Why does identity politics feel so good?

Why does identity politics feel so good?

I love individualism but ethnostates with culture do seem like nice places.

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I've never understood what identity politics is supposed to mean.

We're not killing your individualism. We're simple saying you're not that different from any of the other Whites.

That your ideology revolves around being part of a certain group, and fighting against other groups. Picking a "side" and looking to "thought leaders" to get all of your opinions handed to you.

You are a [gender][sexuality][race]!
All [gender]s act this way, therefore so do you!
Also, all [race] people vote democrat. Shouldn't you be voting democrat? You don't want to sell out your people.
Gee, [sexuality] people sure are oppressed. You should take the fight to the voting box and vote us in, because we care about [sexuality]!

Anybody who isn't a [gender][sexuality][race] doesn't understand your struggles, so be sure to tell them. Stick with your own [gender][sexuality][race], it's very important.

Why do you need to create a word for that? It's called being stupid.

That's happening regardless.

but if you're not a individualism you're a collectivist who priorities others based on retarded shit

i have no problem prioritizing others that i choose but not based on race or class

> The [race] people are people are being systematically oppressed by the secretive [[[race]]] faction. The [race] people should be proud of their history and accomplishments and resist this thinly veiled genocide.

Sup Forums or blm?

I think you're missing the entire point of what you posted. It's "okay" to be anything as long as you're a decent person.

Immediately classing that as "white vs OTHER" is no different.

Why is this so hard to grasp?

both

In other words, don't play that game. You are playing right the fuck into it by making it a group vs group thing.

Yeah and Whites will die your way. It's not stupid shit, it's literally what our Founding Fathers believed in.

Why are liberals freaking out about it than retard? Just stfu.

...the founding fathers cherished individualism and personal liberty above all else. Denying this is very absurd.

Ehhh, that picture is somewhat accurate. But in ethnostates other groups just become the oppressed class

They set up the immigration for White men of good Character and it didn't get changed till 1965 after you Jews killed JFK.

Liberals? You're already doing it. You played into it.

As if there aren't any "liberals" who abhor this retarded behavior. You're putting stupid in a box and slapping labels on it.

Stop syaing "dem liberals" and just call it stupidity. Your way will only invite self-identified liberals to say "huh, liberals are supposed to do this kind of thing, I guess I should do that too."

Stop with the groupthink.

They have their own Countries. We're not the worlds babysitters. Sorry. It's also clearly not working.

Because white men were mostly the only ones in the area of concern "of good character" at the time.

the world is vastly more interconnected now, immigration from one side of the globe to the other is now actually feasable and common.

Only a liberal would get angry at the phrase. We both know it. If you want to use liberal as a synonym for stupid then you have my blessing

>Individualism

Any non-Juden who wishes to preserve anything about their culture or identity just needs to let this part of their thinking die for a while. Get out there and actually experience something in the culture you wish to preserve. This "fuck authority, I'll do it my way" is peak WASP and not necessarily a bad natural psychology to have, but in contemporary society this way of thinking puts you and your culture in a very fragile position as a non-Jew. Whites especially should eradicate those feels. The whole individualism vs. collectivism dichotomy is like a kind of slave morality for people with above-average IQ.

>why don't those libruls want to use identity politics? Do they not "get" freedom?
>why don't those rural and suburban retards vote for their own interests? Do they not "get" equality?

It's all a circle jerk, waste of time. And people who actually work in think tanks and lobbyists and etc. love to exploit those feels, to the detriment of most everyone.

So you basically define identity politics as the normal course of human events?

It's not happening bud. Sorry you're gonna have to suck POC dick somewhere else.

I'd say I'm slightly right of center.

Cuck of Akkad, Sargon, never misses an opportunity to pull the "but I'm a liberal!" and you probably eat his cummies just fine, and he's a self described "leftist"

He started out with my line of thinking, but after he blew up he played into the identifiable groupthink, maybe not even purposefully.

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never heard of him

Asian here. The differences between the white ethnicities are equal to or more pronounced than the differences between the Asian ethnicities. They’re all quite distinct and exotic to our eyes, and it’s rather obvious that globalist likes would love to subvert the conscious acknowledgement of that by whites.

So did Nietzsche, and many other illiberal men prior to the zog'ing of Western civilization. That doesn't give you any room to envelope them in this modern cluster fuck of """individualism""".

I meant to type kikes. (((Apple)))’s autocorrect is a bitch. Also negroids and aboriginals are not human.

The problem is you aren't thinking your ideals through further than idealistic dreams. You haven't considered the real world applications for any of your ideas.

"What do you want to be done, and how? Will it be feasible? what are the long term effects we will see?"

