Sup Forums? Why don't we tax churches?

Total taxation exemption: $71'000'000'000

Lets go the opposite direction.
Lets not tax anyone.

To tax is to destroy.

Taxing religious organizations is a violation of our 1st Amedment.

Like in Mexico...

That's the ugliest church I've ever seen. Modern architecture was a fucking mistake.

Like Hanna republics!!

Current insane level gibs aren't enough? Need more shekles for our somalis

>$71'000'000'000
Nonsense.

>*To tax is to destroy

*Except for the entirety of known human civilization

Those are some red hot feels you've got there, but taxes have existed in every single civilization that was advanced enough to leave writing behind.

the LDS church makes billions per year, untaxed. their temples are worth millions and are often built on extremely expensive property that doesn't get taxed.

Then they bank roll a super mall in salt lake city that cost hundreds of millions of dollars and have the 'right' to allow certain stores in or out. Yeah fucking right. The tax code for religion needs to be changed for certain.

They should. If they want to use our services (police, EMS, fire) they should have to pay taxes.

Many of the major (non-megachurches) perform a great deal of public charity and fund themselves on a roughly 1:1 ratio if that. Taxing churches and other houses of worship would likely wipe out a lot of the good things many churches do like running soup kitchens and food banks and homeless shelters and the like as they'd have to pay taxes

I bet you believe speech should be taxed as well.

>Taxing religious organizations is a violation of our 1st Amedment.
lmao what? So all the taxes you pay are violations of the first amendment?

Why arent we taxing holocaust museums which spread lies with no facts and are poppping up like starbucks because of that.

Yeah fuck that side of things. I am cool with tax exemption for the church buildings and their orders themselves but the way the LDS wheels and deals in private enterprise like that they should pay taxes on those parts of their operation

You dont get it.
Religious institutions are exempt from taxation because our government has not been given the power to govern religion. This is an expression of the basic principles behind the founding of this country—that is, there is an Authority above the government that has established rights apart from the government, including free speech and freedom of religion.

Taxation is theft. Our country is built on that principle yet modern Americans love taxes so much that they are fine with paying taxes to own something after they already paid taxes on the initial purpose.

I'll be OK with taxing churches when we tax all "non-profits" equally. This won't be a winning proposition for libs. . .

Their rental income is not exempt from income tax.

>my emotional babbling got shut right the fuck down by basic facts, better start hurling strawmen and hope I can deflect

lol

Taxation = Legislative Representation = Church-goers (or the Administration) getting double representation. It also means that the Government is sanctioning which churches are considered legitimate enough to tax (though we do this in other ways today).

Let's also remember that most (if not all) members of the church are taxed, meaning that they would be taxed twice. Churches are not for-profit, so there is little justification to tax them.

Because the courts have stated that if the feds start taxing churches it is in dangerous grounds of violating first ammendment..

I just did not understand the argument or how it applies to the U.S.

>They should. If they want to use our services (police, EMS, fire) they should have to pay taxes.
I promise, no church has ever called police, EMS or fire. People do that and those people do pay taxes.

they're still able to influence business unfairly

life isn't fair. If you had good parents you'd know that by now.

thanks for the advice oppa :^)

Taxing churches thereby will give them a stronger say within government dealings, can’t have it both ways bucko

>Because the courts have stated that if the feds start taxing churches it is in dangerous grounds of violating first ammendment..
The first amendment already gets violated when the government has to choose what a religion is in order to get the tax exempt status.

Why should the government give religion a tax exempt status while forcing the rest of the population to pay up?

Explain

If you make religious establishment pay taxes you have to allow it to run for office. You want a theocracy? Because taxing the churches is how you get a theocracy. How do so many people not understand that? Do they no longer teach kids why we have a separation of church and state?

What are you talking about you moron, people’s money was already taxed, the money accumulated was money voluntarily given by the people.

Holy fuck the fedoras in here, lol

If we tax the church, then we deserve to be destroyed by immigrants

You’re taking people’s money duh, obviously they will have stronger pull or reason to voice opinion then.

But wouldn't your first amendment protect you from that, even your Constitution?

No taxation without representation. Even businesses have considerable influences in government. Tax churches, and they'll have the right to be represented in government. In that case I would support taxing churches.

Well you would break the constitutionality in the first place by taxing a church, it’s merging government and religion, meaning the government could set regulations on the religion and the religion would move into office.

