don't affect how you live your life

Retard detected

When do you think you'll grow tired of video games?

knock her up again when she gives birth to this one and name that second son aragorn

uguu~
Ayu was best girl.

You can't convince me that getting married is the responsible "grown up" thing to do.

That's just ridiculous. You have to be out of your mind to get married these days - if you're a man.

The good goy thing to do is get married. you are then forever cucked by (((the system))).

This guy is sour that he wont be getting any divorce lawyer shekles from me.

I dont play video games and your projection guarantees you are American.
Sad!

It's only the effect, not the cause.

>name the second one aragorn
sounds a bit too gay for me desu

>Literally just a meme. Try actually going to a church. It's all either old ladies or fat, tatted up single moms with mulatto kids. If somehow there actually are attractive, virgin, fertile, young girls in a church then it's because that church is in some small farmer town in the middle of nowhere in Tennesee, and that girl is already taken by some farmer Chad who grew up with her in church since childhood.

In my experience all of the church girls are married when they're in college or straight out of highschool. Literally all of the girls 20-30+ at my church are married, engaged, or have a boyfriend.

Being in a small Arkansas town is shit.

That’s not true. Knowing the variables as a MGTOW you can marry an equal earner (less divorce rape severity), higher earner (less severity, but more probablitiy of divorce), and also make a kids/no-kids decision.

ya, she's a qt, the VN had a pretty amazing background track

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>letting politics/ social trendsget in the way of passing your genes along in a perfect succession for nearly a billion years and gorillion of generations
yes, you are an absolute top goy

Fuck you MGTOW retards are stupid. There has been divorce settlements and alimony for thousands upon thousands of years going back to the start of civilisation.

Why are tradcons so triggered by the MGTOW meme? These are people who will never reproduce anyway because you shaped society to explicitly look down on them. You'd rather push your daughters into the arms of Islam than risk her being with a wagecuck. Stop projecting already.

No - Its (((their))) system.
Marriage gets you cucked to (((their))) system. Good goys get involved in (((their))) system

wtf? i am saying that the problems are on your law. I can only feel sorry for you, because the state tries to fuck you, but you need to change this, not just stop raising families. Would you like if your father had the same thoughts you're having now? you wouldn't been born. What i am saying is: raise a family and make a better world to your kids, change this laws and don't let them suffer what you are suffering now

wtf I love marriage now

>aragorn
>gay
you deserve to die

MGTOW is the only way with modern women. So what to do?

Fuck the sluts, get babies, promise to put a ring on, keep promising, keep fucking then leave.

Don't let your dick get in the way of your boyhood dreams. Marriage is dead.

>in poor and sickness

Kek

Men should go to prison

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It’s ok though because “muh white race”.

Wow that's really interesting Nigel, who would have thought
The divorce rate is also above 50% and the modern (((educated))) career having woman is shit
Not MGTOW but you have to be careful
Also if you marry a woman over 30 kill yourself immediately

>You can't convince me that getting married is the responsible "grown up" thing to do

How much abuse/neglect did you experience as a child to grow up to believe that marriage is a bad thing?

These tradcon larpers are teenage boys. The law is something they hear about from their parents.

Just stop acting like it's something new. The issue is Jewish social engineering through marxism, frankfurt school, feminism, mgtow but not marriage. People were getting married long before Jews were fucking the west over.

Literally, none of my friends have their parents till married. Theres like one guy. All their dads got divorce raped. and the on guys dad is FUCKING miserable

Wrong. Those things were based on Fault. With the new laws even adulterers get alimony and innocent men are made to pay them.

It’s a moral hazard and an entirely new roulette game.

this as well, people ought to look at property and adoption laws in ancient greece to see how marriage was used to shift property along. Same to be said about the roman age, Augustus passed a succession of marriage/family laws (lex julii) meant to essentially economically BTFO the senatorial and equites families. Pretty sure ancient India and China both had complex dowry/divorce laws as well. And in the MENA we have mohamedan laws for certain since 632 and we also know the Hammurabi code had extensive property/marriage regulations despite its age. You gotta be a fucktard to think marriage being drawn up to protect/shift financial assets is a recent development. The only difference is that back then it was a concern for powerful/affluent families, now it affects everyone.

Its only modern divorce laws that make marriage dumb. Marriage was different in the past.

A man getting married these days is basically advertising that hes FUCKING STUPID and thinking with his dick like a neanderthal

Nobody is really MGTOW
I wish women liked me but they don't so if I want to act bitter and oppose anything feminism does I'm going to. Good job on women preemptively denying so many men the one thing that would get them to chill out

Womans company is not pleasant even for a date.

Most women agree that women are FUCKING horrible.

I have only one friend who was raised by a single mother and that is because his father died (was a firefighter)

Just because women don't call themselves feminists doesn't mean they're not feminists. Go ask these women about removing female voting rights and you'll see how right I am.
It completely justifies it, too big of a risk with little to no reward

I married when she was 18 and I was 21. It lasted for 17 years and we had 3 kids. In the final years she was doing education modules that turned her into an SJW and it fucked her mind. Long story short, she fucked up, I changed the locks, got the evidence I needed and took full custody immediately.

I now have 2 daughters who are in long term relationships and engaged and a 13yr old son who I home school through state distance education with a core in programming and other sciences. I've been a full time single father for 6 years now and haven't seriously thought of touching another woman as I do not want to estrange my son. Maybe when he is a few years older I will look for another mate.

Stay mad roastie

I think its fine so long as they go their own way to find themselves and their inner happiness. After they have discovered what they need to know about themselves its only right that they try to build a family.

yeah - the UK is very (((progressive))) when it comes to marriage. You are lucky

lel, yes I am a top goy for having white children, drawing up legalities like wills, prenups, family books so that my assets are passed along to my kids rather thqn the state's (which is exactly what happens when you have no technical heir and no legally binding documents to showcase the line of succession). Oh and I pay less taxes by being married too. Wtf I love being (((their system))) now??

Women are getting brainwashed by (((media))) which is turning them into demanding whores. They can never be happy and its the husbands job to provide more shit for them. They are getting marketed to to pursue material possessions for happiness.

Married men are guaranteed to get fucked over.

BTW they are all right wing and incredibly smart. As a strong father I raised two non-whores for 2 very lucky young men who appreciate what I have done in raising them right.

Probably yeah, at least I passed along my genes though which is more than 90% of this board ever will do

Marriage does not "save you money" you dumbfuck. Inheritance tax will take from your offspring.

Your kids will most likely be brainwashed into serving their (((masters))).

Also, prenups dont count for shit