You don't consider any of these things.

But hey, it is a lot easier to laugh at stupid people getting mad about a simple "it's okay to be white" poster.

Unless you're a big brain nibba you're eventually gonna become cannon fodder for people who want to use you for ulterior motives. Tread carefully.

Ethnonationalism isn't necessarily entirely collectivist. Just like some degree of fascism or authoritarianism may be necessary in a libertarian society to ensure protection of individual liberty, some degree of cooperation is necessary to preserve peaceful conflict resolution in a libertarian society. You're not selling out by creating a region with other people who are similar to you, you're simply exercising your right to associate with whomever you wish.

Because Tribes user.
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>fairytale places that never existed sound amazing
Tell me more user

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...the founding fathers cherished individualism and personal liberty above all else. Denying this is very absurd.

Don't get me wrong, I've grown a bit of hatred for ((some)), but this is truth and makes me back to the roots which is the truth.

Tired of certain Sup Forums faggots steering the conversation

>You haven't considered the real world applications for any of your ideas

The only idea or sentiment I've expressed ITT is that shilling for individualism in current year + 2 is a really, really fucking stupid thing for non-Jews to do. What are you presuming about my ideas or the irl application of said presumptions?

>forgot the greentext 4faggot mark

because identity politics are the only politics that matter until you are actually in an ethnostate
HELLO
WAKE UP PL0X

Identity politics is the politics of the selfish, and narcissistic. Its not about you or your minority group it never was. Ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your country.

>he brings up Nietzsche, yet throws up this slave morality.

No man is an island. Reintegrate into your community. Get in touch with your extended family.

>Why does identity politics feel so good?

Because humans are social animals. Chimps and gorillas live in a "band". We've been living in "bands" for a few million years. You'd think it'd have an effect eh?

Other groups shouldn't be in an ethnostate, user.

Only by ensuring collective self-determination can individualism be safe to flourish. Libertarians and nationalists are aligned along the same principles, but nationalists realize that the individual cannot survive without collective security.

by logical extrapolation, what about not "associating" with certain people? What people do you not want to be associated with?
is there a list? How will it be enforced? What are the criteria?


perhaps people that we have judged to be unfit to stay in open society could be put in some sort of closed off facility for a predetermined period of time.


So you don't actually have any feasbile ideals, you just want to tell me how the founding fathers would "do things differently" in modern times?

People who think identity politics are important are just a tiny sum of minority that has loud barks but zero action relying on laws that people would gladly repeal

>perhaps people that we have judged to be unfit to stay in open society could be put in some sort of closed off facility for a predetermined period of time.

Its called prison.

Piss poor deflection user. I was legitimately curious to know what ideas you're referring to.

yeah, I'm glad you figured that joke out. You must watch Rick and Morty.

>Georgia

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Whats Rick and Morty I don't watch TV.

how flag

It means going for politics that are pro-whatever your skin color is. It's inherently leftist. I mean, the two words themselves should be self-explanatory.

*show

It all boils down to whether or not you try your best to be the best person you can be. If you aren't proud of yourself, how can you be proud of your identity, or the culture you belong to?

No, I've just said next to nothing of my ideas or beliefs ITT so far. This presumptuous and defensive shit you're laying on me is absurd user.

They were all leaders, and therefore all individualists. But they deliberated with each other as a group for the greater good of their own people. It is necessary for the leaders of a group to be more individualistic than the rest of the group in order to steer it in the right direction. On the whole though both the leaders and people are collectivist because they both have the other's interests in mind. Hitler had his people in mind with his actions. He did not rule over them in an oppressive sense but made laws for their own good because he had their interests in mind. The interests of the collective. Not his own.

its ok to be white. its not identity politics, its nature. feeling good about yourself does feel good though. Probably a first time experience for some of us the past few days. enjoy it.

Your responses seemed to be anti-individualism and pro ethnostate, forgive me if I'm wrong, but it seemed pretty clear.

Because you want to be with your own people.
They existed on smaller scales. Living with "diversity" is not natural to most humans. We all came from communities of our own people. The creation of the ethnostate is simply setting things to the way they are supposed to be.
Diversity means war and nothing else. No, we can't just all get along. No, we will never become one race. Peace is only maintained when groups that hate each other are separated. You propagate evil while speaking in the light. Humanity has been warned of double mouthed serpents for far too long for us to be falling for this shit.
Up is down, right is wrong. This is your nature.

This

Perhaps you should drop the childish "ideal government" building.
You don't have the vision. You don't understand human nature.

So, you're saying it's not about people, it's about the state.

Define my deflection, and define your point and your curiously abysmally stupidness. The post I quoted back there was sub-IQ memeyness that spoke against Classic Year Liberalism: Individualism.