Good luck then, catholics would dominate in voice because they occur the most money.

The government is supposed to be a non-profit origination that collects money (in the form of taxes) from its members to provide social services for its members. It does this on a larger geographical scale.
A church is supposed to be a non-profit organization that collects money (in the form of donations) from its members to provide social services for its members. It does this on a smaller geographical scale.
The reason a church isn't taxed is because it provided the same function as the government, on a more local scale and with better results. Taxing a church is counter-productive to the proper purpose of a government.
Of course how they are supposed to work, isn't how they work in practice today. Churches like that should be taxed.

Who in Gods name would the church ever elect as representative for religion in the United States?

What a strange situation you guys are in; a veritable cash cow is on your soil, but taking money from it violates the very principals your country is founded on. If its done, its monetary gain but it leads the beginning of theocracy.

Catholics would use a cleric member, they have lots of money

May seem like a cash cow, but again, the money was already taxed, money accumulated was voluntarily given. That enforces socialism upon religions

this

Tax exempt status for churches comes with a price...churches cannot endorse political candidates.
The church's tax exempt status (501c3) is the reason liberals were able to take over the country.

In my opinion, the church accepting tax exempt status is equivalent to the Biblical 30 pieces of silver. Selling out Christianity for money.

Lol never a synagogue. At least Christians believe in a God vs the larping Jews.

Let's tax Jews and Scientologists first.

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I like how you think.

You think we cant control God? Hold my beer...

This.

I also enjoy those targeting mormons who give alot to their community vs. the Jews on welfare scams, junk lawsuit scams, first amendment breaking contract scams, etc.

A white non Jew non cucked religion of course is your kikes target.

Get fucked.

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I'm no juden, bro. Its just one of those things that kinda bothered me, non-fedora-wise. There are a lot of really good answers here.

Would you be willing to give examples of Jews or Scientoligsts taken advantage of or outright swindling, even anecdotal?

we should tax protestants

How about anti fa, communism, liberalism, 'sciencism'.

Wanna pay for better roads? Well why settle for small fry billion dollar churches?

Money is Jews religion. Why not tax banks heavily? That's their place of worship and they own 40% of the woods wealth with the monarchies that own land and oil owning 50%.

I think LIBOR was a wonderful religious service that should get a 90% tax on all involved.

For the poor of course. Just like you sold women on working and the income tax right Mosheh?

What's good for the goose means lead by example?

Because churches lobby congress to keep it that way

7 minutes ago

nice

Go look up Jewish city in new york. Nuff said. Now think of the last time Mormon or Catholics had welfare abuse in the same sentence.

who the fuck is "we" leaf ?

Old church institutions generally act as the not for profit charities tgey are supposed to be me evangelical churches on the otherhand are corporate brainwashing propaganda machines.

Because that would mean they get to lobby the government. No taxation without representation, and such.

Christian lobby groups exist tgougg

They do pay the taxes on those parts, but they don't pay the taxes on the land for their houses of worship!

>Church's don't pay 10× our entire economy in taxes every year what do?
Leaf

Jidf sends shills for this all the time. Hollywood and Tech get better tax benefits than churches you dumb kike believers.

Churches by land at open market rates. Not so for synagogues, studios and tech hqs. Even Islam gets better tax benefits than Catholics and Mormons.

If you're white and fighting against Mormons specifically, you are the biggest cucks and race traitors alive.

That church has the only non kike international supply chain capable of food and manufacturing and believes in violent resistance to threats of family and country.

Buncha naive fools.

What fucking idiot logic is this
Convicts pay taxes but can't run

Go look up local land offers by city and state for Amazon warehouses. Or movie tax write-off schemes. Or Jewish abuse of educational tax dollars for exclusive private schools.

It's alright to be white and you dumb fucks better figure out the good guys or are you too stupid to realize all the world wars we're whites Christians forced to kill each other for kikes.

Dumb fucks probably don't know Mormon leadership sided with Hitler against joining the war.

No wars but defense wars. Fuck the kikes and their father Judah who was a murderer.

Why not us? For the most part, the answers have been an American perspective, but Canada has no first amendment to speak of, unless its somewhere on our Charter that leaves religious institutions tax emempt, but that doesn't mean taxation violates our countries foundational principles.

