Opticsfags need to stop

Daily reminder that if you shill for optics-faggotry like pic related.

E-celebs have done their damned best to ruin any sort of significance a far right movement can have.

Thought that /r/the_Donald faggotry wasnt enough?

Get a load of the alt righters preaching to everyone that TWP and National Action is bad optics and should be abandoned because they wear "larpy" clothing.

Wearing a stahlhelm will surely ruin our entire movement, but punching right 24/7 is extremely helpful.

It is perhaps the most hypocritical thing when manlet betas like Nathan Damigo, who gain leadership over internet infamy by punching women have the nerve to call out, be it directly or not, individuals like Matthew Heimbach, who spend their lives working for a movement and gain their reputation by speaking instead of beating up women.

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Daily reminder to stop shilling for optics-faggotry*

England not first languag sorrow

If you dress like shit, wearing combat boots, biker clothes, and you're obese, out of shape, you will not attract anyone, people will just call you slobs. Hitler didn't want untermensch in his movement. If you take a look at the Nat socs of back then, they were well dressed, well groomed, and decently fit. People like that.

>you will not attract anyone
I get the argument of being fat and looking retarded is bad, but it is objectively wrong to suggest that TWP is suffering from it.

It gained thousands of members (as in, the ones who pay $200 per annum) after Charlottesville

And people actually see Heimbach as a leader, he is charismatic as well an intellectual, albeit out of shape.

He is much more principled than the faggots at Identity Europa who think they can do anything democratically.

Allsup is right you larper. Most Americans don’t identify with nazism. Is not part of our American identity. Waving nazi flags only slows our movement. Wave the American flag and normie whites will side with us as the Jews force them to choose between Americanism and their Jewish multicultural agenda

Matthew Heimbach and his crew of fat boomers look like shit and anyone who thinks they look cool should be bullycided until they fuck off.

>who spend their lives working for a movement
Why hasn't he achieved a single thing if he has done this all his life?

You are the same person who supported Kasich over Trump because you wanted to appeal more to moderates.
Doubling down on your beliefs is the only thing that will get you anywhere.

Compromising for the system that you yourself claim to hate will only hurt you.

Now stop being a faggot and embrace the one movement since the French Revolution that was respectable

>It gained thousands of members (as in, the ones who pay $200 per annum) after Charlottesville

If I wanted to infiltrate the right and disrupt it I would post like the OP.

The fundamental problem here is that the right does not know clearly what its objectives are. If it did, it would be completely immune to this type of idiotic shilling about differences in strategy.

Duping people to pay you money is not an achievement. What have they achieved politically?

Haha I’m not the one comprising anything. I have accepted my identity as a white American. I am not trying to live some another identity foreign to mine like some mentally ill tranny. You will never be a nazi. Accept it and move on. I am a white American and that will never change.

I am not American, I am caught up in American far right politics. In Europe I hate Generation Identity in the same way I hate Identity Europa over there.

Also

>white american
Typical cultureless mutt

It has only been active since late 2015, when far right politics was nowhere. Using that same logic, what has the libertarian party accomplished? They have no power in the US, is that a reason to quit?

Those "duped" into joining the TWP now provide much funding for the party, which will obviously be re-invested.

Dressing in your LARPy combat outfits haven't worked for OVER 40 FUCKING YEARS. It's time to give it up, and go buy a collard shirt.

>when far right politics was nowhere
If by far right you mean nat soc politics then it's still nowhere. Let me know when an openly Nat Soc candidate who talks about the holohoax gains institutional power in the US.

Unless you are German you clearly have no pride. You hide behind a flag from a lost cause and cling to it like a child clings on to a blanket. It’s pathetic. Kys

yeah but those guys took pics with David Duke, a known ANTI-SEMITIC EVIL NAZI

that's as bad optics as it gets

Not an argument

Heil Mosley

>Doubling down on your beliefs is the only thing that will get you anywhere.
So why are we laughing at the DNC for doubling down their anti-white propaganda?

Hahahaha no wonder. Bongistan is on the fast track. Good luck in that shit hole. It was a beautiful country. You guys don’t have time to waste on waving nazi flags. You need to pull a 180 and fast. Nazism is not English you boot kissing larper.

>It gained thousands of members (as in, the ones who pay $200 per annum) after Charlottesville

[citation needed]
Every organization lost members after Charlottesville because of how much of a clusterfuck it was for us. People didn't want to associate with the movement after what happened.

This is why optics and conduct matter.

because it is effective
they know what they are doing

>changing the subject
Get rid of the Nazi symbols, get rid of the militant style clothing, and get rid of the ugly fat white trash.

the picture is right. cry more on leftypol

>le 56% face

Hey you dopey cunt, perhaps the reason people abandoned National Action in the UK is because it was designated a terrorist organization and banned by the government.

>hurrr why aren't you goys doing things that will land you in jail? I don't get it

You first you dumb faggot. You like to talk about how hardcore you are and how you will never compromise. OK, so go resurrect National Action and go to jail. Leave some kind of dead switch so when you go to jail your computer posts a thread on Sup Forums to prove how you're more badass than everyone else. We will be very impressed.

