Private helthcare pays for bills

>private helthcare pays for bills

Sounds like a Burger problem to me.

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>semiprivate room 72k
Holy shit!

Yeah our private healthcare companies are total garbage.

wow dats expensive

instead of considering what made it so expensive and figuring out how to change it

we should just tax everyone in the country heavily and continue paying the exorbitant costs

also we should import millions and millions of 3rd world immigrants who will explode the costs even further while paying no taxes

hell yea dude

(((Cedars-Sinai)))

We already pay pretty high taxes like 40%. So noo to higher our taxes. Slash our military budget, our foreign aid, stop paying health care for fucking iraq anf Afghanistan and use that money to provide good health care for us the americans

>800 burgers for an ECG

LMAO. You are insane.

wait $36,000 for an MRI? just one?

that shit's like $500

what the fuck is this scam?

They can inflate prices because there is no laws that stop them

From the Sup Forums manifesto:
>Health Care
>People need to take responsibility for their own health. Health care conditions that an individual is determined not to be responsible for (“pre-existing conditions”) should be covered by a minimal national health insurance fund. All other conditions are the responsibility of the individual, with private insurance being optional.

0.00 pymt recieved from the insurance. so this is the inital statement. whats the bill post UHC processes the claim?

>live in Commiefornia
>wonder why everything is expensive
I had a full body MRI and it only cost me 2k dollars.
It was the state of the art new ones where they can see nerve endings it's so powerful.

>171k discount.

No problems here

Ahhh yes we are responsible for

>hurr durr commiefornia

it's republicucks that keep our health care system in the dark ages.

...

>We already pay pretty high taxes like 40%.
At least as big as ours but shit health-insurance.
Great.

Alas I see now, going for the most injured high score was better than trying to beat Breivik for the most kills.

Those doctors must've been on cloud 9 when they heard news of the shooting.

heh,
one week in hospital...
EKG, EEG, CT with contrast, ultrasound, holter monitoring, intravenous, blood tests, urine tests

>0$

the beauty is that the insurance company NEVER pays the full amount listed on the invoice (not sure it's called that in medical field), yet if you don't have insurance, you're expected to pay EVERY SINGLE DIME

there is this joke (more or less like that):
a man had an serious accident and ended up in a hospital. the wife walks nervously in the waiting room and soon the doctor shows up
"your husband will live but we need to make a series of very complicated operations that require a specialist from Switzerland. very expensive"
the wife loudly and nods
"then he will need to go through few months of rehabilitation that require a non stop assistance of a nurse and a rent of expensive life-supporting equipment. also very expensive"
the wife turns pale but nods
"oh, and he will need to take a set of specialistic meds for the rest of his life. all very expensive"
the wife looks at the floor, completely devastated. suddenly the doctor bursts in laugh and pats her back
"just kidding! he's dead!"

>the wife loudly and nods
gulps loudly*

>All other conditions are the responsibility of the individual, with private insurance being optional.
Moronic.

why make claims you know are wrong?

>Yep, a system where the insurer can nit-pick in order not to pay is the best healthcare system in the world.

>1 person pays a 100k bill
or
>300 million people chip in to a 100k bill (30 cents a person)

I wonder which one would be better for the individuals....

my private healthcare does pay for bills. additionally it's illegal for jewish doctors to pull fantasy bills out of their hairy arses.

.30 cents x population

Medical bills are constructed by black magic.

My wife has had two kids and I still don't know what the bill would be if I could pay cash.

The medical and insurance providers literally make up numbers and pass them to each other.

There's also the fact that bills would go down considerably in a single player or hybrid system. A huge chunk of healthcare costs in the US is basically wasted on marketing.

yeah but americans are fatter and shoot eachother more than other countries

maybe you should get better insurance poorfag

What people don't get is the tax and healthcare fees that other countries pay would surpass even this total amount in less than 10 years. With a family and making right under $100k now I pay like 15% or so. Looking into Canada I found I would be paying about 40% + healthcare fees I believe, depending on the area. Would you rather pay ~30% of your income yearly for something you may never use or save the extra money in retirement accounts?

Well shit, there you go, we found the reason why the guy shot up the crowd. He was either paid by the Medical Mechanica, or has a relative in the area working as a doctor or surgeon.

you gotta play the game mister, the less you make, the more you keep. I pay zero in healthcare.

I pay like $60 a month for healthcare for a family of 5 and I believe my taxes are going to get even lower here soon.

>for something you may never use
you don't know the day and hour
besides the older you are, the higher the chance

lol nigger problems

Income tax
Property tax
Sales tax

It's like 60%

i pay zero

The point is people need to be saving money and I just showed that in my situation it would have been about 30% more per year. Do you even understand something simple like that? I'm not their financial planner. It's not my job to pay even more money than 15% of income for fucking retarded people and account managers in government that skim off the top. Again, you should be saving money..... Stop bringing feelings into it like "you don't know when" etc. Yeah you don't, thats why you save money you fuckwad. I know how to handle money better than the retarded fucking government.

