.308 vs .223/5.56

I've always been a .308 guy...I've got several friends that have half convinced me that .223 is the way to go, simply because you can carry so much more ammo on your person. What say you?

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This seems more like a question for the /k/ommandos.

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>Not CC-ing 17-50BMG
>Not brandishing a 7' long weapon that fires super fast goo at your enemies.

.308 has terrible ballistics past 400 yards.
Just not a military round.

in syria and libya they had both and eventually ran out so they had what was the most plentiful soviet era stock before they got all kinds of fun stuff from chiccoms, cia, russia, iran etc.

7.62x54r, now get out.

Alternatively, grab sks, go inna woods

.308 is to kill .223 is to maim .22 is to injure. All are capable of killing but in say you take a shot in the shoulder, away from major organs, which one is going to hurt like a fucker, which one is going to put you on the ground, and which one is going to make you bleed out in minutes

Also in terms of repeated firing, .223 is way more comfortable to shoot.

... All of them

You're right. That's why .308 is never used in sniper rifles and the .223 always is.

Depends what you are trying to do.

.308 is better suited to slower fire and reaching out farther.

5.56/.223 is better for fast upclose shots and follow up shots. It also does better at punching through steel Incase the deer is hiding behind part of an old steel water tank

7.92x57mm fired from a minty K98k is the only way to dispatch commies.

In a perfect world, I would take a .308. But in our world, I'd take a .223 due to weight, size, avoiding contact if possible, etc.

556 has better penetration characteristics? Are you high? With the tumbling/yawing and how notorious it is for shredding whenever it encounters a hard obstacle? Mud walls, corrugated steel, cars etc. All my oef/oif sgt's knew first hand of these problems.
308= more mass, nearly double the energy to make up for increased diameter=way better pen qualities

I wouldn't even hunt deer with a .223.

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It's a misinformed question.

It's like asking what's better a Ford F-250 Pickup or a Mustang.

.224 (really 5.56) has more general purpose short range practicality. It's hard to argue with that. It's lighter, easier to shoot fast, and you can carry more ammo. At short range, getting hit with a 5.56mm will cause a very bad day. And since it's light and easy to shoot you might get hit by a bunch of them.

.308 (7.62 NATO) is superior at longer ranges, and through barriers, and can be used for large game animals. And is still packaged light enough that it is suitable for CQB (close quarters battle) in a pinch. But you are looking at a gun that is 20% heavier than a 5.56 and the ammo is nearly 3x heavier. And inside 200 yards, the lethality is against a small frame like a human is only marginally better. If you could only ever own one rifle I would say own one of these. Since it does every job (long range, large game hunting or CQB) sort of ok.

That said, if you just want the best gun for RAHOWA get something in 5.56mm that takes standard AR/M16 mags, cuz that's what all your friends will have, and you will do just fine.

Anything below 308 is for faggots. The US military uses 556 cause jews run nato.

6.5 Grendel is a *good intermediate flat round; expensive though

They both have their roles. I have both but for general purposes 5.56 is better. .308 is better for DMR of course especially at ranges 300+ meters.

I've seen a CETME/G3 shoot 3" MOA at 500 meters if everything is in spec.

>t. cowadooty von noguns

lul

Don't forget civies can use HP ammo which improves the 5.56's leathality against soft targets, which in a SHTF/RAHOWA scenario is your most likely target.

>not making the push to popularize 6.8 rem/ 7.62x35 AAC

Idk, I'm pretty sure tula makes some steel cased 6.5

Totally agree. Getting hit with any well designed rifle bullet is not good. And 4.56 does a great job ...

but 7.62 ,,,

5.56 has adequate stopping power and armor penetration capability, you only need higher calibers for specific tasks or to compensate for 2 inches of hard dick!

Not a huge difference in ballistic gel calibrated to human flesh. I think where you will see the difference is through barriers and at long range, where the large bullets have better ballistic coefficients and can maintain their velocity.

I wouldn't want to get shot with a 5.56

>5.56

Depends.

Both are great and plentiful.

I use .308(soviet usually, sometimes my m1a) when hunting hogs

I keep the ar by the bed. In a pinch I would just grab what’s closest. Find what feels most comfortable to you imo.

Not really, 5.56 does not have good enough stopping power, it's a common complaint.

For most soldiers who don't actually kill when they shoot it's a good round since you can carry more of it.

This is why there are designated marksmen now, people who kill are given lethal ammunition and weaponry.

also i assume medium to cqc fights when i make this post,my sight problem makes me fucking terrified of the possibility of a long range engagement
tl;dr cucked by bad eyesight

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Complete nonsense. 5.56's stopping power at ranges under 300 meters is within 90% of .308. Shot placement matters more than caliber, period.

