Do Atheist actually believe this?

Do Atheist actually believe this?

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>I don't understand something, therefore my specific god is tots real

There are Christians who believe this.

You didn't even answer my question. lol

Every action in our universe has an equal and opposite reaction. What if there's still nothing?

Why do you people even exist? you don't even bother to try an answer my question, stop breathing my oxygen.

Well.. there is obviously something.. you and i exist on some sorta scale.. no matter how insignificant that may be.

What you said is the equivalent of saying..

>Well we might already be dead, how do you know we aren't?

Huh... because we aren't dead yet?..

In the beginning there was god...and then god made something.

Do theists actually believe this?

Atheists don't believe anything, OP. They have no respect for faith. Whenever they do, they are simply theists attempting to con you.

I mean.. believing in something that has always existed and created shit sounds a little bit more realistic than nothing existing first... and nothing giving birth to everything...

>yfw god is an indie dev currently working on the alpha for his game

>Atheists don't believe anything
They believe in apocalypse through climate change
and gay marriage
and abortion
and open borders
and women suffrage
and...

the universe always existed, is this too complex for you christcuck brain?

>Women suffrage


Don't bring women into this, they bring all this shit on them selves, don't bother to white knight them.

Kill most of them save a few.

I mean, i guess.

So the universe is god..? lol

To me it doesn't make sense to even try to think about this. I unironically get an headache just thinking about the sheer size of the universe, the concept of time and existence. So I won't get into an argument what makes more sense. Humans will probably never understand. Maybe we're divine beings judged by something outside our perception, maybe we're just evolved monkeys stranded on a speck of dust in a vast universe that will collapse at some point.

If I don't build a house, there will never be a house. It also will never happen randomly by accident. If god didn't build the universe, how can there be anything?

i unironically think ayys came and either seeded the planet, genetically altered us from ape creatures or both

Hmm... maybe, i sure hope not, that sounds pretty grim, but oh well.


Also i appreciate the comment, something worth reading.

Yes, i pretty much have the same outlook on matters, others would disagree.. but oh well, people will always disagree on everything.

Found the one who believes in evolution.

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The only thing that's bait is the wording on that thumbnail you posted.

This claim.

>In the beginning there was God

Is insanely more retarded than the claim

>In the beginning there was the universe.

And no atheists don't automatically believe that shitty meme up there.

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we're trying to uncover how the universe works
the underlying laws of nature
the hidden subtext of nature
determining what is our place in nature
how did we emerge from nature
and what does the future hold in this magnificent universe of ours
this is a quest just as much from the heart as it is from the head
and if we're not passionate human beings and we dont really believe that we live in a wonderful universe and that life itself is wonderful
then im not sure thats a society i want to live in

Welp, i respect your comment.

Not sure i 100% agree, but at least it's not retarded.

Respect on Sup Forums?
OP is going all in on this one.

Since the physics behind the big bang are way beyond my mental capacity, there is no way I can imagine the whole process in detail, but I do think they have a few plausible ideas to explain the creation of the universe.
I don't (((believe))) in their theories like you believe in a god/godess.

Holy shit. I thought I was the only one that though that. I think our planet is like a petri dish experiment or just raising us like cattle for cheap labor.

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>In the beginning there was nothing
>suddenly an interdimensional being created everything in our plane of existence, including us in his image
>he then interacted with a bunch of unsophisticated desert niggers who were creating religions left and right, but I know in my heart of hearts that this is the REAL one

...

We have yet to record any event ever that was a breach of the standard model.if there is a God, he is benign, doesnt break his own emotionless, mathematical rules for anyone and theredore requires no worship or even recognition. If he exists, he is a constant and therefore insignificant and inconsequential.

Wasn't the big bang more or less disproved recently?

If the theory was true, then there would be asymmetry between particles and antiparticles. But the universe is in perfect harmoni

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This isn't a discussion on Religion... but a discussion on God.


I personally think religion is a way to control others.. but as for believing in a higher power can be separated from religion.

What does atheism have to do with the origin of the Universe?

