What would the world look like today if Hitler was never born?

What would the world look like today if Hitler was never born?

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I, Legit, think we would live in a nuclear wasteland !

Whoa where is this from?

If Nazis never seized power, Germany would certainly be better off.
They would recover some territories via diplomacy, reunification with Austria would probably happen, restrictions on armament would be lifted, economy would stabilize (Schacht was behind that, not some Nazi retard or their retarded policies).
I mean, original Nazi (Hitler's) position (that Germany is overpopulated and such idiocy) was so obviously wrong.
German right would easily get these concessions and probably more. Some steps were taken in this direction even before Nazis came to power.
But German right naively thought they could control Nazis, and Germans bought populist bullshit without much substance, that's why they paid the price in the end.
I mean, this is guesstimate, but Nazis were certainly not good for Germany or Europe in absolute sense.

Germany would have taken a much different direction without the NSDAP since Hitler wouldn't have been the charismatic leader/manipulator etc. so they'd probably never make it big like they did.
The Soviet Union would have done more agitation, etc. in Eastern Europe in the 1930s and onwards without an extremely powerful Central European force to keep them in check militarily since without Hitler/The NSDAP in power Germany probably never goes against Versailles.
Germany might go communist in which case all of Europe doesn't really have much of a good future.
WWII wouldn't have happened in the way it did, well, assuming Japan still does what it does the US militarizes and becomes imperialistic but only in East Asia and not in Europe like it did with NATO, etc., so France, Britain, and the rest of Western Europe west of Germany are essentially screwed as Eastern-Central Europe all become geopolitical pawns of the USSR.

Oh, and restoration of monarchy would probably happen.

It would have probably ended up communist

Global Soviet domination

Flat still

You're assuming the German right, etc. has much of a future post-1929 without the NSDAP to keep the communists in check and rival them with their populist narrative which appealed to the lower German working classes.
Were it not for the NSDAP, the German Communist Party probably would have secured a majority and eventually a supermajority and turned the country into a Soviet geopolitical satellite state.

And Stalin mit he's army would just stand there and do nothing ?
Communists would just not try to grab the controle in Germany AND the rest of europa ?

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Then World War II would have been fought between Russia and the U.S., and the jews would have picked their "holocaust" victim between the two instead of the Cold War.

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>never make it big like they did
How did they ''make it big''?
German economic situation in late 30's for all intents and purposes was even worse than that of Soviet Union in 80's. Their policies were simply unsustainable. If there was no war, their economy would collapse, pure and simple.
Or you mean their conquests, but that too was unsustainable, and their success had more to do with other factors than their strength.
>keep in check
But Nazis didn't keep Soviets in check. Nazis invaded Poland together with them, and were then beaten by Soviets which allowed them to occupy most of Eastern Europe.
>Germany might go communist
EVERYONE that wasn't communist was opposed to communists in Germany. Including Social Democrats. Not to mention Stalin dropped the ''spreading revolution'' bullshit. Communist Germany would never happen. Nazis weren't the only far-right group, far from it, and Germany as whole (outside of Prussia which was mostly controlled by SPD) was dominated by right wing in institutions.
>as Eastern-Central Europe all become geopolitical pawns of the USSR
But they became that after the end of WW2.
Why are you people so willing to opine on subjects you know shit about?

There would've been someone else.
Maybe Oswald Mosley would've actually done better without a Hitler to be compared and contrasted to.

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Might have had someone else come along who was more competent and didn't get in the way of his generals and make autistic war losing decisions.

Nope, as I explained in my posts.
There is absolutely zero chance Germany ends up communist. Communists were opposed by almost everyone but their voters, and they would squashed with Western aid.
>has much of a future
Why wouldn't they have future?
Again, you people ignore that majority was against communists. Furthermore there was literally no obstacles to using extreme measures against them, even from SPD. After WW1, it was SPD government that organized Freikorps and squashed communist revolution.
>would just stand there
Without a clear opening, yes, he would have no choice but to stand there, since Soviets would certainly be unable to defeat entire Europe, probably supported by USA.
You're literally an idiot if you don't understand that it was the Nazi actions which allowed Soviets to occupy Eastern Europe.

Furthermore, without radicalization of politics which was in no small part occurring because of Nazis and Hitler, it's questionable whether communists would even enjoy the support they enjoyed in early 30's.

Unlikely. Soviet military domination came about as a reaction to Nazi invasion. Without it the attempt would be political domination instead, and that would have taken longer and been actively resisted by the Western powers. Europe would have been largely spared as Russian interests would be concentrated on the Chinese/Japanese situation (which would probably have happened anyway, given that Hitler was not involved). Oddly it is possible that when WWII did start, it would be in the Far East, and there is a chance Germany would be on the allied side in an attempt to reclaim what Pacific territories it could from the Japanese.

very different

and not for the better

I have a quick question. What were the ideologies of the communists back then? Honestly, I can't find a lot about it. I find who they were and about their actions but nothing about their goals. For example the "Bavarian Soviet Republic".

Was it just a big group of people, tired from the first world war, who were against the ruling government?