No. Croney bullshit and rigged system with big pharma equals FLEECING people for bullshit costs.

Free market sorts itself out. Let people who want to buy insurance buy it. If not, you may not be able to afford super high healthcare costs and they will be forced to make their prices affordable or people will stop using them.

We have too many lazy spics and niggers who want all the gibs but don't work. I'm not paying for these dumbfucks diabetes medicine.

And what % tax do you pay on what income level?

.30 cents x population x frequency of 100k medical bills

don't get me wrong, its still way too much in taxes

They are literally commie Marxists coming for the working man and family from all angles.

yeah. and then came hurricane and you lost everything and got injured or similar shit like that. and all your saved money goes poof, into the pockets of people who don't give a shit if you die of hunger on the street

nine i think

Yeah, 30 cents every time some homeless nigger goes to the hospital adds up fast just in the course of a day.

Maybe instead of the populace paying exorbitant fees for the actual medicare, we lower the cost of the fucking medical care. 72000 for a room is nuts no matter how long you're there. 11 thousand for drugs? They used 11 thousand in disposable surgical supplies? 31 thousand for anestesia? Come on.

The average minimum income tax across Europe is around 20%. With some countries having a personal allowance margin on lower incomes (meaning that you don't pay anything).

Fuck it, I'm a healthcare admin.

We sometimes make numbers up to put into the chargemaster.

Your response is worthless without income level. This pic shows I would be paying 45% so

A. you are a poor piece of shit and you are misleading people and
B. My point is proven, I would pay 30% more income tax and probably even more with other unknown taxes I don't know about.

$60 a month for me literally equals about .07% you giant retard.

>lower the price, faggots!
vs
>feel free to not use our hospital

wait mister 9% doesn't include the healthcare tax. I pay zero in healthcare tax, the nine percent is for stuff like you know welfare and

And youll forever stay in one income bracket to continue that. How does it feel to be a slave and fail at gaining independence at the same time?

you're fart

Is there a language barrier here? Do you not understand a simple question? Your income tax is higher is my point, why is your income tax higher? Because you have different socialized programs. Just because there isn't a separate healthcare tax doesn't mean you're not paying for it how is that so hard to understand? I'm out, you guys are literally retarded.

He saved pays for his insurance. If he lives in a hurricane zone, better pay for insurance on your valuables for that too. The masses shouldnt not have to pay for the unaccounted risks other people take. What is so hard to grasp for you here?

I mean, that's cool when you have a choice. There's plenty of low cost clinics that do well enough in a free market. That medical bill looks like a "get this surgery or die" deal though. And you certainly don't get the choice to "feel free to not use our overpriced hospital" when you're carried to the nearest one by ambulance because shit happened and you need treatment right fucking now. Pharma and medical industries absolutely should be investigated for price gouging.

my income tax is nine percent, that's lower. My healthcare tax is zero

Insurance works better if more people pay into it.

Only you got a fragmented system that incentivizes hospitals to up the costs.

and how much does that wonderful insurance cover? because shit like this
happens even in my country (tho not to such retarded scale)
>unaccounted risks other people take
>people take
like a fucking broken record
this
>What is so hard to grasp for you here?
goes back at you

Lol guys to be honest private healthcare is better
>be danish
>be grandfather
>go to doctor for health thing with prostate
>get told your probably just old from 'doctor'
>die from cancer

>Be me
>injure shoulder, feel pain and unstableness in joint
>go to 'doctor', get MRI
>nah ur fine nothing wrong with you
>still pain in 'fine' shoulder to this day

>be my father
>yeah This mole wasn't here a few weeks ago can you schedule a check for cancer?
>nah its fine just a mole
>gets cancer from the mole (lived)

>be average child in school (or person younger than 18
>free dentist and services until 18
>have crooked teeth and malocclusions
>dentist asks dumb 8 year-old if he feels pain
>'no'
>lol okay you're fine then see you next year remember to breathe through your mouth!

>be me very young
>get in accudent have to get stitched in face (bad but not extremely bad)
>best stitching doctor in hospital doesn't want to stitch me up because she 'doesn't want to' (my father told me she said this)
>stands by and looks while random male doctor who walked by did it
>now have less than pretty scar on face due to crude stitches

The fact is that they have no fucking insentive when they get paid by the state regardless, yeah it's better than nothing for poor people who can't afford private healthcare but government health workers/doctors are so fucking worthless and retarded you can literally google your symptoms and treat yourself better. Like the dentists they also refrain from giving children the dental care they, why? You'd think it's because they save money but it's not their money so who cares, they don't want to help people because they are too lazy and they have a public education and they get paid the same regardless of how many people they help

And you can incentivise people to pay into it without the use of taxation. However, solving this is only part of the larger issue.

