Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos admitted the Trump adviser had contacts with Russians offering the Trump...

Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos admitted the Trump adviser had contacts with Russians offering the Trump campaign Hillary Clinton’s emails and other “dirt,” and he tried to arrange meetings with Russian officials. That’s pretty much the dictionary definition of “collusion.”

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nationalreview.com/article/453244/manafort-indictment-no-signs-trump-russia-collusion
theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/clinton-foundation-pay-to-play-debate/504803/
politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/may/31/gregg-jarrett/fox-news-hosts-wrong-no-law-forbids-russia-trump-c/
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foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/11/dershowitz-did-donald-trump-jr-commit-crime-or-merely-political-sin-it-depends.html
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Yeah no

I don’t see anything about emails.

Is collusion a crime?

Even if, and no, Collusion is not a crime.

Or cite the law or FEC regulation.

Collusion has no definition because the media hasn't bothered to define it. It's just a scary word meant to make you think that something illegal happened, when in fact nothing illegal, immoral, or even unusual happened.

>Trump says 'no.'
>Collusion obliterated.

Source?

>mfw there's a paper trail between Papadopalol and the DNC

:^)

Manafort was literally charged with "Crimes against the United States". Why are you supporting actual traitors to your country?

The front page of every fucking news site that hasn't used the term "MSM" unironically

>collusion with a foreign government to win a US election is not a crime

I am shitting myself laughing
Whatever y'all have to tell yourselves
Have fun with these midterm elections coming up

>Piss dossier is oppo research l, happens all the time.
> Papanopodick I can get you oppo

Pick one faggot

Lol yeah every presidential campaign lobbies foreign hostiles to commit cyber-espionage, its just a complete conicdence than only trump got caught

Not defending anything because I'm not informed on the subject yet but didn't Hillary take tens of millions from multiple Arab States openly during her election?

Legal oppo done by US firm vs oppo done by illegal hacking at the hands of hostile foreign entities

Wow that was easy

>Is collusion a crime?
no

Sauce or if didn't happen my friend

nationalreview.com/article/453244/manafort-indictment-no-signs-trump-russia-collusion

theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/clinton-foundation-pay-to-play-debate/504803/

She straight up admits it.

She feels it was for the best interest for America.

Hahaha this article does not even mention once papolopolous' dealings AKA the actually collusion by a trump campaign official

Maybe the can do another article with "no one else's dick sucked by lewinski"

Clinton foundation donations before campaign != Clinton campaign donations

But id agree that something that risky is grounds to get President Clinton impeached
Oh wait

...

>illegal hacking at the hands of hostile foreign entities
proofs?

"hey we have information about a candidate that would be relevant to the presidential election of the most powerful country on earth, do you want it?" "no haha that would be illegal i can't talk to people haha"
>this is what libshits believe is supposed to happen

Even without establishing a timeline just for you to defiantly claim your dearth of basic logical capacity, it is undeniable now that papadopolous met with this British professor under the pretense of gaining a trove of Clinton emails held by the Russians
If you somehow choose to believe that someone else got those emails besides the Russians, that’s fine with me

But the accepting of these illegally gathered emails coming from Russia, regardless of how Russia received them, is itself collusion with a hostile foreign state

lol I couldn’t care less about whether it’s the rational thing to do
I know it’s fucking illegal and a lot of trumpkins are going to be spending time behind bars, though

you're going to be very disappointed if you actually believe it's illegal to talk to people from another country

That's a whole lot of posturing and not a lot of proofening

Ah yes what was I thinking I forget all they did was talk
Why would the subject of their discussion ever fucking matter
One sec I’m gonna go conspire with my friends to assassinate the president good thing it’s legal to talk in america

Because I don’t need to assert proof beyond what is already clear
I’m just being a dick because I’m in a good mood
What the fuck do I need to prove at this point?
They have a guilty plea and an agreement to cooperate
It’s o v e r

>“dirt,” and he tried to arrange meetings with Russian officials

Point me to the "collusion" law please. Stop trying to make this guy a story. If getting "dirt" from Russia on your opponent is illegal, Clinton is going to prison. Get better talking points, shills.

