How do I counter the 'le pick yourself up by the bootstraps' argument

how do I counter the 'le pick yourself up by the bootstraps' argument.

it's great on paper, but some people don't have the means

"We live in different times now"

why aren't they picking them selves up by the bootstraps?

>some people don't have the means
you don't have the means to go get a fucking job?

ha! the employers don't have the means to hire a white kid.

you're priced out of your own labour market.

>but some people don't have the means
How so ?

stop talking shit dude

If you can't or won't pick your self up who Will? Your certainly not waiting on God right?

Nothing wrong with wanting to work hard.

Nothing wrong with wanting to be dedicated or motivated.

..but it will only ever get you so far.

If something or someone is looking after you then you should at least learn to recognise what they bring to your life.

And then act accordingly.

..nobody is going to help you up the ladder unless you can do something useful for them..

Its the same when you work for yourself also..

If all you have is a bag of dicks..

Then whos to blame a fker?

Its a very hard world..

If you have competition then its a different world altogether..

Getting a life is hard.

10 years a honda civic.

You HAVE the means. It's called a body and a brain. Go make something out of sticks and mud and sell it. Then use the money to start making things out of wood. Then stone, then metal, rinse repeat!

For the most part, that's kinda true. Work hard and stop being a whiny faggot. Our ancestors had to deal the bubonic plague, world wars, witchhunts, and everything else under the sun but most of us are just lazy, whiny pieces of shit.

fuck off farmer pete

that's not my problem

Have not met god yet..

Although the place is like jet li's the one, at the moment.

we're talking about life, not minecraft you underage faggot
>there are kids running minecraft servers and lets play channels that receive more in donations than you make working 40+ hours a week plus overtime

O-oh...

I know white kids with GEDs pulling 80k a year and investing in real estate at the age of 25. Guy works 70-80 hours a week and lives in 1 room of his house with 5 other guys paying him rent. By the time he’s 30 he’ll own his house and have enough money to coast through life. Working 40 hours a week at a comfy job and living lavish isn’t pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.

Thats some functional iq there..

If i did that my housemates would hustle the sht outta me..

Its good to love ones self.

> some people don't have the means

You really don't understand what picking one's self up by the bootstraps means.

making money is literally the easiest thing in the world. it is 100% about mindset. look for opportunities and you will find them. what skills do you have? what do you like doing?

people make FORTUNES without ever leaving their house. they just see an opportunity and don't rest until they've exploited it. START LOOKING AND BELIEVE IN YOURSELF.

Waaaaah, I want an easy path to be rich and famous too

Picking up yourself by the bootstraps is not an argument, it's an opinion. You can ask proof for it which pretty much every retard will try to answer with anecdotes of some people that made it out of miserable situations. Most of these anecdotes and examples suffer from a heavy selection bias. Anecdotes are not evidence so you can just discard their garbage because it's only an opinion.

Counter example them.
Take a homeless guy how can he pick himself up? Get a job people say, OK pretend you're an employer and a homeless looking guy comes for the interview. This guy is likely ungroomed, perhaps he smells bad, be honest would you hire this guy?
Knowing no one would, how exactly can this guy improve his situation when he can't afford a shower.

some people should then fuck off and kill themselves. not having the means is not an argument for robbing me bling through taxation. if you are unable to provide for yourself/your family you shouldn't be artificially kept alive you fucking burden to society. a condition to getting welfare should be sterilization

poo in loos don't shower and they're stealing everyone's jobs just fine

>Meta on /qa/ only.
Only because we have actual standards compared to call centres in India. Also doesn't change the situation for FUCKING WHITE MALES

then some people don't make it

Society literally holds your hand and guides you through life. You have been educated in public schools, protected by military and poluce, not to mention that massive government intervention maintains the growth trends which are the source for whatever wealth you feel you have obtained on your own. You are dependent on other people. If your parents had followed your bogus ideology they would have aborted you because you represent a financial burden. Thank god autism is relatively rare.