Lead the conversation and say something succinctly?

The same reason multicultural empires collapse. It is not a natural state. The groups will always be in opposition to each other. The only difference here is white people have gotten the bizarre idea that we can't advocate for our interests, so other groups are coming and seeing us being retarded and are taking it to full advantage.

>what is empathy
>what is who will be this hitler for your greater good you God Damned idiot

I'm just some guy that likes liberty and the idea of America.

i don;'t see what's wrong with trying to make an ideal governing system.

What is the point of politics or ideologies AT ALL if your goal isn't to govern better for the people?

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The left-wing roots of modern individualism explained.

For any individualist purists, denial of the collective is as silly as denial of the individual (communism). Humans are social creatures. Breaking down identity disrupts society.

>What is the point of politics or ideologies AT ALL if your goal isn't to govern better for the people?

Such a naive question. Google[tm] "human nature".

P.S. one day socialism will work, because, like, they be smart n nice n sheit, we wuz philosopherkings doh

My mistake, wrong post.

A nation is only great when grate men sacrifice of themselves through their own choice to make it so. What a nation give you is less important to the preservation of that nation than what you give it. America was great because great men gave their lives to it. We were strong because great men gave their strength to it, we were prosperous because great men gave their time to make it so. What we have now is a nation of spoiled children who believe its the job of the state to make laws to protect their feelings and force others to be nice to them. This will always fail it is merely enabling those people to continue weakening the nation. America is about choice and living with the consequences of your choices, free will, forced tolerance is not free will its slavery of the mind. People who hate each other can never be made to live together in peace and hate can never be ended. It is our nature to be this way.

Yeah we're rejecting you if you haven't noticed. It's failed, get over it. This about OUR survival.

Thank you for explaining. The whole ethnostate issue has become convoluted and I'm weary of it. It was never really my choice position, and I never agreed much with people who support the idea of the US becoming a white ethnostate. The nationalist cause is important here, but that pursuit of essential sovereignty gets bogged down with bullshit semantics and delusional concepts like a white ethnostate being something, of all things, that should be discussed openly (Spencer fags will claim le overton window, but I think they are just fucking idiots at this point). More so I think it's important to defend what European culture and tradition that actually exists here still, in fragments, and perhaps reviving what can be revived by combating consumerist and inclusion-prone opinions and this weaponized anti-white hegemony with a meta-political system. And in that meta-political approach, you kind of have to embrace the reality of certain memes like individualism and open borders being very detrimental things to your goal. I want to fight the demographic annihilation of whites as well, and I believe that reviving culture and tradition are the ground work to that.

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>They were all leaders, and therefore all individualists. But they deliberated with each other as a group for the greater good of their own people. It is necessary for the leaders of a group to be more individualistic than the rest of the group in order to steer it in the right direction. On the whole though both the leaders and people are collectivist because they both have the other's interests in mind. Hitler had his people in mind with his actions. He did not rule over them in an oppressive sense but made laws for their own good because he had their interests in mind. The interests of the collective. Not his own.

What does that even mean? Can you outline what you're actually talking about and what you want your government to look like in 100 years?

1 COR 13:11
When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things.

Libertarianism is a coward’s ideology. It’s an attempt by white males to argue in their own interest by ideological means instead of arguing plainly for what’s in the interest of their own blood and culture like every other ethnic group does. Every libertarian ideal has been turned against them by their ideological opponents. To be a libertarian you have to believe in open borders and free trade (or make some Rube Goldberg argument about why it’s more libertarian to believe otherwise) despite the fact that this is dispossessing and impoverishing white males who make up 99.9999% of all the libertarians that ever were or ever will be. To be a libertarian means to choose liberty over survival because how can you be a libertarian if you let sanity trump laissez-faire? In the future, when the last libertarian is bludgeoned to death with the last copy of Atlas Shrugged by some black panther militia man, he’ll be bitching with his dying breath about violations of his property rights and voluntary agreements.

Interesting.
So your ideology has become nothing more than a means to an end, but what about after that?

You guys realize that America kept itself 90% white under American government for 200 years, right? They didn't have any problems maintaining a white country with pro-white immigration policy alone.

Thats everything you dumb shill nigger.

1. the country is not the individual
2. centrists are pussys who think they can please everyone

You’re waking up, White Man. Take your destiny from the hands of God.

We built this world. We deserve a nation within it.

They're trying to replace Whites cuz people like you are worthless and easy to walk all over. Oh but you're such a special little individual snowflake huh?

Anti-individualism is a slippery slope, but I suppose things are always slick to begin with.