>"wearing the insignia of a dead political party from over 70 years ago that has more baggage than a jet liner and is associated with one of the most reviled men in history is the best course of action because I'm too lazy to make a new movement with essentially the same ideas and values."

This is why we always fail, you faggots keep defaulting to a dead and tainted movement when making a new one is as easy as making a new logo and name and changing some the wording around. Hitler and his party are dead and buried and trying to revive it is like debilitating a skeleton.

The British media is already branding Gen identity as a far right terrorist org. Their optics arent going to matter

this is true. unfortunately there are some games you don't want to play. admitting to playing them is akin to admitting you've sold out or are trying to project something that isn't 100% you and unique.

but that's life. you have to let go of that meme flag too. German Nationalism is practically gone.

It sounds like you don't believe a political solution is possible in any way. You shouldn't be discussing politics in that case, you should be building a militia.

>Get rid of the Nazi symbols, get rid of the militant style clothing, and get rid of the ugly fat white trash.


That's your whole movement and that's why you continue to lose.

there is no democratic solution, obviously.
if UKIP, AfD and Le Pen can't change shit, obviously Identity Europa and Gen Identity wont do shit either

(((Heimbach))) jewed a bunch of gullible hillbillies out of the money they would have spent on meth and oxy, what a great political leader.

This is the problem with people like you, you don't see the difference between appearance and reality.

Yeah, the media says it's an evil far-right group. Why do you believe the media though? Has the government declared it illegal yet, like they did to National Action because they were retarded LARPers?

The media calling a group bad because it advocates for white people is a FUCKTON different than the media calling a group bad because they wave swastikas and support gas chambers. Get your head out of your ass

Trump was a better choice for moderates, Trump has some liberal policies, Trump is not Hitler.

White identity dragging around fascist symbols are why the Jews are able to rally normies against us.

amazing arguments 56% man

You're a retard who cant see more than 5 ft in front of him a you're actually damaging our interests.

Take off the costume and put away the nazi flag. It's 21st century America and your autism is creating an enormous target on our backs. So much so thats its almost like you're attempting to intentionally sabotage us.

There is a democratic solution, and it's the only solution that will work and not set back the movement another 20 years by making us look like insane thugs, but dumbfucks like you are too lazy and delusional to work at it.

Everyone else: remember to SAGE

Punching right is such a meme, the optics argument needs to be resolved, you're trying to convince a generation of young men to support the Opposing army they've been fighting in every war game/movie for the past 50 years.

It is not whether it is easy or difficult to do. It is about what is right, the Brits, and Burgers, the Russians and the rest of the world was wrong to fight Hitler.

The people who's rally resulted in mass arrests, lawsuits and a death that the right was framed for are lecturing people who's rally went off without a hitch about how to be better activists.

As much as I like Rockwell's speeches, he ultimately failed to get anything done. Its much better to look presentable so that we can attract people and then lead them towards rockwell's speeches

Bad optics bro

>optics dont matter

>be more like the trad carbohydrate party and national "hey this town was bombed by nazis lets unfurl a banner of hilter" action

shut the fuck up gay cunt

this isn't me cherrypicking

this is a typical GI rally

Look at all the beta males and the women on the front lines.

Much worse (((optics))) if you ask me

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>England not first languag sorrow
kys shitskin

Generation Identity is interested in a political solution. If that is one's goal then including women needs to happen.

Notice how Poland managed to maintain their identity and resist shitskin invasion without talking about how great Hitler was and banning all women from political rallies?

Why is it that Nazis are always sub 90 iq regards? Oh yeah, because they're Nazis which are basically racist commies.

Retards*

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WN 1.0 is WN 1.0. Your methods have been tried and failed. Stop making us all look like idiot LARPers. The media doesn't even bother with smearing you.

They are more interested in being edgelords than actually achieving anything. If white identitarinism ever did go mainstream they wouldn't know what to do with themselves, they would probably switch to posting about flat earth just to maintain their sense of normalcy in inhabiting the fringe.

>America has no culture
Kys shill.

>source
Your non arguments

look how gay these faggots are

Or you can just stop pretending to be something that you aren't. You are not a member of the German NSDAP in the 1930s, no matter how much you may wish you were. You aren't. So stop pretending to be. It's dumb and you're dumb for doing it.

It's like the sociopath table from high school.

PRcucks deserve an oven.

JIDF detected. You can try to slander all the WN figures you want, but you're not fooling anyone. Anyone except newfags from T_D see your JIDF bullshit for what it is.

Yeah, no.

I’ll grant people worry too much about it at times. But to pretend it doesn’t matter is fucking idiocy.

How far do you think the left would have made it if they were as blatantly anti white back in the 60s as they are now?

You have to ease normies into this shit.

Frog in slowly warming water

There aren't that many people who disagree. Optics are important. The people who are upset tend to fall into a few camps:
The Skinheads who just want to street fight as an outlet for their aggression, they typically like Pro-Wrestling and putting their life in danger for no good reason
The (((Hollywood Neo-Nazis))) who just want to play dress up for the cameras to be on TV, attention seekers with minimal personal achievements at best
The Entertainment (((Merchants))) who run podcasts that benefit from any attention and try to play to their base audience of beer belly tattooed trailer trash with casual use of racial slurs and shallow reactive commentary

White nationalism 1.0 failed because of their PRcucking, retard.
Their most successful group was the non PRcucked skinheads.