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depends on what you want to do with it and how many people you have with you, .308 is better if you want to be at long range, 5.56 is for when you want more bullets and will be within 300m.

>308 is powerful enough to kill most anywhere hit on the body, but has a far greater accuracy per yard.

300 meters? No probably not. That's about where the 5.56 starts really dropping off. The 75gr Sierras do ok out there, but not many others. I suggest playing around with some ballistics software if you want to get autistic about it. This is a good one: jbmballistics.com/

>Shot placement matters more than caliber, period.
This is true, but caliber is more important when you don't have time for a good shot

>7.62
Don't bother with explanations just look at the pic.

this is why I'm a 7.62x39mm man myself. I'm gonna be operating in the urban areas not the woods with you gaylords.

Yeah because people are always out in the open, they are never trying to hide behind shit that 5.56 doesn't struggle to penetrate and engagements are always under 300 meters.
I've used both, I wildly prefer the .308

270 shortmag... that muzzle velocity

.223 is for girls

t. .308 woman ;)

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i have my eye on a dd5 any other suggestions for a good mid priced 308?

He's right. Although it really depends on what distances you're planning on engaging at.
I know that in Astan Marines and Soldiers were having trouble engaging at a distance because .223 ran out of energy, but at the same time they'd just drop ordnance on them so it really depends.

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>not running the perfect master race middleground between the two, 7.62x39

Carry dat shit all day due to light intermediate caliber.

Shoot dat shit in brush and against cover and still hit the nigga on the other side.

Take any nigga down.

Fuck you need to hit past 200 yards for in SHTF?

2 different rounds for two different applications.

Pen is almost entirely velocity.

Problem in mil. Is using 14.5 barrels and m855. Wwhen using mk262 or mk318 14.5 performance has pen and lethality for much more of its usually used distances. The spr, a 20 plus suppressor, is a nasty killing machine.

OP

Mettc determines the rifle, get both, bonus for ar15 and ar10 for some parts compat. Make sure your killing people ammo is made to do that.

Ewww, it's not the old West there's no LEGITIMATE reason to own a gun anymore.

Most engagements occur at 150 meters or less in modern warfare.

I won't but I might need to hit something behind cinder blocks 100 away

"Modern warfare" also known as bombing innocent people and occupying their cities, shooting at resistance members.

Real warfare occurs in valleys and longer range, because people actually start shooting at you as soon as they see you.

Occupation and war is very different.

I use a G3 because I am not a weakfag

Most people on Sup Forums are city dwellers. The engagements would likely be under 100 meters for them. That said, I can still kill a hog (which is approximately the size of a man) at 200 meters with my AR/5.56. The 30 cals have their place and uses but 5.56 is a better option generally (and if you can only choose one rifle to use this is doubly true), especially for Americans for a variety of reasons the most profound being availability of ammo and price. In an emergency situation you are more likely to be able to get more ammo for 5.56 than any other rifle caliber and you can get 5.56 for 22 cents per bullet.

You just have to consider your use situation.

7.62x51 has terrible ballistics for its size

either bait or a retard

>M855 out of a 14.5" barrel makes me informed on the subject

for human sized targets 5.56 is effective out to 500-600 yards with modern ammunition

>not running the perfect master race middleground between the two, 7.62x39

there is a reason Russia switched to 5.45

>“foot-pounds of energy” is misleading, “stopping power” is a myth, and the “oneshot drop” is a rare possibility dependent more on the statistics of hit placement than weapon and ammunition selection

the US military switched to M855A1 almost a decade ago, it doesn't need to yaw to fragment and out penetrates most 7.62 rounds

see pic, also

5.56 was a round designed based on experience in real war

.224 valkery nigga 5.56 will be a range round

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shut the fuck up you don't know shit XM193 55gr 5.56 goes through level III steel plates but you don't understand any of that so shut the fuck up and stop spreading bullshit

And id rather have 300blk than 308 chances are youl never really shoot over 100 yards

i'd go with the .308. In a squad of guys sending a lot of .223 downrange, it can be very effective. On your own, I'd go for a larger caliber and making the single shot aimed and effective.

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it's good to see pictures like this.
I think 5.56 is far more destructive than we give it credit for.
It's easy to argue minutia and say "well this round penetrated 16 inches instead of 14, and created at 6 in wound channel vs a 5.5 inch wound channel"
but the reality is that any modern full sized rifle cartridge will fuck your shit.