>a bunch of commie propaganda
think for yourself for 2 minutes, retard

The premise of "picked up by the bootstraps" is misleading and misunderstood. Originally it was to highlight how impossible it was to get out of poverty

pick yourself up by the internet straps filled with fucking knowledge

I would like to rip her titties off and eat them

>says i dont think for myself
>posts a fucking meme
You are mentally 14 years old

Ayy she'll be alright ya little bitch

>Thank god autism is relatively rare.
I got some bad news for you user

How retarded do you have to be to compare human sacrifice to taxes?

Are you underage by any chance? Do you even know why people pay taxes in capitalist countries?

1.Get a diploma.
2. Go work at a gas station or some shit. 3. Save and invest.
4. /sig/
5. Use money to find new job that’s slightly better.
6. Rinse and repeat till you find a great job that can support a family.
7. Start farming your own foods
8. Find a white woman who’s not a degenerate.
9. Wife the gril.
10. Get kids.
11. Teach them to fash
12. Profit.

It is not the 1950's anymore, a job will not house and feed a family of 5 and a car.

Go pick up the means by the bootstraps then.

(((autism)))
Goy, it seems that YOU are the problem, not the world. Don't worry, we can (((help)))!

This guy knows what's up

...

I told a dude to buy Bitcoin in 2013. He didn't listen. I am not fucking buying another dumb "oh halp i don't have the means" argument again.

This is the joke..

Iv worked with homeless people.

Its very easy for people to become less fortunate..

But associating and adopting the role of a homeless person is a choice..

Drugs, booze and crime are destroyers of life.

In fact iv seen men who come in upset that they are missing childrens birthdays..

But it takes very little time from when someone gives them a haircut and a shower..

To being covered in sht again.

They are literally bottomless pits that need rehab..

A lot of time and effort to change.

But yeah, always the chance of getting a job if your persistent..

And turn up not demolished on some intoxicant and not remembering the last time you saw the person.

>Fresh out of highschool
>Can't afford college
>Get a stressful as fuck $10 an hour job
>Make 2,000 a month
>taxed at nearly 50% because you are a SINGLE WHITE MALE
>After paying for car, car insurance, health insurance, food etc you have maybe 100 dollars for a months work
>can't afford any real utilities like rent or a mortgage, have to live with mom and dad
>Save for a year and have 2k in your bank account still not nearly enough to pay for schooling
>Stop working and become a NEET because it's better than wage cucking

I'd like a high paying skilled job, I really would but there is no feasible way of doing it without enslaving yourself for the next 10 years of paying off interest.

Watch the documentary Dark Days. When you get down to it, modern life is pretty easy. Food and shelter are plentiful. There are plenty fo opportunities that only require minimal effort. The only difficulty is maintaining perspective. Stop having an existential crisis every time you have to do laundry. Making friends is easy--go to a place or participate in an open activity to make regular and consistent contact with people, then be friendly and interested in what they do and say to become invested in their life. Want to learn something? Check out a book from a library, determine an easy to follow schedule and read the words on the page with patience. If you want to change your life, start small, and you'll be surprised how far it takes you.

You know what I like more than materialistic things? KNOWWWLEDDGE

Army got me the experience I needed, I was a construction engineer and USAR technician, I got out this year and Im not making much more im making 14 an hour but i also have 70% disability from the VA. Ive been saving most of it, finally moved out of mom and dads now i live in a nice apartment full of women (not as luxurious as it sounds theyre fucking disgusting), 5 mins from the beach on a hill overlooking my town. I bought my car off facebook an 07 scion tc with 120k miles for 3500, fuck new cars the dealers and insurance companies rape you anyways. Build your credit thatll make shit alot easier as well, open a credit card buy groceries with it then pay off the credit card.

How is this guy homeless? I've had family problems but I've had friends who have let me crash on their couch till I could find a job. There's also homeless shelters and agencies that will help you find work. If you can't practice proper hygiene and wash your own fucking ass why should anyone believe you will be a good employee or useful to them in any way?

>thinks homeless people will have the courage to ask friends for help
>thinks homeless shelters are always open and not full

life is hard, don't be a pussy. take care of someone else other than yourself today. Now go do it and shut up. you are making me sick.

