Why do Liberals like socialism again?

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because so many liberals are 20 something year old degenerate losers that never made anything of themselves and want everything handed to them for free.

>Laziness
>muh I work 70 hours a week and still live in poverty, but fail to mention they are working 3 jobs at mcdonalds

I really wonder what is the BEST political system?

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Because capitalism is unsustainable. Wealth continually flows to the top. Its not crazy for people to want to receive compensation that is directly tied to their productivity instead of a slave wage, while all of the profit goes to a handful of owners.

You know how little kids are always like "that's not fair" when they don't get their way? These people never grew out of it.

Then they went to college and got indoctrinated by other geriatric babies in to believing in some egalitarian fantasy that's so stupid only people with PhD's could have possibly some up with it.

Because they are incapable of competition thus seek state enforced equality.

> Its not crazy for people to want to receive compensation that is directly tied to their productivity instead of a slave wage

Half the people at my job don't even deserve half of their "slave wage" (which is pretty decent pay, by the way). Meanwhile, I have to cover for their dumb asses because I actually care about my job, and I barely get paid more.

The only reason those idiots get a "living wage" is because our corporate overlords drank the liberal kool-aid and think it's a good idea to hemorrhage money on unproductive workers.

What are you even talking about?

Yes but then what is the BEST political system?

I am not a liberal meaning: i am pro life, do not support the gay agenda, nor the feminist agenda. I believe the family and promotion of Christian values are the basis of a healthy society. Having said all of that, I support socialism as an alternative to capitalism/consumerism. Our society is a reflection of the amorality and crass hedonism that capitalism entails. Our economy is based upon the detestable and forbidden act of usury (i.e. debt). Charity is one of the highest if not the highest Christian virtues. Capitalism is opposed to charity as it pits all against all in a competition for resources. You will know a tree by the fruit it yields. Our capitalist society has yielded degeneracy, mental illness and conflict.

Because useless people need a system that allows useless people to survive.

That's an ad hominem though. Liberals like socialism because they are unwilling to grasp concepts like incentives, risk/reward, and value vs worth. If you don't accept that there is value in risk or that valuable work should be allowed to be incentivised, you follow the proverbial string to no act of "labor" is more valuable than any other and business owners don't have any right to compensation earned through risk.

The best system would be where everyone worked on commission, instead of being paid by the hour you get a percent of whatever profit you generate. For example if you worked at wendys, you would get paid a percent of the profit that was generated during the time you worked.

Why not show the equal unshared curse.
>inb4 not working harder
I have a daughter. How will I become a multimillionaire by age 40?

No unions, wages are stagnant, benefits are shit, unsafe poor working conditions.
>CEO yearly meeting
>We had a great year! We are making more profit this year already!
>Q/A time.
>Managers hog the mic and ask meaningless questions
>"That's all the time we have work hard the rest of the day!"

MUH FREE MARKET TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS!

I don't ming getting taxed more for a basic universal income. The people that should be paying up are these damn globalist corporations. Otherwise their products will be tariffed to collect the tax.

Kek, try that at Hollywood.

>Liberals
Another Kremlin thread to pit cons against libs. Sup Forumstareds fall for them every time. Eventually the West will be demoralized and destabilized, just like Yuri warned us.

Ancap or Miniarchy depending on if we really do need a gov or not.

Because it allows women to have as many bastard children as they'd like and not have to pay for them.

Because they went blindly through an education system that taught them that equality = happiness and freedom.

which one is it then, commision, ancap, miniarchy?

I want to know what is the BEST political system?

There are already jobs like that. They're mostly creative jobs and trades (i.e. most people don't have the skills/talent to do them) or they just plain suck (waiters working for tips).

The whole point of a wage-based job is that you're guaranteed a certain amount of money for your time. That's the incentive to show up in the first place.

In your system, what if Wendy's has a bad day? Giant blizzard or something? So, you showed up to work, ready and able, but no one came in -> no profits -> no money for your time wasted.

Pretty shitty if you ask me.

Commieblocks are actually pretty nice.

Technocracy.

>Eventually the West will be demoralized and destabilized
Wake up idiot, it has been for decades.
>muh cons against libs
Nature sees that only one ideology remains dominant, and the rest either subservient or outright destroyed. Pick one and fight; leftists are not our friends.

Liberals aren't socialists you dumb burger. Both ideologies are shit, but in different ways.

> I don't ming getting taxed more for a basic universal income.

So, you want the gov't to tax you...to fund the income they'll give to you? Why not just skip the extra steps?

UBI might be a good idea, but it should be funded from the profits of state-managed companies and investments. Norway and Alaska fund the government though oil profits, for example, and Alaska give its citizens a pay-out every year.

I kinda agree. I think a fusion of technocracy and Plato's political system would be perfect.

Because they are well off bourgeoise who have never met a poor person in their life and resent their parents.

