Sup Forums: "Soviet Union was a failed state"

> Sup Forums: "Soviet Union was a failed state"
> Communist: "That's not real communism"
> Sup Forums: "All communist states are like this. Name one communist state that is thriving. I'll wait. Protip: you can't etc.etc...."
> Communist: "How about China"?
>Sup Forums: "Hey, that's not real communism"

Checkmate.

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washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/the-place-where-communists-can-still-dream/2017/10/26/55747cbe-9c98-11e7-b2a7-bc70b6f98089_story.html
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Wait but china is a shithole with no human rights, horrid pollution, and poverty everywhere
So let me guess now it's not real communism?

How about:

"Every country that attempts to implement communism ends up committing genocide against its own people"

>China is true communism
>except when it comes to the millions of deaths. Or the shit that went down in the cultural revolution. Or massive inequality and corruption of the elites. Or the extreme poverty. Or the terrible working conditions of the proletariat communists claim to protect. Or the oppressive nature of its government.

Pic related is apparently what communism is now.

mcdonalds in "commie" land must be one of the biggest victories of capitalism over gommies

China is faschist not commie

continued...

>"but wait, China has McDonalds and shiet!"

>"so what? the US also has social security and shiet!"

checkmate again.

>recommends china
you are deranged

Since when does owning private property that makes you money is communist??

So all it would take for capitalist countries to become communist is just to call themselves that?

So apparently communism isn't worker ownership of the means of production, it's having any government social programs (even though communism is supposed to be stateless) at all.

>"horrid pollution, poverty everywhere"

I think you mean India. 13 of the top 20 most polluted cities in the world are in India. India has the most poor people in the world.

>Muh Beijing pollution

Beijing is the 79th most polluted city in the world.

in the 80s china has opened to free trade, disbanded their state owned enterpises and privtized their farms, also coincidentally at the same time their gdp started to grow

>"Since when does owning private property that makes you money is communist??"

Since having social security makes you capitalist.

So you're saying that the entire world is communist then?

>"Every country that attempts to implement communism ends up committing genocide against its own people"

>"Cuba"
>"Vietnam"

checkmate.

full retard status achieved

If you look at it objectively, China is the most turbo capitalist country on this planet.
Their flag may still be red, but they abandoned communism some time during the 90s in favour of slave wages for manufacturing poison plastic shit for the world.

The collapse of soviet started exactly when Stalin "died". China started very poorly and they had a long period of time where they had to fight drugs and had general poverty. The middle class is starting to grow and the farmers are getting in to cities. I took them long but they'll make it. They made it by themselves unlike amerilards who just print money and force everyone to use it.
China is also extremely nationalistic thanks to the communist party. They keep the western filth out of young Chinese people most of the time.

>>"Cuba"
>>"Vietnam"
WOW ARN'T I SO JELOUS OF LIVING IN THOSE 2 COUNTRIES

>"except when it comes to the millions of deaths. Or the shit that went down in the cultural revolution. Or massive inequality and corruption of the elites. Or the extreme poverty. Or the terrible working conditions of the proletariat communists claim to protect. Or the oppressive nature of its government."

>"extreme poverty"
China has less poverty, per capita, than literally every single capitalist developing country.

>"massive inequality and corruption.."
China is the 6th most unequal country in the world. Capitalist "democracies" Russia, India, indonesia, Thailand, Brazil and more unequal.

>"terrible working conditions"
China's minimum wage increases by double digits every year. India's is stagnant for 10 years.

There has not been one communist country ever though. They've all been state capitalist with the exception of Yugoslavia which I believe was market socialist.

>sees flag

welcome to Sup Forums comrade. How does it feel to have your own flag?

>slave wages
see

Social security can exist in capitalism, wealth-generating private property is the communist's biggest nightmare

one can but dream, comrade

What exactly are you arguing for here? You're just comparing capitalist countries with other capitalist countries, what's the point?

So if the entire world is communist then why are you complaining?

it literally isn't real communism that has made them economically flourish recently, they go so apeshit on capitalism that they have made unions illegal

meanwhile it was sure as shit real communism that made 100 million of them starve to death

>1949-1978: China fails
>That's because of communism

>1978-present: China succeeds
>That's because of capitalism

top kek

Here's the real story senpai:

>China becomes epic successful
>govt. says it is still in the initial stage of socialism
>beats literally every single capitalist developing countr
>responsible for 100% of the world's growth between 2008 and 2016.
>5 times more poverty reduction than rest of world combined
>60% of the world's high speed railway
>world's first quantum communications network
>world leader in renewable energy
>highest standard of living in the developing world
>and so on and so on...

