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>But the changes would not stop non-residents or non-citizens from buying residential land to build a house on.

Nottough enough but anything that made it harder for he chinks is good

They should also say that anyone caught avoiding the rule by buying by proxy forfeits the house to be auctioned to citizens

Nice finally, snapped up a rural lifestyle property a few years back to build I move over. I don't care if you bring in land tax because I'm not land banking and fuck those that do ;)

>the changes would not stop non-residents or non-citizens from buying residential land to build a house on.

this encourages development, which would increase housing supply further, lowering prices even more

Please support this, we've been cucked hard by foreign investment.
Would like a nice block of land in the south though....

I brought up around Motueka, nice and cozy and green, will be doing permaculture on it and self-sustainability.

>Less chinks and Indians is a bad thing

It's the gas chamber for you, bru

I’m totally okay with that. Fuck chinks for buying everything up. It’s happening here in California. I saw 4 chinks with China passport at social security to apply for social security number. It makes me very angry.

>but the changes would NOT stop non-residents or non-citizens from buying residential land to build a house on

Legislation to prevent them from buying existing houses is a worthless red herring. "hey look we're stopping foreign ownership!! Don't worry about the fine print, look at this headline!"

They can still buy up all the land and continue expanding their fiefdom.

Hopefully at the margins. However, the root of the problem is an artificial land scarcity due to zoning decisions. So I wouldn't expect big changes. In Auckland there aren't many vacant lots in need of a house.

Its fine because this firces them to buy land and build houses which means more construction jobs and more housing supply.

You cant just buy land and do nothing as you get hit with land tax, you will bleed cash and new development land sales come with clauses requiring construction within 6 months of dev approval.

>I'm not land banking
you better be pretty far out of the city boundary then

>ue to zoning decisions.
they have effectively banned all development outside of the rural/urban boundary

Please for the love of God let that happen here too. We are a small island so there is less land to go around but £150,000 for a one bedroom flat is taking the piss.

no paying $1,200,000 for a ex state house is the real joke

I'm a Bong in NZ and I agree with this.
NZ should stay NZ.

So what? Oh great, we get a lot of jobs building houses on land that we will forever be paying rent for under our feudal Chinese lords.

Land should be owned and developed by New Zealanders.

Is it just me or is everyone missing the fucking point and only reading the headline? LAND CAN STILL BE BOUGHT BY FOREIGNERS AND ANY NEW PROPERTY CAN BE OWNED BY THEM.

>I'm a Bong in NZ
>NZ should stay NZ
I agree, get the fuck out you knob gobbling faggot.

Make me, cunt :^)

Billionaires/investors only

Yeah, it doesn't go far enough, but National didn't even do this basic thing. Why the fuck not?

>LAND CAN STILL BE BOUGHT BY FOREIGNERS AND ANY NEW PROPERTY CAN BE OWNED BY THEM.
because no one cares. people want lower prices and rents and it does not matter who owns them

Why the fuck can't Anglos figure out that building UP means you preserve more nature surrounding your cities? Americans are fucking dumb, but at least they can argue that no one knew any better in the 1950's. NZ should have tall, gleaming, COMPACT, cities, surrounded by pristine wilderness, and small weekend cottages. Stop sprawling you fucking gormless faggots.

They need to create space in the market for the doubled refugee quota so Mohammed bin Raypi can bring his fourteen family members over

>everything will be cheaper if you surrender yourselves to China
>t. Zhang

>The fucking socialist party are implementing Nationalistic policies while the National party only implemented globalist policies
This is a weird timeline

New Zealanders have this attachment to the old four-acre section with 3-bedroom house thing. Many of us still view this as the ideal, even when looking in buying in a city where a garden shed would cost a million. People I know who've never lived in apartments think they're horrible tiny things only fit for Asians (they might be right there).

That's because NZ doesn't know how to build proper apartments. Auckland apartments are horrible, they all have that distinct hotel room vibe that should never be present in an apartment.

We still have a lot of untouched wilderness especially in the South Island which is protected by legislation. If chinks and poos are turned away maybe we can still save the country.

good for you little aussies

>apartments suck
So do the suburbs. That's why you don't sprawl, and instead everyone can maintain a small country house for the weekends. That's how Russians can stand to live in commie blocks--they have their family Dacha and a small garden/farm they can hang out at all summer.

Also, apartments suck because they're built mostly for singles, and as temporary starter homes. If zoning prioritized tall, large apartments over suburbs, they would be more spacious, multi-level, and designed to attract larger families.

No. It's the white people who vote to prevent "ugly" skyscrapers that block their precious views of the harbor/mountains. Asians understand that density if efficient. Prissy white people are what keep San Francisco housing prices so night, not Asian speculators.
>muh bay views
is what they always say, and it's the reason 75% of SF is till shitty 2 floor shacks.

bay view is over rated I lived in Toronto for a year and a half and the city view is much better especially at night

>preserve more nature
but the destruction of NZ bush which is then replaced by organized English Trees and Flowers is just another aspect of the white man's ecological colonization

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There's no reason every western middle-class person can't live on pic related. Construction costs per sq meter are much lower for towers than standalone homes. Only super-rich people have any business demanding flat, inefficient uses of space for their primary residences.