Homelessness and slavery are necessary aspects of a market economy. Without homelessness rent and housing prices would plummet.

Homeless in the U.S. are almost all mental cases that should be in asylums or extreme drug abuse cases. Almost every one of their sob stories includes a year+ long fall out of regular society where they were given multiple escape routes that they simply ignored. Lot of these people can solve most of their problems simply by walking into the social security administration and getting on disability.

>it's great on paper
Is it? I always thought that it's a shit argument all the way, a stupid meme coming from people who simply cannot understand that there are people who live in a different reality. When someone uses that argument, you know it's time to stop listening.

If anyone is rich, in comparison someone is poor. There will always be poor people, and the American poor have it about as good as you could ask for without paying.

It didnt in the 1950s either. Im not saying that people werent better off in the 50s, they definitely were. But most people back then Bought a house, then a car, THEN started a family. People were better with saving their money back then too. Teen pregnancy wasnt the norm back then like it is now. Boomers and Gen X ruined everything. They threw away the plans for stable living because of "muh free love".

Youre forgetting that credit reporting was nonexistent in the 1950's

If a job won't do it, what do you think will?

Nigger literally anyone can do it. I had a bright future, but fucked it off my Freshman year of college with a felony conviction. Spent 1 year in prison. Spent almost 2 years in a homeless shelter. Worked a shit job and did a whatever I could to advance. Manager recognized that I was smart and capable, promoted me with him (even helped "lose" my background check). Went from 10 bucks 20 per hour, then to 60k salary. Got new job offer shortly after, take it. Now have a solid set of career skills in the insurance/restoration industry; make 100-200k working 3-4 months a year. Married, have a nice house. It for sure can happen, stupid niggers just think it happens overnight. When people whine about that shit, especially niggers, it drives me up a fucking wall.

that meme is so shitty

>$24,000/yr
>Taxed nearly 50%

Your federal tax rate is like 12%. State tax rates cap out at 8% SS is like another 6% Highest sales tax I know of is CA at 7.5%. Don't know where you're coming up with a 50% tax rate without owning a home or making more money.

>Manager recognized that I was smart and capable
your success is because someone happened to give you a chance

>Hahaha faggot, anyone can do it!

>thinks homeless people will have the courage to ask friends for help

No I think they decided to be an asshole that has no friends or family that give a fuck about them or have a mental illness in which case they should be in one of the social healthcare services I pay taxes for.

You really can't there's too many success stories and its too obvious that hard work and talent literally pays off almost all the time. But if your definition of hard work is pulling a double shift at mcdonalds... Well shit then you dont have really high aspirations in the first place and no amount of govt checks or higher mininum wage can make someone not a fucking loser.

Some people are just losers lets all be honest mostve us could be working harder or couldve worked harder in the past but didnt, thats just life so people put in basically no effort never doing more with their life than positions a retard can do, never even trying for higher education or a trade school, never volunteering, never going to the gym etc etc.

You CAN pull yourself up by your bootstraps still in this country in 2017 but you have to fucking do something you cant just rely on the good graces of mininum wage legislation.

Also almost everyone in this country albeit from the absolute poorest people have nonstop in some cases 24/7 access to the internet with boundless knowledge to learn and study. Do you know how much power and potential that is?

People are losers or not as great as they think they are so they come up with bullshit excuses all the time. Either be happy w your situation or actually go out there and bust your ass instead of playing vidya or fucking around on your off time from your dead end part time job.

Fuck man i hate this kind of pessimism self defeatist garbage tbqh. Also even if it wasnt true its not like people are spending back breaking 55 hours at the ole coal mine these days the fact that people can get by doing jobs an actual retarted person can do more than enough makes up for the lack of supposed social mobility.

My wife just got a job as a file reviewer for an insurance company making 1000 bucks a day. She took a licensing course that cost 350 bucks. This is her second insurance job (was CSR), first one to utilize her license. She has no college education. There are literally thousands of opportunities just like this every year (hail storms, hard winters bursting pipes, etc.).