You are to the left-wing historical narrative what satanists are to Christianity. You are only strengthening their narrative.

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Rockwell lived in a time that was 100x more racist than today and he still utterly failed at creating a mass movement in the US, despite being handsome and charismatic.

What fucking chance does a pudgy fuck like Matthew Heimbach have? You retards need to be bullied until you crawl into the sewer you came from.

>skinheads were successful

At what?

What's the problem besides the fat guy on the right?
You'd probably deny Goebbels if he was still alive because he's not a chad.

Almost thought you were legit until this
>the Entertainment (((Merchants))) who run podcasts that benefit from any attention and try to play to their base audience of beer belly tattooed trailer trash with casual use of racial slurs and shallow reactive commentary

Hi leftypol, next time dont use leftyshill buzzwords like reactionary or calling people trailer trash.

Lol what? More like they turned into criminal organizations. If you're talking about guys like David Duke, he was trying to save face while the movement that had coalesced became more and more violent and less and less appealing to the public.

WN failed because everyone was calling each other "feds" and "Controlled opposition" the whole time. Kind of like now.

Would you have rather them spend money on meth and oxy?

>skinheads were successful
bait

Am I the only one that realizes waving nazi flags isn't a good look but also that trying to co-opt civic nationalist symbols will bring civic nationalists and based jews into your movement?

they all looks like total shit.

They had the counterculture, the music, the soldiers. Groups like National Alliance tried to exploit them because they were the natural grassroots white working class reaction meanwhile NA and the KKK were PRcuck losers, trying to play conservative.
PRcucks ALWAYS sabotage the good ones.

BASED Far-Right Centrist

WN 1.0 failed because in the 90s there was no actual threat to white people and the only people involved in those movements were crazy retards

The divide you see now are people who are crazy retards and young people who have no future trying to create a new one. With the latter being labeled "optics fags" because they care about winning

> WilliamPierce is /leftypol/ now
Fuck off faggot
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The American flag is not an inherently civic nationalist symbol. If you attach overtly pro-white and anti-Jewish rhetoric to the American flag you will keep away the non-whites and jews.

>the counterculture
No they didnt.
>the music
No they didnt
>the soldier
No they didnt


None of these things were true. And these people would be crushed by actual punks all the time

>being this mentally kiked
Get to researching the history.

This is a big part of it, yeah.

And David duke failed.
>"WAHHH DA ZIONISTS R REAL RACISTS!! HURRR IM WHITE CIBIL RITES!!!"

Fuck that PRcuck bullshit

Bringing people into the movement is better than pushing them away. The CivNats (like under the Trump election) come our way and le based nonwhites out themselves as tribalists (as we predict they are). Look at T_D now, it's emptied out except for a bunch of boomers.

That shit drives me more insane than anything else.

Sup Forums is supremely guilty of this with the way shill is thrown around constantly

This is a big problem. Purely destructive.

>being this historically illiterate on the movement
Fuck off retard. How much does shariablue pay you?

Weren't you just saying the non PRcucks failed? Why are you quoting a failure like Pierce then?

this is a shill trying to subvert
>oy vey goyim you want BAD OPTICS! BAD! NOT GOOD!
>also destroy the people who spread your narrative! E-celebs are evil! Real celebs are cool!

You're coming around saying that skinheads were successful. That isn't me being deluded, it's you. The average American saw them as stupid thugs no better than ghetto gangsters. Duke's message still carries weight today, while your successful uncucked Aryans are literally in prison.

>punching right
lmao FBI sorry but we're not recruiting for you anymore

>muh shareblue
nice argument retard. The reality is white nationalism was reborn as the alt right and you cant crawl back into activism and pretend you are relevant. You lost and harmed white people with your careless anti social behavior. You are the niggers of our race. And you proved it in shelbyville

You got EVERYONE talking.... about how bad of an event it was. That is impressive

yes any principled far rightist is a subverter because I dont want normie-principled-constitutional-nationalism

Go die shitskin

So the average American saw them as people to fear?
Good.

There's a reason white high school kids are afraid to say nigger.

You haven't named one accomplishment of skinheads, I'm waiting.

FFS, stop whining about punching right on Sup Forums. This is the best place to have an honest discussion.

Show your flag kike

It's possible. Genuinely I don't really care what other groups do as long as they stop trying to force others to do the same thing as them. So if the DailyStormer guys want to do the American Flag thing themselves I say go for it. But I also don't like them trying to force the entire alt right into an explicitly American aesthetic.

I agree which is why I'm not opposed to people like Sargon or the MAGA guys because they expose problems with the left, then it's our job to radicalize them.

Yeah let me know when white people start electing gang members into office and I'll grab my jackboots.

Fuck off CIA.

I did a thousand times already you retarded nigger

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UKIP are a bunch of socialist faggots who want third world immigration, including muslims. They're garbage.