Why was Germany so Right-Wing and nationalist from its formation as a country in 1871 up until the end of WWII?

Why was Germany so Right-Wing and nationalist from its formation as a country in 1871 up until the end of WWII?
I get that it stopped being that way because of de-nazification and American brainwashing, but what caused it to be like that in the first place?

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glorious Prussia

Two consecutive generations where the boldest, self determined, men of action were culled from the gene pool.

This fundamentally changed the character and temperament of the german people.

If someone tells you temperament isn't heritable, they're a moron because in animal husbandry, temperament is absolutely bred for.

It's because of an intrinsic part of the German spirit. Obedience to authority. It persists even today, just look at how the average German "Accepts the challenge" presented by Merkel.
Germans obey their leaders. It's just that their leaders don't have their best interest in mind anymore.

This. The kernel of the modern German nation-state was Prussia, who spent 300 years struggling to survive against much larger and more powerful states and only succeeded because of its phenomenal military. As a result militarism pervaded every aspect of life; Napoleon famously quipped that "Prussia was hatched from a cannonball".

Well you're definitely right to a certain point but Germany had one generation of aggressively nationalist, authoritarian, etc. men largely killed and then the next generation that followed was arguably even moreso.

The thirty year war slaughtered a third of our population, the warriors especially but it could turn out like this still in the end.
It is true though, that in areas that experienced great bloodletting and bombing the people descending from the affected population have inherited a greater risk adversity genetically.
german angst is inborn to some degree.

This. I definitely think that genes will play a large role in it, but in this case culture plays a larger one.
Imagine if you took the average soyboy of today (lanky arms, no chest, whiny, useless), and transported him as a baby back to 1897 Germany. I think he would grow up slightly weaker than his peers, but would have the skills of a man, the mindset of a good normie of that era, and would fight and die for Germany.

We can't test this, unfortunately.

>but what caused it to be like that in the first place?
Basic biology you dumb mongrel. Normal people are all racist.

happy every time subhuman American solider dies or terrorist act in your nation happens


>Occupy Germany to this day
>Force turks into Germany en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastarbeiter
>Cause wars in the middle east and direct refugees into Europe belfercenter.org/publication/strategic-engineered-migration-weapon-war
>take in Marxist Frankfurt School and send them back to Germany to kickstart communist student revolts of 1968 who march through institutions and turn Germany into leftist shithole
>Jewish US-networks control media and government, lobby for mass immigration and anti-racism
>Call said country you destroy "cucks"

I guess that's kind of my point. 30-years war happened over thirty years. So while the outright numbers are horrific, the attrition wasn't so immediately and conclusively bled of the aforementioned character and temperament.

In wwi, and wwii you had worse casualties over a relatively extremely short period of time, in two consecutive generations.

Nationalism was big in all of Europe back then. the German unification was inspired by the Italian Unification and was seen as a way to combat larger nations such as the Austrian Empire, Russian Empire, British Empire and French Empire

once Germany unified under Bismarck, they enjoyed an incredible boost to their economic development and looked to expand colonial possessions to rival the other great powers.

1968-student Revolution,Willy Brandt's and JFK's influence,influence of American culture,sweeping and sneaking Expansion of Marxism, high-caliber-politicians dying during the 80's and 90's,British influence,the EU,incorperation of the East,migration waves slowly declining tradition and Neoliberals gfucking shit up since Kohl.

Rainer Bartzel and Franz Joseph Strauß should have become chancellors of Germany when the time was right.

But Sup Forums doesn't get it.

There were too much lefty parties spawning out of nowhere.
Grüne/Die Linke were overstretching the right's capabilities to hold the society together.

Old people are stubborn,migrants are loyal to Merkel,poor people have no moral,workers are goats and sheep,women act based on Emotion,young are cucked and brainwashed,rich people are intriguing and egoist.

There was no strong force or viable option to give a chrstian,capitalist,conservative,nationalist or any other education and livestyle,even the randomness of Democracy couldn't help.