Just get a job in skilled trades nigger. Even an apprenticeship will pay you better than that, and they pay for all your training and everything, all you need is a work ethic, there is absolutely no excuse for you not to do that other than you're a nigger. I've been making $750+ a week since my senior year of highschool, and that was while I was in school 40hrs a week.

I'm going to the best university in the nation for the engineering program I want and I have it all paid for just by having a good work ethic and not being a fucking retard. I still live comfortably too and make some pretty autistic financial decisions. You can readjust how much taxes you have taken out, you should get all of it back anyways.

Then don't have 5 kids before making money? Dumb nigger argument

No, nigger. My success is because I worked hard and took advantage of the opportunity when it presented itself.

Do you play videogames for more than half of the time you're awake?

There are tons of managers out there actually wanting to promote people. Being able to hire, develop, and export good talent to other parts of the business are some of the most valuable parts of being a manager. Every single high-tier manager in major companies keeps a mental tally of their hiring progeny.

Go home, Juan, you're drunk

No, nigger. you said it yourself.
"Massa saw how good I was gave me a chance tuh prove muself!!!"

I hate the retarded boomer success story argument but if you're gonna pull it, get it right

There are less jobs than there are people, especially in bad economies.

Fucking retard.

Not a Boomer idiot, I'm 34. This kind of mentality is why you made 20k last year and I made 200k. Your right, someone gave me a shot, but it's because I went above and beyond to get it. There's not some fucking job lottery for felons that magically elevates you in life.

"good talent" in current year consists more and more of having a cunt and being a nigger
But I'm not saying solid managers don't exist, just that if they're the ones that lifted you, that's not picking yourself up by the bootstraps.

If it is a boomer, you can point out how they let the country become a debt filled socialist death spiral. They let Pedowood be our moral compass rather than god. They let the borders open to bring in browns that vote socialist. Just know that it is not your fault. And embrace the decline like the rest of us

This. I used to have your mindset. I was all leftist blaming everyone else for my situation.
>muh single mom
>No one will help me out
>Other people have too much

Know what I did? Quit playing video games and went back to school. Got my degree and now my wife and I combined make 100k a year. 4 years ago I was smoking pot all day and walking places. It's 100% achievable. Quit waiting for someone else to pull you up by your straps and pull yourself up.

The lottery is life itself

Don't have the means to get a job, work hard, save what you can, and make worthwhile investments, and good financial decisions? That's lacking the means of IQ. I feel bad for them but at the end of the day they have only themselves to blame.

I make less than 30k a year and I'm sending my wife to school, saving to buy a house, own 2 cars, starting a small business, and live downtown in a city of about 250k people. What's your excuse?

straight from kikebook, with oddly similar wording

I didn't hit the Powerball, but I got a solid scratch off. The point is, everyone can make their own opportunities. You just need to know how to seize it when the time comes and work it for everything it's worth.

>I made 200k. Your right, someone

Then factor in diversity quotas and tax cuts for employers who hire minorities.

that dude in the picture is a fraud btw he doesn't have all the money & possessions that he claims to have

It's not even the same job. I am a commission based salesman for a roofing company. 70% of my business comes from referrals. I literally make my own opportunities, and my income actually has no ceiling as it is tied directly to my sales.

I started a house cleaning business in college with the cleaning supplies under my sink and flyers I made at the library. I went, on foot, to all the local shops and supermarkets, gyms and daycares and guerilla advertised. Vistaprint will also give you 250 custom business cards for $7, I would hand them to everyone i had a conversation with. The first month I made a few thousand dollars, cash. From this simple handful of gestures and efforts I grew a business capable of undercutting corporate services like Merrymaids to the extent of them offering to buy my business so they didn't have to compete.

I agreed to their terms and with this money I opened my bottle shop. I make, on a very slow month $20,000+ profit doing essentially nothing but preying upon the addictions of others, and the fact college kids LOVE to drink. I've had so much success in my career that giveaways on Sup Forums used to be a weekly thing. Mostly on /ck/ but I've posted a few riddle based giveaways on Sup Forums and Sup Forums before as well. Over the years I've given away $10,000+ on Sup Forums.