Please do tell about which dirt Clinton got from Russia

Talking about and agreeing to committing a specific crime is certainly illegal. Talking to other people who have information about someone else certainly is not. Opposition research is normal in every facet of life, i'm sorry man this just isn't going to pan out the way you want no matter how much you hope.

the piss dossier. I thought that was already clear

What would someone wearing a UN flag know about integrity. I bet you think the CIA is a good agency.

Are you completely uninformed? The dossier came from Russia.

Liberals are horrible at debating, even if you are right (not saying you, I'm speaking generally), you still manage to debate like 13 year olds. It's tremendously frustrating, most people who have seen this thread probably just think, "not worth it".

Here you go; four federal laws broken by foreign governments attempting to sway a US election:

politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/may/31/gregg-jarrett/fox-news-hosts-wrong-no-law-forbids-russia-trump-c/

She got it from a US firm

The information (dirt) therein came from Russia.

>MI6
>Kremlin sources

>Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos
who?

lol yeah that’s right you lib cuck shut the fuck up pussy MAGA
Trump trump trump
You wouldn’t understand my logic you’re a black/woman/JewLooney pathetic sick shit lib pedo homo muslims all of them

You're a special kind of tard. Read the indictment, jackwad. Papadupe was a larping faggot who was catfished by the ruskies and lied about it to the fbi. Lewandowski and Manafort both rebuffed his overtures.

And, btw, Fusion GPS operatives tried the same catfish on Trump Jr. when they set up the meeting with the ruskies lawyer cunt under false pretenses, and then tried to change the subject to Hill dirt in attempt to entrap Jr. Didn't work.

Papadupe was most likely a DNC plant. Check his socialist Greek background and liberal education at DePaul in Chicago.

So it’s the firms fault then, absolutely no implications for the Clinton campaign
They didn’t even name their sources in the dossier; the Clinton would have no idea

Law is about this thing called intent

If it’s what you say it is then I love it

did you even read the article in your link? They only address accepting money from foreign states or working with a foreign state to corrupt an election and couldn't even come up with a legal definition for "collusion". I can sympathize with your frustration man but just let it go, it's going to be a long 7 more years otherwise.

(Paraphrasing) any attempt by a foreign government could certainly be viewed as an expenditure

The point the scholars make is that expenditure legally does not end with monetary expenditure
Think “expenditure of effort”

>but Trump's responsible for some low level staffer who he never talked to, who never got dirt from Russians, and the campaign told him to not even bother soliciting info from Russians.

A 30-year-old underling unsuccessfully tried to make the campaign take some Russian bait.
>The adviser, George Papadopoulos, offered to set up “a meeting between us and the Russian leadership to discuss US-Russia ties under President Trump,” telling them his Russian contacts welcomed the opportunity, according to internal campaign emails read to The Washington Post.
>The proposal sent a ripple of concern through campaign headquarters in Trump Tower. Campaign co-chairman Sam Clovis wrote that he thought NATO allies should be consulted before any plans were made. Another Trump adviser, retired Navy Rear Adm. Charles Kubic, cited legal concerns, including a possible violation of U.S. sanctions against Russia and of the Logan Act, which prohibits U.S. citizens from unauthorized negotiation with foreign governments.
>But Papadopoulos, a campaign volunteer with scant foreign policy experience, persisted. Between March and September, the self-described energy consultant sent at least a half-dozen requests for Trump, as he turned from primary candidate to party nominee, or for members of his team to meet with Russian officials. Among those to express concern about the effort was then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who rejected in May 2016 a proposal from Papadopoulos for Trump to do so.
web.archive.org/web/20171030230507/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-campaign-emails-show-aides-repeated-efforts-to-set-up-russia-meetings/2017/08/14/54d08da6-7dc2-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?utm_term=.a7dd7c2ba1d8
Is the Trump loving Washington Post good enough to shut down shills?

If he’s a part of the trump campaign, then the trump campaign colluded.

C'mon that's a stretch and you know it. His superiors shut him down.

>the trump campaign colluded
again no proofs. nothing happened
Saying Hillary can't be guilty of collusion because she hired a private firm to do it for her is like saying you aren't guilty of bribery because you laundered the money first

I’ll certainly agree that it’s not enough to impeach someone
But I wouldn’t bet a million dollars that this is the full extent of all actions re: Russia and the trump campaign

We’ve already seen much more with kislyak alone
Every indication and expert/insider points to this being an opening shot across the bow

Law is about intent....
Lmao ok. Your shill script is breaking apart. Law is much more based than that and you can commit crimes without mens rea.