You know damn well it's not going to be replaced with English gardens, and posh parks designed by classically trained architects. It's going to be replaced with ugly cookie houses, and strip malls.

this is a brand new suburb mate

>existing houses can't be bought up
>investors will have to build new houses, relieving house market pressure
>these houses will only ever be able to be sold onward to New Zealanders
It's not perfect but it's a lot fucking better than the "la la la we can't hear you" we got from National.

I feel like NZF is going to bring out the best of Labour policy regarding protecting the country's interests while reigning in the bad stuff.

>Sell the land it's built on instead of the property itself to dodge the restriction

Labcucks BTFO yet again.

I've not seen much of Winnie recently. Has the racing portfolio tired him out already? Did he need a holiday? Poor chap.

Yeah, that's fucking retarded. See the northeastern US. That's proof of what long term suburbanization creates. You think this looks so nice a majestic, until your ENTIRE country is a neverending hell-scape of soulless, undifferentiated, pseudo-country simulacra of genuine rural placid life. And when stable families abandon the urban centers, they become petri dishes for minority racial crime, and white leftists. You need families and children to make cities into livable political non-liabilities. Christ, it's like the 20th century never happened in NZ.

Yes goy, the commie blocks. It's the ideal way to live.

hahaha take that you fucking jews!

>meanwhile, in Oslo...

you do realise that NZ and not a blood and soil nation like norway but it is a colony and that means Expansion outwards in all things and that means constant march of civilization. so the bush is soon cleared and then turned into farmland and then it is swallowed up by the city and then the farmers move further out cutting down more bush and the cycle continues.
>And when stable families abandon the urban centers,
but we have never even had urban centres. The story of NZ cities is just constant expansion as the population grows

Ugh why does New Zealand look like the USA?

because architectural styles don't differ that much

I never said it was ideal. The ideal way to live is in the country, with low population densities, and robots to do all manual labor, and medical procedures. We don't live in an ideal world. Who's the utopian now?

So you're admitting that NZers are too stupid and incompetent to make a sustainable long-term development plan for their country.

And Oslo is more dense than NZ cities. Many normal families live in apartments, and single family homes are more modest. McMansions are retarded.

>So you're admitting that NZers are too stupid and incompetent to make a sustainable long-term development plan for their country.

Considering where we've ended up I'd say this is true. I wish things were different.

>So you're admitting that NZers are too stupid and incompetent to make a sustainable long-term development plan for their country.
no because the New Zealand mindset is that of the rugged Individualist and the Protestant Work Ethic where one is not bound by state instead but instead the state is their to help them work their way up

it doesn't really outside of auckland

This. The government will still cuck out.

if people let the Business Roundtable finish their reforms in the 90s then we would not be paying inflated prices for housing and actual development would be able to occur

Please. WASPs have sold the farm everywhere they've ever settled. Maybe you should consider trying something new unless you're cool with ending up exactly like the US, Canada, or South Africa.

>the changes would not stop non-residents or non-citizens from buying residential land to build a house on.

Well, the main problem with foreign investors is that they buy up property in areas with housing shortages because they know that drives up the value of the property they just bought.
If they want to make currently unused space accessible that is less of a problem because they'll actually have to heavily invest into that rather than just sitting back and producing profits via fucking people over.

I would probably still prefer a complete ban of foreign investors in the housing market, but this is a good first move.

The US, Canada and South Africa are large and federal countries where the powers of the government are split up and nothing can occur. but New Zealand is a unitary state where all powers is in the hands of the cabinet and because of this it only has to focus on 1 single goal and that is to allow expansion

Are Aussies considered forigners? I really wanted to move there.

no Jacinda has an exemption for australians

>that is to allow expansion
You don't have unlimited space and with that mindset you'll soon, too soon even, lose your most valuable asset, pristine nature.

Top sheila she is. Time to learn the New Zealand national anthem.

dude, the urban sprawl in that pic is ridiculous. I agree with you and think NZ needs to redefine that way it expands its urban spaces but you arent one to fucking talk.

pic related is oslo skyline with its ~12 semi-tall apartment buildings youre raving about, auckland to follow

but that is just the nature of the beast and of civilization. soon NZ industry will just turn to the pacific islands and onward's for more land

>Asians understand that density if efficient.

>shekels above all else

I'm all for expansion, but expansion upward. This isn't 1950's. We know that the automotive highways system is not the transportation modality of the future. You need intelligent zoning, and high density to allow for good public transportation. Transportation, utilities, and cultural/social access pays dividends in the form of highly affordable middle-class lifestyles. Your current mode of expansion inevitably creates depress exurbs full of atomized drug addict teens.

Auckland has almost twice the population of Oslo.