I once saw a bill for a police mandated rape kit for an investigation, in 2013, that cost $10k after insurance 'paid' the bill. Wonder what it costs now...

>There's plenty of low cost clinics that do well enough in a free market
okay but don't forget about the meds. try to convince a med company to lower their prices

>almost die
>nearly 300k hospital bill
>they waive half of it
>still complain

private healthcare paid for 171k of that bill

This....

US could cut down Military Budget by 1/3, stop giving free hand outs to shit countries, and make Europe pay their fair share in defending their nations...

And the US could still have the best army

According to the income tax rate chart for your area you are a poor person. Therefore you have no point whatsoever and are retarded.

you don't know where i live

>Inflate prices by 50%
>Give 50% discount

Pay up bitch

>72 grand for a SEMI-private room
free market lel

>being so cucked that you would put up with someone trying to murder you as long as the government pays for it

This is the problem. People are just too fucking stupid.

You wouldn’t be requiring health insurance if the false flag didn’t fuck your shit up in the first place.

And you still haven't said your approximate income you dumbass. I'm going off of your flag.

Competition would do this. Most prescription drugs are $4 from walmart. Meds are cheap as fuck to produce. There's a monopoly on specific ones though. Europe forces those companies to lower costs, but that inflates prices in America because we then have to be the only ones bringing the company a massive profit.

Literally paying a Jew premium.

Happier paying a Jew to not pay out rather than pay a little more in tax

why do you want to know

If you get taxed 40% you obviously make a lot of money and you dont need all that. Youve madr your money off the work of others and now they need your help

>signing up for healthcare without an OOP max
>going out of network to Jew hospitals

I would have spent 30k on my surgery this year, but I spent 5000 on premiums and deductible and they paid the rest

Only retards would go without healthcare or go out of network

you're forgetting the patents

Idiot, why is the bill fucking 100k in the first place

>pole logic

Becasue you Jew premium needs to increase. Oy vey!! Increase those health costs vey

>create wonderful chemical compound that saves lives
>make it 100% private and put an astronomical price on it. people in need WILL pay anyway
>destroy anyone who tries to produce it
sounds familiar?

>tfw a commie-socialist has no idea about tax laws and wants what little spending money you have left.

>spend hundreds of millions in pharmaceutical research
>paying he worlds most intelligent scientists to research compounds and their effect on the human body
>running hundreds of time consuming trials
>spending millions on production
>”STOP YOU CRIMINALS, YOU CANT CHARGE MONEY FOR THAT!!!”

If it were free, it wouldn’t exist

what if more than one person gets a 100k bill

sixty cents then ninety cents...

>have surgery this year and hit out of pocket max of $6k
>insurance company refunds me 3k for no reason after I pay it all
>they never fixed it

There are oop maximums and even per visit maximums in plans that people should be checking. Also forcing people to pay more when the base level issues aren't fixed is beyond retarded. How is that so hard to understand? Democracy is a fucking joke.
Your minimum tax rates are 19% according to chart if you are from Slovakia. I don't care anymore you make no sense and you are trying to call for marxist shit in a country that you have nothing to do with.

well I can go back to Catalonia if it makes you feel better.

or you could just admit you're a fucking shit detective lmao

>>spend hundreds of millions in pharmaceutical research
or spend less than a million, then smuggle random pills to India and monitor which of the test subjects will not die
>>paying he worlds most intelligent scientists to research compounds and their effect on the human body
>>running hundreds of time consuming trials
or get cheap scientists that will do some shit, and keep testing on animals, then people of India
>”STOP YOU CRIMINALS, YOU CANT CHARGE MONEY FOR THAT!!!”
>so what if we charge 500$ per pill and you have to take it 3 times a day for a few years?! we save your life, it's completely humanitarian to do this!
if it was ever free, it's privatized by now

>coming from a poor person who can't answer a simple question or understand basic facts
Good baiting made me respond

1. Flesh mechanics and their assistants want new cars and have to pay union dues and lawsuit costs
2. Commies and Socialists want you to gimme dats

I went to a nice facility in Ft. Lauderdale and paid $80 out of pocket for an MRI on my back. No insurance. Hospitals do this because if they can offer "discounts" to insurance providers, they can over charge on the discounted rate. They do this because they have to recoup the costs of walk in ER visits that don't pay the bill. Clinics and medical facilities that charge flat rates for services and collect payment up front have lower overhead and no collection expenses.

>oh no I lost
>time to scream about how it was just bait

lmao no mister I really just pay zero in healthcare tax

Why are healthcare costs so fucking huge?
72k for a room sounds like a bill for a 5-star hotel in Dubai.
31k for some guy who just injects roofies.
like, how jewish can this be

Because we subsidize it to be that high. So if you want lower prices you either have no go full single payer or abolish medicare/medicaid and kick out the illegals. The later would produce a short period of hard times until people start buying insurance but these are your options.

>single payer while having huge amounts of niggers and spics
see pic