Theists:
>The Universe was somehow created by a sentient being that personally resembles a particular type of ape confined to a single blue planet in Orion's arm, and then gave them several sets of blurry hard to interpret rules and said he'd condemn any ape who didn't follow the rules to eternal torture and suffering.

Agnostics:
>The Universe was created somehow, but we don't have any data to assess any more than that, and until we do it is meaningless to ask.

Atheists:
>The Universe was created somehow, but there is no basis for the existence of a sentient, all-powerful being that shares the same mind as Man.

basically yes. whats the problem?

All this does is verify CPT invariance to greater accuracy. Matter-antimatter asymmetry is not a problem with the big bang theory specifically. It is a problem with particle physics in general.

you clearly never read the Bible

Well the issue is that 0 +1 doesn't equal 2

I read one speculation about how reality in its pre-big bang form was just in a state of superposition of either existing or not existing, just waiting for something to happen, for a path to diverge and then bam, shit just happened.
And there's multiple speculations about the 'current' nature of the universe. There's the bouncing universe idea and the stringed-multiverse idea.
Bouncing universe is essentially expanding and collapsing repeatedly, like an accordion.
Big bang occurs, low entropy at the start, very 'organized', particles start to collect and form, develop. Over time, things start to deteriorate, dissipate, and finally collapse on itself, only to explode back out again after contracting it all together.

Then there's the other idea where universes form out from some point in another universe, into a different 'dimension', or a 'bubble'.
Say (purely hypothetically) that on the other end of a black hole, a new universe forms, and so on and so on. And they can collapse, but it just keeps going.

Ultimately in my mind it comes down to two points, either 'reality' always existed/was there, or there was simply nothingness and a 'switch' just flipped.

Now, I most certainly don't rule out the possibility of a 'divine creator', or an 'organized' universe, but from all the data we've collected, I just don't see any reason to make that assumption, and I CERTAINLY don't see a single god damn reason to put my trust in any of the abrahamic religions, let alone any other religions. They've contributed nothing but baseless speculation for centuries.

>tfw Genesis is not contradictionary with the big bang théorie
1st day - big Bang
2-4 day forming of matter, stars, planets
5-6 days forming of life, first in water then on land

(one day in genesis might not mean 24 hours: if there is no sun you cannot apply human time-measurement, just for showing the time passing)

That's Babylonian cosmology. Creationists don't believe that anymore. They believe God created the universe using the processes described by science.

OK faggots
i used to go to a bar where GOD drank Doombar friday nights & pull sexy Nordic girls.
Let me explain to you what happened .....

>Be GOD
>Create super-mega computer the size of earth capable of simulating a whole universe
>press the on button
>simulation starts

From our perspective, the simulation starting is "the big bang" ... so yes, in a way... there was "nothing" before "the big bang"

>one day in genesis might not mean 24 hours
Retard

Genesis 1
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

>I have no idea how everything came to be
>but I DO KNOW THERE IS NO WAY IT WAS FROM A HIGHER BEING, NOPE

Explain yourself. I have read the creation myth of many religions, including Genesis.

Did God not create the Universe? Did He not ordain time, partition space, create all lifeforms and left His Word with a bunch of desert-dwelling homo sapiens on the planet Earth, located in the Milky Way? And did He not ensure to tell them that if His Word is not followed, they are to burn in pain for all of eternity? And did He not tell the homo sapiens that they had been created by Him in His image and that they would share his rationale, sans the infinite processing power and knowledge?

Because all of that was in there. Are you sure you're the one who has never read the Bible?

I'm more or less an atheist, but I've no idea if that's true or not. Science is great, but can get stuff wrong. Although reigion is fucking retarded, it would be hilarious if science ends up proving God exists though.

There was nothing, then there's as a bang and stars and dinosaurs and shit come out. Then a monkey picked up a stick and developed abstract thinking.

Christians BTFO.

Atheists are the dumbest fucks in existence

god is the black matter

Science doesn't tell you what is 'right', only what is our best explanation for a given phenomenon. Science can one day prove the existence of higher beings similar to God, but never God as He is defined, because God is defined as unknowable in His totality and the only way of sensing His existence is through pure faith.