If there would be any province that would balls to walls all over taxation of church institution, my guess would be Quèbec because of decades of church sexual abuse scandals. Knowing them though, they'll just piss it up against the wall

This seems like a weak argument to me
The religious are clearly not above the law, noone could make that argument. Plenty of laws still directly apply to churches and their staff. A church is not its money. To say "being able to tax a church is impossible because that is an unprecedented extension of government authority over them" doesn't make sense at all. It was an arbitrary line to begin with and in today's reality of literally for-profit mega churches and televengalists there is no place for it

No, my dear sweet victim of the American education system, your country was founded upon the principle that taxation without representation is theft. It's a fucking important distinction.

501C3 is corporate status. The church operates at the behest of govt.(promote govt. policy ect.) or loose everything. The churches sold their souls.

ahahahahaha you schmucks actually think tax dollars have as much sway as lobbyists. That's fucking dumb as shit. Tax dollars are basically fucking anonymous. Religious groups already form PACs and lobby for whatever the fuck they want, using that lovely untaxed money they get from tithes and shit. Taxing the religious institutions of this nation would have no effect on that. The only reason it won't happen is because religious money is already flowing through the government getting it to make laws in favor of them already.

>Churches are not for-profit, so there is little justification to tax them.
Some are tho

The churches fucked Quebec over in more ways than just sexual abuse, they were an instrument of control and class warfare for decades. There's a reason all their swear words are almost entirely related to Catholicism and its liturgy

Because the government taxes profits. Churches are considered non-profit

wish we would, maybe they'd fuck off then

I see the jidf and shills are gone. Figure out the good guys brothers. We are at war and it's the most important thing you can do.

Or do you not realize the kikes are war mongering again to avoid accountability for their great evils, to provide a get away distraction, and to leverage their phony fleeing to Israel to justify the greater Israel land grab.

It's like yelling at a priest for giving bread to the homeless while your wife is raped, your daughter is kidnapped, your son is brutally beaten, and your home is robbed blind and torched

Pull your heads out of your asses. Believe or don't believe either fight with the Mormons or watch everything you love die.

The kikes feel they can finish us this time and with all the traitors we have it will be close.

Pastors pay personal income taxes and capital gains etc. So do rabbi's and monks, religion does not exempt individuals. Planned Parenthood not only gets tax exemptions under the same not for profit system churches do, PP alone is dependant on roughly $400,000,000 in tax funding some of that from those religious people.

Emotions and appeals are not arguments. Go back and use God given logic. You want money. Kikes have horded it. Your Queen has horded it. The Chinese are hording it.

Going after Catholics for money is weak. Man up and go for the real targets.

This guy gets it. Robbing the salvation army bell ringer in front of a bank reflects the devolution of our society and where this garbage logic lives.

You religion robbers sound like science mafiosos shaking down local stores for collections while never touching a bank.

Disingenuous.

If only that were entirely true. Then we could be rid of the massive cuck churchs and allow smaller private religious groups to their place.

But no religion stays small and private for long. The more followers, the more influence

have a progressive tax that hits megachurches and synoguges the hardest, while leaving town chapels untouched

So what you're saying is that we should tax not-for-profit organizations. So Red Cross, Boy Scouts, 4-H, the Clinton Foundation should all be taxed?

Tax? Maybe not....

Making their returns and records public knowledge, especially for your last example?

Already a requirement for not for profit exemptions derp derp derp

Go away Canada, you can tax your own churches.

no profits here

This is Fedora tier bullshit logic. Churches get their money from post tax donations from people. Taxing charitable donations would only redirect part of that money back towards the government. You can get the same effect by simply raising taxes full blast.

Simply from a libertarian perspective the problem with the proposal is that it tries to dictate to people where their disposable income goes which is not proper use of taxation power.

So we should also get rid of sales tax then?

Mega churches are the most disgusting shit

so nobody associated with these churches is making any money off this?

And businesses get their money post tax purchases from people, which are then taxed again.

All those people pay taxes.

>it's just a charity bro

He paid/pays taxes on that.

Not quite, the money that is donated to churches gets a pass on being taxes usually counted as a credit and results in a bigger tax return or smaller tax payment. This is not post tax it is untaxed.

Churches pay taxes on ticket sales, book sales, and other regular business activity, including pay roll taxes. They must keep publicly available books at all times to maintain their tax exempt status.

Go away, Burger. Stop funding Israeli terrorism with your taxes

Church and State go well together like water and oil.
Let us not thread that road once again you fucking leaf jew.