> How did they ''make it big''?
They got into power, that's what I meant by making it big.
> keep in check
Yes, they did, is your view of geopolitics completely black and white?
They provided enough military force projection to keep the Soviet Union from outright invading/menacing much of Eastern Europe through strategic military alliances throughout the 30s, that doesn't necessarily mean they could beat them head on head in any scenario, but they provided a check to outright Soviet military domination. Not only that but
> They lost, this somehow means they did nothing against communism
Nazi Germany blew a hole into the USSR so large that it would never fully recover from it and attracted the US' attention to Europe, saving at least the Western part of it from being completely overtaken and controlled by the Soviet Union, in a way Germany's sacrifice in WWII saved Western Civilization.
> EVERYONE that wasn't communist was opposed to communists in Germany
And yet they were the second largest party by a wide margin post-1929. Without the NatSocs they could have and probably would have just had an outright majority and at that point who gives a fuck what others think?
> But they became that after the end of WW2.
Your reading or interpolational skills are shit since you're ignoring the obvious fact that I brought Western Europe up and without the US to bolster them as Eastern and Central Europe fall they have NO chance to resist what the USSR wants, unlike how things played out with NATO, etc.

The Jews would have gotten their way and Germany would have fallen in the civil war where they tried to make Germany a communist country.

Also, compare this.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stahlhelm,_Bund_der_Frontsoldaten

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roter_Frontkämpferbund

Literally 500,000 far-right paramilitaries which enjoyed army and government support in most of Germany, versus 130,000 communist paramilitaries.
Plus other right wing paramilitary groups, plus SPD paramilitary which was opposed to communists.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbanner_Schwarz-Rot-Gold

So no, there was no fucking way communists seize power in Germany. You people are totally unaware how right-wing was Germany in general, especially civil service and army.

>it was the Nazi actions which allowed Soviets to occupy Eastern Europe.
Where did I deny or oppose this ?
But to assume a massive army to do nothing is also ''not smart'' ! And what I also mentioned is the communist takeover in Germany ! Which would not happen because ... ?

>Was it just a big group of people, tired from the first world war, who were against the ruling government?
pretty much

hahahahah didn't they ever teach your retarded ass to keep your mouth shut if you have no idea what you're talking about?

>They provided enough military force projection to keep the Soviet Union from outright invading/menacing much of Eastern Europe through strategic military alliances throughout the 30s, that doesn't necessarily mean they could beat them head on head in any scenario, but they provided a check to outright Soviet military domination. Not only that but
That comes from your faulty assumption Soviets in 30's were trying to expand. Which is absolute rubbish. Read some fucking history.
>Nazi Germany blew a hole into the USSR so large that it would never fully recover from it
Another rubbish claim. Yes, they suffered dreadful losses, but that was more than offset by their conquests in Europe. Soviet Union was second economy of the world for most of the Cold War.
>And yet they were the second largest party by a wide margin post-1929
They got 14% of votes in 1932. And obviously radicalization of politics played a part in this. SPD got 22%. Centre, 12%.
>NO chance to resist what the USSR wants
But that was after the war, you humongous retard, a war which fucking destroyed Europe, especially Eastern Europe. A war started by Nazis.
Do yourself a favor and stop talking about shit you don't understand at all.
BSR was literally liberal commies and anarchists who LARPed a bit and were crushed by Freikorps.
Later on KPD was more influenced by Stalinism.

KPD and SPD got 30% in votings right until 1933

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>massive army
Which fared so great in Finland and opening part of Axis invasion.
>Which would not happen because ... ?
I'm explaining that in other posts, read them.
In short, opposition to communists as well as their will to use violence was simply too great in Germany. Nor was Germany in such a crippling crisis.
Not to mention France and UK and everyone else in fucking Europe would do whatever they can to stop communists from seizing power.

>SPD
Was totally against KPD, you retarded fuck. It was SPD government which crushed revolution after WW1.
In fact their total lack of cooperation with KPD played a major part in Nazis seizing power.

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6 million times worse

Europe would be a never ending war-zone between Western Europe and the USSR. Soviets would support uprisings in their enemies colonies, leading to another front being created around the globe to suppress revolts, or alternatively losing them and their resources.

Looks bleak.

Europe would be white, nationalism and racism would be normal, communism would colapse after a few decades anyway.

topkek at your pic

Which would just result in another Hitler coming into the picture one way or another. After the Kaiser abdicated, he blamed the Jews for the state Germany entered after WWI.

There was nothing inevitable about Nazis seizing power. Yes, right wing would seize power, but they were far more reasonable than Nazis.

There would be a lot more Tesla coils.

The Russians would have been the ones to do Holocaust, and Stalin would have killed himself in the end of ww2.
There would be even more zionist control.
2017: Europe 59% white
Terror attacks every day
Europe 68% muslim
Nazism is illegal
Internet is never created free, and only the government can access it freely.

Something like that.

>Prussian conservatives were more reasonable and in no way like the Nazis
That incredible delusion... lol

You would know very little about their role in the rise of Nazism to say something like that, and how they were demonized after WWII by the Allies.

Almost everything German was demonized after WWII. Possibly excepting beer.