That would be true if her campaign knew fusion had Russian informant and Sought them out
But fusion approached them and never revealed any sources
So it’s kore like if you unknowingly roped into a money laundering scheme

Except nothing in your diatribe is illegal. Literally the only way is if they gave something in exchange for foreign entities to be involved with the campaign (meaning pay them).

You know, like Fusion GPS did when they contracted out a foreign former agent to gather stories from Russians. And Clinton hid the payments through a law firm. The FEC is opening an investigation in this, FYI.

Papalapalalapolopolis literally did shady shit the campaigned shut down after telling him to fuck off. This was also reported in August so I’m not sure how it’s more “over” now as they essentially reported the same as the indictment said. They just released the indictment papers today.

Also, he was admitted guilt in the charge of lying to a federal agent, not to collusion or violations of federal election guidelines.

You’re right in that it’s over, but in that this investigation is essentially over. Unless you can provide me statutes that they broke that actually are applicable, but I doubt it will be nothing but “face it drumfies” ad hominem.

I can appreciate the thought exercise but it takes far too much of a leap to accept that broad a definition. Example; If "Russia" bought facebook ads related to the election then facebook itself is obscenely complicit and necessarily has to be charged. What about international news articles? Would any article about the upcoming election published by ANY foreign state media published in America constitute expenditure of effort and make them a hostile actor? There's no judge or jury on the planet that will accept that argument. If money was exchanged hands from a foreign government to an individual(s) to change the outcome of an election I would accept that that is wrong and certainly should be punished. The problem is that isn't even alleged to have happened. Papadoop attempted to meet with some people about opposition research and it didn't even happen. The lying about it is what got him strung out, has nothing to do, in this case, about the content of the info.

>George: hey you guys want me to setup a meeting with my Russian contacts
>Trump campaign: no, fuck off
COLLUSION

He was charged with tax evasion/bank fraud, which falls under the purview of conspiracy against the US, ergo he has a separate count for conspiracy against the US. There's a neat note in the complaint that specifies it specifically relates to tax evasion/bank fraud.

You fucking fag. That is like saying you email some guys about a shitty deal a few times, your boss says dont do that, legal council explains why you cant, and the CEO says stop..... somehow its the CEO colluding. Lmao you shills are fucked

George: he guys check it out I met with this dude in person who said he had access to all these emails
>don jr: cool, let me meet with some other Russians for a totally completely different reason a month later
>trump: hey idk what’s going on I’m not involved but I’m gonna bring up Russian emails a month later in yet another completely unrelated incident

Nice fanfiction, faggot.

>oh look! All these emails leaked! Wow how did that happen

Guess what faggot there are people rotting in fed right now for falling for a money laundering scheme and conspiracy. You dont get to pick and choose intent and actors now that Clinton did the same thing

Fusion GPS didn't reveal their sources by name but they're listed as Russian or even Kremlin agents in the dossier. Hillary and the DNC knew what they were getting into. they knew so well they tried to hide their payments to them. Not to mention on top of that the DNC actually flew a staffer out to Ukraine to try and dig up dirt on Manafort

Whoever was the dumbfuck at top: Fusion GPS is run by foreign nationals (Ukrainians?) and they contracted out to a British spy, living in Britain, to compile the research. None of this is in dispute.

Meanwhile, there is still no evidence muh russia hacked the DNC.

Look would TOTALLY take Clinton being jailed in exchange for trump being impeached and then jailed
Would not lose a second of sleep

Doesn’t matter
They’re a US firm

I guess the dictionary thing is just a shared lefty talking point?

>That’s pretty much the dictionary definition of “collusion.”
there is no statute that establishes a criminal penalty for "collusion." collusion is not a crime. what the fuck are you talking about?

I'm sure you would. But it's a fairy tale and is never going to happen.

And btw collusion is a bs word with no weight. Conspiracy is also loaded to sound scary but just means there are 2+ defendants being charged. Its an easy way to get federal charges up to sound scary to normies and means dick fucking all.