So you're saying that the entire world is communist then. So then why complain?

Of course the Soviet Union was a failed state. The Americans infiltrated and destroyed it flawlessly. Checkmate OP.

China isn't even communist by communist standards because they have private property. Checkmate

China is a state-capitalist country, you fucking imbecile.

I'd love to see commies who think China isnt capitalist talk about deng xiaopeng and his reforms

>brainlets

Yeah dude its a victory for judai- er... i mean capitalism! We totally cant live or function without mcdonalds after all.

see

See

you have to be 18 to post here

Checkmate? China is a disgusting shit hole. Go move there, you fucking retarded autist.

>sparrows are eating our rice
>lets kill sparrows
>turns out sparrows ate another plague
>millions starve

China has thrived the more they have opened their market
It's the opposite of proving communism works, it's proving capitalism does
Plus one child policy, controlled media etc
I'd rather stay in this shithole than move to china

>for judaism
there you go yankee

China has less economic regulations than EU or US, so yeah... It's capitalist economy, while people still suffer under retarded laws, no freedom and poverty that are rooted in Chinas communist one party system.

i dont want nice sotries, talk about which policies made china succesful

heres a link since you commies are too dumb to google yourselves, under economci reforms

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping

the guy literally had to double speak all commies into beleiving capitalism is communism so people would accept his reforms

>"China has thrived the more they have opened their market"

But your market was already open. So why isn't Brazil thriving more?

If being open is the only thing that explains it, why hasn't "being open" worked for Brazil, Russia, India, Indonesia, etc. etc...

checkmate.

china allowing capitalism is what made it successful compared to the other commie regimes

I'm so glad commies are not able to convince normal working class people to support their genocidal and retarded ideology.

feels good knowing that they can only larp and cant go anywhere without being mocked.

>"China has less economic regulations than EU or US"
No

[that was the most polite post in Sup Forums's history - admin]

Sorry, I don't want to have to wait out the waves of starvation and have the government blocking my access to knowledge.

But what made it more successful than other CAPITALIST regimes?

Other countries had allowed "capitalism" for a much longer time, yet, .compared to China, they are pieces of shit.

China is now capitalist. Also sage

Opened market?
They're almost banning uber because muh taxi drivers
Come here and try to open a business
Every single year we get some law forbidding imports because muh local economy
The more open, the better
It's not coincidence
Now go and tell me how great the one child policy and national media is

When Mao Zedong started to implement a socialist society, China was still a extremely backward country. Social interactions between Chinks were still done in a feudalistic way. Economic infrastructure was either non-existent or the same as it was for the last 1000 years.

Many in the chink communist party, especially after the horribly failures by Mao Zedong, saw this. That you couldn't "skip steps" effectively. You couldn't transform a feudal society into a socialist society without first undergoing a capitalist phase.

That is precisely what the chinks are doing. They are using the raw ferocity of capitalist forces to destroy their remaining feudal socialization and to lift people out of poverty and into a more globalized society.

This is not something i'm making up, this is marxist dogma.

I don't know, communism in times of economic hardship make no sense to me. It offers all of these benefits that no one can actually afford, making taxes ridiculously high. Another thing is that in communism the whole point is that everyone is equal, but then when the communistic government is formed there is always a leader with basically all the power.

This happens everytime. I wonder if pol is aware how traditionalist and nationalist many communist governemnts were.

>China has thrived the more they have opened their market
USA thrived more when they were closed. You should stop having your capitacuck dogmatic beliefs and starting to pay attention

In other words, "socialism with Chinese Characteristics", the initial stage of socialism (predicted to last 100 years).

China has not banned uber senpai. Uber couldn't compete in the free market (heh) withj Didi Chuxing and sold out.

It's actually the other way round. US has banned Huawei.

>USA thrived more when they were closed
pffffffffttttttttttt

>"I love revisionist history and have no idea what actually happened during the communist revolutions in those countries"
3/10 got me to reply

So in x years there will be a massive confiscation of the private property currently existing in PRC, right??

>ITT triggered nazis
Face it, America and Europe are irrelevant now. China is the world's leader.