If you're intelligent, you'll always find a way to provide for yourself.

TLDR, stupid lazy people are perpetually poor, the intelligent never go without.

It's still the retarded boomer success story. Nobody's saying it can't happen, you're just dismissing every other factor besides your hard work.
>it's because I went above and beyond to get it
and happened to have a manager offering it to you in the first place.
and happened to live in a society that wasn't overrun with spics and libshits

Hell, it was even more of a lottery for you if you were a felon.

Tell the middle class boomer who told you that his generation and their kids shouldn't have preferred cheap brown labor instead of hiring their own countrymen

You're based in NY aren't you? You've posted here before.

If he's not leasing those cars he's an idiot
In 5 years it'll be out of style. Might as well have bought himself a delorean

I don't even bother pirating them anymore, PC's not good enough to run them. Being a poorfag helped me out with that I guess, huh?

btw i think this post is riddled with egregious leaps of logic, strawmen and a generally undeserved supercilious and didactic tone that reminds me of silicon valley newspeak ("decentralize your emotional needs" for instance sounds like fucking zuckerberg giving a talk about how to maximize your happiness and productivity quotients. i took a screenshot because op's thread reminded me of this drivel

Sure am. Life is good.

Actually now that I'm shitposting if anyone in the Hudson Valley of NY is looking for PT weekend work I need a new stocker/counter person. $100 a day, cash. Saturday and Sunday only. Maybe some Fridays if needed.

I'm not dismissing the fact that there was luck involved, but I was ready to size the opportunity when it presented. I was broke as fuck for a long time. Had no car, no money, no prospects in life. One day I realized I could sit around feeling sorry for myself or do something about it. So I did. I had to get my retarded buddy a job so I could get to work. My credit was fucked, so I had to rebuild that by getting a shitty buy here pay here car and paying it off. I absolutely did work in an area filled with spics and niggers, they were most of the other employees (worked for a company that provided concessions for major sports/music venues).

You don't have to counter the meme at all, the idea that it's even possible is a complete misnomer and the phrase has been co-opted by people who don't understand it.

It literally suggests that it's difficult to impossible for somebody to rise up out of mediocrity and become a success on their own.

Just put on a fuckin' pair of boots and try to pull yourself up to a standing position by the straps. It doesn't work.

>$10 / hr
>Taxed at 50%
Lying nigger detected. $10 / hr is unskilled entry level position. It's meant to be temporary. Work a job where you can improve. Fuck landscaping pays more than that once you get experience. Construction will get you up to $16/ hr once you put your time in. Near me theres a lot of industry and warehouses that start around $15 or $16 an hour and after a year you're making $20/hr. I've got friends who stayed in the warehouse for the last 5 years and they are making $25/hr with opportunity for overtime, and insurance / retirement plan. Work is work. Stop being a lazy fuck, if you want a good life you have to earn it.

It does work..

It takes a lot of effort, it’s not easy or a flash in the pan. You have to come up with an idea, draw up a rough plan listing a goal or two. That will give you a general direction. Start small and keep it simple. As you grow, adjust, “trim”.. keep going. If you get lazy, you won’t make it.. you’re rowing the boat.. once you reach a comfortable spot, add a second idea.. grow that. Look at it as money farming.

The best counter to the bootstraps argument is killing yourself

>One day I realized I could sit around feeling sorry for myself or do something about it.
You see how stuff like that means your story doesn't translate to "literally everyone can do it", right?
What would've happened if you hadn't had that realization? If you were distracted enough by dumb shit that the self-pity never kicked in to begin with?
Or if it kicked in but by that point you were convinced that doing something about it wasn't worth the effort?

You realize that all of those people could continue looking for better jobs, but arent doing it right?

desu white people trying to be responsible and have their lives intact before reproducing is why they are being vastly out-bred by brownskins

go to school, college, land a stable career position THEN start dating with the intent of marriage and maybe they'll have a child in their low 30's if they're lucky
many niggers already have 3 children by the time they hit 20