No.

Im an atheist and believe the universe and time is infinite.

Big Bang is a meme.

No, this is a strawman argument made by brainlets.

Real scientists are still trying to figure out what was there (if anything) before the big bang.

There was no beginning. The universe exists because it is, by definition, existence itself. An infinite space necessitates a time variable.
The beginning and expansion of the universe is nothing more than the physical manifestation of mathematical infinity.

>1. Big Bang

>2. Formation of hydrogen/helium (wind, water)

>3. Formation of heavier elements (earth)

>4. Formation of Solar System

>5. Origin of life in the ocean, evolution of prehistoric animals (dinosaurs became birds)

>6. Evolution of mammals

Pretty accurate for a bunch of hebrew farmers don't you think?

I believe that talking snake gave an apple to the naked woman who had 2 sons and one of them killed his brother and fucked his mother and that's how humans started on this flat planet

>1. Create light

>4. Create the source of light

>The Universe was somehow created by a sentient being that personally resembles a particular type of ape
we were made in his image not him in ours

>confined to a single blue planet in Orion's arm,
he made earth first, He didn't just choose a planet out of a fuckload

>nd then gave them several sets of blurry hard to interpret rules
Really not hard to understand

>and said he'd condemn any ape who didn't follow the rules to eternal torture and suffering.
If you're saved then you cna't be sent to hell. Even though you still shouldn't break them you still can

>rejects the Christian AND scientific explanation for the observable universe
That must feel pretty euphoric.

Well... you can put it that way, but in a sense always is the universe. There's no other thing that's not the universe, there is no "always" without it. The universe IS always and everywhere. Two variables approaching infinty since infinity itself is absurd.

Don't you have a lamp?

The thing is. "Before" the BigBang is the wrong question since time itself ( or more truthfully spacetime) was created there. So causality and concepts as "after" and "before" break down completely.

>Be GOD
>Create super-mega computer the size of earth capable of simulating a whole universe
>press the on button
>simulation starts

The only thing the Big Bang tells us is that the further we go back in the past the hotter and dense things get. Before that we actually have the humility and wisdom to say "we don't know" while you guys believe in a father figure in the sky which doesn't even explain itself.

Playing the devil advocate here, but the light from dark might be interpreted as separating matter from dark-matter or anti-matter.

complexity level of the universe = x
complexity level of god mentioned in abrahamic religions who created the universe = y

y > x

>its logical for god to have always existed but its not logical for the universe to have always existed. who am i? oh i am just another retard who believes in the religon of his parents just to be accepted by people around me because i have no goal in life other than protecting and spreading my dna.
>i dont know how the universe was created therefore god of religion of my parents created the universe. if i was born in a muslim family i would be muslims. if i was born in a christian family i would be a christian. i am a fucking retard.

The source of light is photons. Those existed before the Sun and Moon.

Not particularly. What do you believe?

404's

Not sure.. i'd like to think a higher power exist, but i don't know that.. but through the power of reasoning it seems... er.. sorta logical.. sorta. lol

That has nothing to do with atheism.
Atheists simply don't believe in gods.
That's it.
Nothing else to it.

im atheist and dont believe in climate change

>we were made in his image not him in ours
Which is what I said. In the exact post you referred to.

>he made earth first, He didn't just choose a planet out of a fuckload
So did He create the Earth before the rest of our infinitely populated Universe?

>Really not hard to understand
Strange that everyone who reads them interprets something different, and this has been the basis for much blood and sin throughout history. No benevolent God would write specifically ambiguous instructions so that he could forever punish those unlucky enough to get it wrong. To this day, we do not have a clear meaning for the Word.

>If you're saved then you cna't be sent to hell. Even though you still shouldn't break them you still can
Is English not your native language? So which is it: were we saved by the passion of Christ or are we still to be held accountable for our deeds after passing? Why did He make Hell?

>believe in a father figure in the sky

Mostly an absolute thing who/which is beyond human understatement. We cannot describe him.

True, but the belief of the big bang is usually associated with the teachings of Atheism, not always of course..