Leave it to short-term-vision faggots to say dumb shit that will stay out of fruition as is so

>I love individualism but ethnostates with culture do seem like nice places.
Individualism can only function when other individuals understand the NAP.

Can you try that again, and with a response this time? A simple question like "what kind of government and policy would you like to see in 100 years"? seems to go unanswered by both green hair SJW and tiki torch prancers.

I like National Socialism but I'm also fine with returning it to what our Founding Fathers intended.

The founding fathers literally only ever intended for whites to be allowed into into the country
The Marxists always dodge that one when they LARP as 1776 libertarians tho

My dude, try it one more time. Specifics, the meat, actual policies.

What's wrong with advocating for your people, especially when other groups are looking to take advantage of you and your country?

You don't need radical government change.
>stop importing foreigners
>peaceful racial separation
>purge Marxist institutions
This should put us on a strong path moving forwards.

because it is the natural state of man. it is how things are supposed to be. a diverse world full of diverse cultures is a beautiful thing, but this modern (((diversity))) where we force all people into one genetic and cultural blender is an abomination that brings only pain and death. let go user, let go and join us in making a better world

My dude go fuck yourself. We don't want you anyways.

I suppose I may have had you confused with another poster at some point ITT, but it's not without reason as your posts are pretty far up your own ass.

>but what about after that

It's endless That's the nature of politics, and most everything. If I were to succeed and realize my vision that culture, my culture, would flourish here and there would be a great future for my family and my people, which is about the most a man can ask for. The most you can hope for out of life is finding the means to make yourself ego-centered and focused on an end, assuming the aimless, postmodern pursuit of happiness doesn't suit you. I know we are all trying to navigate this post-modern void as best we can, and I look at all different aspects of life as facets fitting into something bigger, and this current formation I've developed is as close as I've come to finding legitimate purpose.

Absolutely. And most accept now that the debasement of our country and our demographic situation was intentional, the cultural Marxists in academia are quite proud of it as an achievement and openly admit it. I brought it up because I think they use Spencer and men like him as a sort puppet for their anti-whte dumbshow. I don't believe the things he believes really, even though most would group Spencer together with anyone who opposes the anti-white status quo. This battle can't be fought with speeches and arguments as Spencer believes, in my opinion.

Yeah all these radical individualists coming out of nowhere all of a sudden. Tactics shift.

Even more, only intended English-speaking whites to come here.
Fucking Deutsche leftists came here after failing in their 1848 revolution, then started killing for the Union 15 years later.

Franklin didn't even want Nordcucks, Medshits or Germans in. He wanted it pure Anglo with some injun on the side.

I don't have a problem with collectivism for self defense purposes, but my problem is with collective guilt. I don't want innocent nonwhites getting murdered in their homes by white nationalists due to guilt by association.

ee, that's much different from what you lead me to believe your ideas were. However, it's still disagreeable to me, since I don't believe government is the end all be all. you can't legislate blacks to stop killing eachother. Detroit and Chicago is already basically mini-ethnostates.

i can get behind increased scrutiny for foreign immigration. i can get behind revamping our academic institutions and universities.

How about we audit the fed, don't don't let dual citizens serve in Congress? Aren't most of them actually citizens of Israel?

isreal shilling, why am i not surprised

>What's wrong with advocating for your people, especially when other groups are looking to take advantage of you and your country?

Nothing. Until that infringes or backfires on me, by having "my people" share a multitude of different genetics and IQs such as v

>I suppose I may have had you confused with another poster at some point ITT, but it's not without reason as your posts are pretty far up your own ass.

^ a double niggerfaggot with no substance such as this

Now I see what you're saying. First you quoted JFK and said "country" now you're saying nation. Are these two concepts not differentiated? Is one not the state and the other not a collectivist group of people?

So it was the ideals of the founders that made our country strong. Where did these men come from and from whom did they get their ideals? Was it from among their own people or did they come from different peoples (or nations) from throughout the world? Would you say that these ideals spawned from a particular determinant people of a particular region or from many geographically diverse regions and tribes of different cultures? I can agree that each their lines of thinking and world views were highly diverse; and yet they were all of the same bretherend kin.

Yes i know you're a Jew. Muh Individualism goys! Just ignore that Jews are working as a collective.

you want to have the cake and eat it too. Collectivism when it suits you, individualism when it doesn't.

>the Spencer question
The reality is a lot of the stuff Spencer says is mostly on-message. I think between anti-Spencer shilling and esoteric Spencerism getting weird it puts a lot of people off. On the whole I think he does a good job bringing up that there's nothing wrong with pro-white advocacy.

I think shills constantly bring him up as a D&C tactic tbqh