Meanwhile the DNC employed Muslim Brotherhood to run their IT Department

Trump himself did not. That's what you are looking for. A low level guy who came in with Manafort who got fired shortly attempted shady shit. Manafort got fired quick. They got him. Next.

>who?
An unpaid, low-level, volunteer tryhard hoping to win brownie points by setting Trump up with his Russian friends. No one ever took him up on the offer.

foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/11/dershowitz-did-donald-trump-jr-commit-crime-or-merely-political-sin-it-depends.html
>Perhaps mere collusion by a campaign with a foreign government should be made a crime, so as to prevent future contamination of our elections. But it is not currently a crime.

t. Harvard Law professor for 50 years.

given the fact that most of the people in the meeting with Don jr at Trump tower were tied to fusion gps and the rumor that papadapolos (or whatever) was wearing a wire while trying to shill russian info its likely that the entire russian collusion narrative was just the fbi and dnc working together to try and entrap Trump.

>Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos admitted the Trump adviser had contacts with Russians offering the Trump campaign Hillary Clinton’s emails and other “dirt,” and he tried to arrange meetings with Russian officials.

but he was convicted of lying to the FBI. does that mean he didn't collude with the russians? was he LARPING?

Defrauding the country of tax revenue is a crime against the country. It's not what you think.

>Every indication and expert/insider
>Senior CNN DrumpfIsHitler expert confirms Trump is expected to resign by tomorrow morning.

Lol you don’t have to believe me
But it would be better for your health if you aren’t surprised when the next round of indictments comes

>literal nobody knows some Russian guy

>volunteers for Trump campaign

>hey guys wanna meet a Russian and get some dirt on hrc?

>No

COLLUSION

>Unpaid rando says something about "emails", then Trump says something about "emails" months later!

Well I'm convinced. It's not like emails were a major issue in the campaign or anything.

>But it would be better for your health if you aren’t surprised when the next round of indictments comes

Hmm, good advice. If they're as hilarious as this round I might die laughing.

>He was charged with tax evasion/bank fraud, which falls under the purview of conspiracy against the US

No it isnt you retard. Tax evasion falls under tax evasion

while you have that dictionary handy why don't you look up the words fascist, gender and nazi

Manafort was working with the Podestas. Why are you supporting the actual traitors to your country?

You mean the ones Republicans are slated to win handily, have a terrain advantage in (more Dem seats up for grabs), and are also achieving record fundraising highs for while Dems are at record low levels? Yeah, enjoy that.

>y'all

Trying to sound more masculine by imitating Southern speech is a textbook sign of a frightened liberal.

get in here

>>>pol/thread/147283209

>They’re a US firm

Completely irrelevant. Make an argument or move on.

I'm literally a cajun who has been living in Louisiana for over two decades but sure ok dude

so you're claiming Trump has Hillary's emails? fucking retard

>Is collusion a crime?
It is actually. Under election law this constitutes several crimes.

Not always, been in the context of the charges brought here they are you dumbshit.

COUNT ONE
(Conspiracy Against The United States)

knowingly and intentionally conspired to defraud
the United States by impeding, impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful governmental functions of a government agency, namely the Department of Justice and the Department of the Treasury, and to commit offenses against the United States, to wit, the violations of law charged in Counts Three through Six

Wow, I wonder what 3-6 are

COUNTS THREE THROUGH SIX
(Failure To File Reports Of Foreign Bank And Financial Accounts For Calendar Years 2011-2014)

The key word you turds seem to overlook
is TRIED, as in TRIED AND FAILED
There was no fucking collusion you assblasting mongoloid!

these things are difficult for the 13 year old brain to understand. conspiracy against the united states ( allegedly committed 12 years ago) doesn't mean what you think it means. ask your mom's boyfriend to explain it

your retardation has reached levels that shouldn't even be possible. Hillary actually paid russian kgb agents to make up shit about Trump and then used that to conspire to commit sedition. There was no hacking. who told you that?

cite the text of the law or kys

Op is wrong.

BLOWN
THE
FUCK
OUT

*farts*

How about you read the fucking thread

/thread

Trump is done. It's over Trump Fan Boys. read the DoJ report. It's collusion with a foreign adversary. Treason.