Regarding God: It's a four sided triangle in 3D with a magic wand and three wives.
By definition, God is not part of the universe. If He was, He wouldn't have creaed it. You can argue that there is an extra-universal structure in which the universe is contained, but this would just be kickig the can down the road. When I talk about "universe" I mean this thing we know and everything beyond. Basically, everything that exists.
>God created the universe
>To create something, you cannot be contained in it beforehand, since it doesn't exist.
>Therefore, God wasn't and isn't part of the universe.
>The universe, as defined previously, is everything that exists.
>Therefore, God doesn't exist.

No, friend. The photons *are* light. They need a source, to be emitted from somewhere. An exchange of energy is and exchange of the potential to do work. For a photon to be flying around, it must have been emitted from somewhere sometime ago.

Does the existence of a higher power change anything in a meaningful way?

This is just one hypothesis and not even the most accepted. Nobody is actually sure what happened back then and you just have a few alternative mathematical models that kind of predict currently observed patterns, which doesn't mean any of them is right.

Recently people published a paper resurrecting the big crunch theory, which can imply the big bang is the expansion phase of a cycle of expansion-crunching.

>Which is what I said. In the exact post you referred to.
Then why would it matter what he looks like?

>So did He create the Earth before
Yes
>infinitely populated Universe?
Aliens aren't real boi

>Strange that everyone who reads them interprets something different, and this has been the basis for much blood and sin throughout history. No benevolent God would write specifically ambiguous instructions so that he could forever punish those unlucky enough to get it wrong. To this day, we do not have a clear meaning for the Word.
>says if you murder someone you get executed
>not clear

>Is English not your native language? So which is it: were we saved by the passion of Christ or are we still to be held accountable for our deeds after passing? Why did He make Hell?
You go to hell if you sin(break God's law) and never get saved.

nobody answer your dumbass loaded question because it is worthless. I will try though:
>One cannot answer a question "do atheists believe this?" because there is nothing atheists collectively believe besides the inexistance of God
>Paraphrasing this first two sentences of the big bang's wikipedia page in an autisticly childish manner is shameless strawmanning
>Science and atheism aren't the same thing, plenty of theistic religious people believe the big bang theory, and not all atheists do (my first point)
>Also, this is the kinda shit your bitchy religious aunt shares on her facebook cause she's bored of her sexless marriage and gets a kick out of starting shit in the comments with her old acquaintances
Sage

Perhaps.. that is if the higher power is an intelligent entity and not just some sorta cosmic force.

How does that change anything?

Tbh "light" is used as metaphore for things ín a very large scale. But i don't know if this is the situation ín this verse.

Or Recombination when light first appeared after the Big Bang.

God forgives you, if you ask for and do for forgiveness.

Simulation theory.

I wish you faggots would start to realise.

That's why I put "and never gets saved"

Easy there, this thread was made purely out of boredom and perhaps could spark some thought provoking theories. I know no one has the answers to the universe... but it's fun to talk about nevertheless.

Also this thread is more about God rather then Religion.

What is nothing?

>In the beginning there was this godly entity who couldn't see a fucking thing despite being a god.
He said
>Let there be light, and there was light....

Idk, i guess it could add hopeful thoughts that life has more meaning.

Sorry, maybe I misunderstood you.

Literally sounds just as reasonable.

Yes, the Big Bang. They were the product of fusion as early as the first few seconds after the Big Bang.

Seems like a pretty hypocritical opinion. You portray atheists as unreasonable for taking the big bang theory at face value but believe in a higher power with no real proof and only a justification that it might make life more meaningful.

I just wish pol would understand atheism =/= antitheism

>omae mo shindeiru, demo mada shindeimasen
>NANI!?
What's so confusing about you're already dead, just not yet? Your fate is sealed, you're going to die one way or another, you just haven't just yet. Maybe in the process of dying.

anything positive, man

Oh no, i was only interested in what Atheist would say to my shitty meme. I was hopping they would provide interesting backing on their theories.

Also i don't stand with anything, i don't really know what to believe at the end of the day.. but oh well.. a fun thread it is so far. :)