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That's chink mentality.

That's not the point. It's your largest city vs ours and the scale seems pretty proportionate -- looks like we've got probably even more than twice as much in terms of "building up". Practice what you preach m8, your country isn't building up any more than NZ is.

Fuck your country for being too poor to afford houses.
If China is rich enough to buy all your houses but Americans aren't.... doesn't that mean Communism works and Capitalism doesnt?

>Your current mode of expansion inevitably creates depress exurbs full of atomized drug addict teens.
except it hasn't and Auckland has some of the lowest unemployment rates in the country

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Dense urban centres with high public transport use only work in ethnically homogenous cities or authoritarian countries though.

No its the mentality of why the Anglo built the Empire in the first place

Most of what you posted is commercial space, and has nothing to do with residential density.
Keep expanding and see what happens

What Empire? I don't see any Empire.

>most of what you posted is commercial space
1. prove it
2. prove that the buildings in the Oslo skyline aren't mostly commercial space

Here is Wellington which has a population 1/3 that of Oslo. What's your excuse for not building up then Bjorn? Kill yourself.

Yeah they try and sell this horseshit theory in Australia too. If housing is an investment, and the government supports and encourages the purchasing of housing as an investment. There will never be enough housing, and it will always get more expensive.

>I don't see any Empire.
look at the bank statements of the firms of the City of London

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When is the royal estate bubble finally going to burst ? This shit keeps getting more and more ridiculous.

>prove it
Look at the wiki. Our cities have the same exactly density, but our overall Metro region has more people per square kilometer than Auckland, and we're not expanding out much anymore. You are STILL expanding.

Bring back the chinese exclusion act, Jacinda you cunt

I don't want to wade through all of the non-whites to get to the center of London.

It most likely won't. It's driven by Chinese and they have more and more millionaires which buy up shit in NZ, Australia or Canada. If China implodes someday, that won't stop Chinese from buying shit, quite the opposite, they'll likely buy stuff even more to save as much of their capital as possible. NZ, Australia and Canada are pretty much fucked long term.

>on land that we will forever be paying rent for under our feudal Chinese lords.
what the fuck are you talking about?

>we're not expanding out much anymore
Sauce. Also sauce for where it says Auckland is expanding outward at a faster rate than Oslo.

The Chinese are still able to buy and own land. Do you think they are going to let you live their for free? It's their development, fuckwit.

why would this be a bad thing?
gets rid of chinkroaches and sandniggers whilst continuing to suck them money stacks in.
this is an ideal arragement for migration

yes, like vancouver right? look at all those commieblocks

Having your country sold out from under you for shiny beads is not an ideal arrangement.

they have to pay taxes dumb cunt
who's paying rent to who?

>who is paying rent to who
The New Zealanders living on the land owned by the Chinese you fucking brainlet. You honestly think property taxes are an equalizing factor?

See wiki yet again. Auckland is projected to be 1.93 million by 2031. Oslo is projected to be 832,000 residents by 2040. Auckland is growing slightly faster percentage-wise to Oslo, but I simply don't see new McMansion suburbs anywhere as Oslo continues it's population increases. There are plenty of new condo/apartment style projects, but we don't lay out acres and acres of new subdivisions so middle-class people can have 300 sq m houses with no rail access. It's obscene to expect municipalities to dedicate new electrical, water, and data utilities to sprawling development.

>municipalities to dedicate new electrical, water, and data utilities to sprawling development.
its not up to the state, Developers pay the rates of the property and are thus entitled to the infrastructure

Hence the need for good zoning laws.

>implying "shine beads" and a piece of paper will mean anything in 20 years time

no because otherwise we end up like the stupid zoning laws now where you cannot develop outside of the city boundary and because of that people are now paying 1,200,000 for a house

>mfw those slants DARE to use MONEY to purchase property in an AGREEMENT between the BUYER and SELLER
Fucking chinks, do they have no soul?

>Auckland has new developments everywhere.
We have a handful of developments north and west of the city for reasons completely separate from what you proclaim.
>no rail access
Where do you get your information from?
>It's obscene to expect municipalities to dedicate new electrical, water, and data utilities to sprawling development.
New developments grow around existing infrastructure.

No, they're paying 1,200,000 because the supply is restricted. You can build UP and increase the supply you obtuse fuck. I said this at the beginning of the thread. Up > out. Obviously it's a supply issue. The whole point is you don't have to have an unsustainable, environmentally, and socially destructive development model to increase you housing supply. Do you want to be like Americans who have to drive 2 hours just get out of the suburbs and see some nature?

don't you understand people are allowed to build up but they don't because people don't want to live in apartments

Price and bedrooms?

You're actually the biggest cunt and you've consistently demonstrated very little knowledge about NZ's housing situation or what our communities are actually like. We have enormous natural reserves where it is illegal to build right on our doorstep. Everywhere I've ever lived has been within walking distance to a tramping trail through native bush or a pristine beach and it will always be that way. Why are you even in this thread?