Checkmate your ass. Open market means shit if government controls it.

You do know that communism is an endgoal and not a movement in itself? From the very founding of the soviet union it was recognised that some private property and a mixed economy might be necessary.

"Open market means shit if government controls it."

And yet somehow, China is doing better than literally every single developing country on the planet - capitalist or communist.

checkmate again.

>holocaust denier bitching about historical revisionism

I use to think that China becoming a super power was a meme. Not any longer. China still has some major issues to deal with, but i think it's in a privileged position to snatch hegemony from USA. And i can't wait for it to happen. USA cancerigenous influence is something every nationalist should fight

>"I use to think that China becoming a super power was a meme"

when? when you used to get your news from Sup Forums?

Not true. China is a mixed economy with some socialist and some capitalist elements. In many industries chinese state owned enterprises are by far the biggest.

Ever thought about the cost of unnatural social engineering programs? The forced migration of many millions rapidly to prefab cities? The destruction of culture? Of family? What commies never discuss is what it will take to bring in their Utopia. So many Staples in our society, like family, are tied to property ownership and class Dynamics. They never discuss what would be altered at gunpoint in their society. Or at least if not gunpoint, by severe depredation.

Can't wait desu, long live communism and long live the People's Republic of China

>79th in the world
>still not fit for daily living without breathing filters
uhhhhh we're not the #1 most polluted so uhhh cheggmate cappies xD

It won't be the state to initiate. It will be the Chinese people.

>I brought up the holocaust
>checkmate

I have some light reading for you comrade
youtube.com/watch?v=ccASsjhhgP8

You bring up a good notion there that would definitely apply to a nation like Cuba under Castro, but to Soviet Russia not nearly so much. Your statement would be exaggerated

>sees flag
>responsible for the most carbon emissions in human history
>complains that Beijing is polluted

Basically this businessinsider.com/chinese-debt-risk-to-financial-stability-2017-9

>implying i'm not the child of vietnamese immigrants who escaped the shithole you want to spread
choke on on your wife's dick when you felatiate her tonight and kill yourself. fucking commie scum.

>China is Socialist
>just ignore all the private businesses that look to make a profit at other peoples' expenses

I believe they’ve actually started supporting co-ops. Although nobody actually knows what real communism would be like.

I don't see a problem. Nu-Sup Forums is a Christian board. You fags should be used to being treated like Soviet citizens

>literally believing the jewish meme is this deep
lmao imagine being single

It was from a book i read. It predicted that China would be destroyed from intense internal struggles between the coastal cities and the rural interior. It also predicted that USA would remain the hegemonic power for the next 100 years lol. The book was called geopolitical bla bla bla and it was written by some Friedman.

Kerala state (in India) is ruled by communism since more than 50 years there.

And it's working pretty well. The alternance is between 2 communist party

Fun fact, China only started to prosper again, after decades of failed communist economic policy, when they adapted to the free market

Kinda hard to see the facts from behind that wall of smog xi jingping?

>China has so much poverty that they legitimately lowered the poverty rate to $1.70 a day so they would seem to have less poverty as a whole.

Whew what a champion of the workers.

> Communist faggot: "How about China"?
>Sup Forums: "That's a fucking shithole"

??????????
dont forget that rivers in china turn fucking red from the pollution

read this comrade:

washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/the-place-where-communists-can-still-dream/2017/10/26/55747cbe-9c98-11e7-b2a7-bc70b6f98089_story.html

>Communism is so stupid that it's adherents know it is impossible
Hilarious

ya I would imagine that would happen if you turned your people into robots without human rights

Then why don't you move to china then, if it's the communist utopia you've so dreamed of?

Kim will save us from our capitalist oppressors

any time someone shows up to "challenge" this board which is retarded to begin with, usually by cutting off a sentence because they still think that's creative, there are always numerous posts they don't answer and they just keep posting the roll of pictures they had prepared and they focus on the people who are stupid enough to respond by cursing at them

it demonstrates a lot about how these people operate

yes justin trudeau

no re education camps in vietnam, really?

No - those are world bank figures. By INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS, China lifted 5 times more people out of poverty than rest of world combined.

Wait, how is the USSR a failed state if everyone had everything they needed, it was on 2nd place of highest world GDP, and it only got dissoluted because the US intervention in the election and the rise of nationalism in significant provinces?