Full-on neoreactionary patchwork confederation. If you don't like your particular microstate's government services, all you have to do is leave, and find one more to your liking.

pretty much

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Autocracy

They worship satan and have no soul.

I actually agree with this as well. Socialism should be voluntary.

Even acknowledging the existence of commieblocks like that one on pic is depressing

FIRE DEPT, POLICE, MILITARY, LIBRARIES, MUSEUMS, NASA, EPA, POST OFFICE, MEDICARE, SOCIAL SECURITY, NAT'L HIGHWAY SYSTEM, all 100% Democratic Socialist.

We already are a Socialist nation.

dumbass

A benevolent dictatorship gouverned by a constitution.

Wow, what a comeback. I'm destroyed by your superior argument.

do you know what is the BEST argument?

The direction of history shows ever growing empires. Splitting the world into microstates would just result in a megacorporate dictatorship.

Because they’re brainwashed through media, education, and friends and relatives to believe so.

Yes, if you involve yourself with fascist oligarchs, it won't be in America.

They think if they help force it on the unwanting people they'll get comfortable positions of power in the new socialist rule, instead of a stay in the gulag.

What is the BEST thing about America?

We currently live in a megacorporate dictatorship. Prove me wrong.

because misery loves company

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USPS is a self sustaining business

Maybe. The world used to be citystates and loose confederations. States mostly centralized mostly because that was just the easiest thing to do before communication technologies and widespread, cheap travel.

Anyway, we're already heading towards a megacorporate dictatorship under a neoliberal global order. Why not at least try to break that up?

that's a great anecdote buddy, maybe it or you will be useful someday

Because they think they have a miserable life, think everyone else is having an unfairly better life than them, and think it's only right for everyone to be provided for.
Emphasis on think.

Self hatred and bitterness against the rest of the world because they're misfit losers.
Next question.

The only way to beat a global government is with another global government.

Are do you mean by socialism? Liberals support essentially free market capitalism with a welfare state and mild regulations against corporate negative externalities which are usually ignored under the so called free market libertarians.
Socialism is when companies are controlled directly by a state.

I bet you're the type of dipshit that skips work all the time and then whines that your boss won't give you more hours, money, or the days off you want.

>"capitalism" is something that exists

No, it was only ever a strawman that Marxists used to advance their "solution" communism. People with conservative personalities picked up the term "capitalism" because they wanted something respectable, like economics, to argue with people about... But "capitalism" is nothing, only a description of everything that isn't Marxist, in other words communist, enough.

>implying "capitalism" is anything that exists, as if it could be a political system
>implying political science isn't dead and ethnic conflict isn't the only thing relevant that's happening

>"capitalism" exists
No, user. All it ever was was a strawman that Mr Marx used to advance his pet idea of communism.

We don't have to have a single global government to have global order.

Although I suspect you're half right and we're going to end up with a few large-scale regional powers.

The liberals don't think they will be living under socialism. They think they will be the ones running things.

Capitalism is kind of similar to feodalism in a sense that it forms very organically. It’s however still not a law of nature.

That's a stupid argument.

Reminder to disregard all posts from users with troll flags.

Because they're thick, ugly and useless and so need a big government to wipe their arse and drag others into the gutter with them? Just a rough guess based on every "liberal" I've ever met.

I kinda want this as well.

umm sweetie, liberalism is the opposite of socialism

And I bet you're the kind of cuck that works really hard for his company and makes them a shit ton of profit like a good got. Meanwhile the boss and his family live a level of wealth and populace you couldn't even comprehend while never doing a day of work in their lives. And all the while you use your precious hours you're not at work to shill for them. You're the definition of a cuck
As a person that comes from a line of new money small capitalists, even the shittiest worker creates more of value in one day of work than the average capitalist will in their entire lives.

All privatized ... That's not socialism

>all these silly basic bitch explanations
Time for some book reading.

Any political system is determined by it's moral questions. Liberalism, in it's core, has no rational basis for rejection of socialism or communism because all of their presuppositions are exactly the same.

A liberal might say "communism doesn't work", but ultimately he can't find anything wrong with the idea of communism. He will even admit as much. When you say that communists killed 10x (or whatever number you pick) more than Nazis, the untrained liberal will say "but it's not the same because they had good intentions". A smarter liberal will keep quiet, but both view communism as their sensibilities taken to the extreme. What they mean by (paraphrasing) "good intentions" of communists is "my intentions" - "they are materializing my sensibilities in the social sphere".

Liberalism, precisely because it shares it's moral views with communism (instilled in the people themselves), is always becoming more socialistic. Always more government programs, always more diversity, always more internationalism - always more feminine. It can't be any other way. You can't separate theory from practice.

In the end, a smart liberal becomes a communist.

Accumulation of power/money/energy is a feature of every system that is known. No system in history has fixed that.

Look up the Pareto principal:
"20% of the invested input is responsible for 80% of the results obtained."