Instead the same Things as in the 20's happenened,with the 60's instead having a Socialist-Anarchist turning point.

The genes were still there. The will not.
As said,the Bundesrepublik wasn't founded as a good right-wing state.

Thanks for that nice breakdown Ivan.

>worse casualities
No, thats not true.
The countryside lost around 40% of the population and the cities if they werent razed lost around 10-30%.
The destruction was unequally weighted though, some regions were spared others were left lifeless after loosing up to 70%(!) of the population.
The thirty year war killed more people in relation to the population then the first and second worldwar and you would have to combine both worldwars to get a similar bloodtoll maybe as some historians do calling it a second thirty year war.

The will is linked to the genes. The genes that manifest as bold, self determined, and action-taking temperament are largely gone. Combine that with an all-out assault on your endocrine system and its no wonder why modern Europe is a shadow of its former self.

That misses the point about the time span.

The natural weaknesses come only from mmodern Lifestyle and those of your parents,+consumed products.
Get a todays wannabe-gangster and send him to an isolated town with 1890's values and tradition,he will be like one of those times.

>I get that it stopped being that way because of de-nazification and American brainwashing
It wasn't just the immediate brainwashing. The whole modern german state and culture were specifically engineered to suppress our nationalistic instincts.

That's why we are here user.

To remind you of what you lost.

>To remind you of what you lost.
We'll get it back as soon as the BRD collapses.

I love Bismark. He is one of the greatest politicians, diplomats of all time

>Bundesrepublik
>state
Exactly. Those who reject the German “citizenship” and “state” are spied on 24/7, whereas turkish, kurdish, yugoslavian, italian, greek, arabian and other ethnic criminal groups are left to their own devices

National socialism
Right winged
Pick one

The timespan is similar and even has a short break, second ended 45. The casualities of the worldwars werent worse and and not much more immediate as it really doesnt matter if you give or take 10 years if you reduce two generations greatly by sudden death.

Go home Vox

This.
The german nationalism was merely a subproduct of prussian militarism.

It's doubtfull if they were right-wing though. It's even doubtfull if such term can be applied in XIX and XX Germany

*first started 1914

Mind you, while you might think that the worldwars took people in short bursts, the thirty year war moved with its armys-where people were killed and had to suffer from desease and the complete loss of their lifestock afterwards is not any less sudden then an arial bombardement or the draft.

:I don't argue against thgat good genes have been lost.
But culturall effects and especially development are important to a people.
The second thirty years war theory is so Fitting because the German people were seeing a general decline from 1918-1935.
Also during the Weimar Republic ten-thousands of people died due to paramilitarical conflicts,also those in the East until 1921,with the Freikorps.

You can always Regenerate and compensate for loosing many men and women of great ancestry.
A large Population boom could bring enough aggressive people to life,which would then succede better than the weaker ones and regulate the gene pool naturally.

>Why was Germany so Right-Wing and nationalist from its formation as a country in 1871 up until the end of WWII?
What was the degeneracy of Weimar Republic
>glorious Prussia
Bismarck is literally a father to a modern welfare state.

Vox agrees with you though ha.

Germany formed in 1871

Omg amerilars are really that ignorant

>"Prussia was hatched from a cannonball"
That's cool. I kind of got a head like a cannonball, too.

The great problem of the war was, everyone got involved in it whether they wanted it or not. Brandenburg declared itself neutral and guess what both sides invaded, plundered and destroyed it. It came after the war that states became stronger and more ambitious, because the only alternative was being weak and ravaged by both sides.

Please,just let's not make a Polish-German thread-conflict in this one,okay?

The people of the Weimar Republic were the ones voting Hitler and those who had fought in WW1.

That is not really an Insult and before that the German Bund was not a state,nor the HRE.

Just before a parliament was established,the Terms "right" or left" were not important,but the Monarchies were nationalconservative.

They are genetically programmed to make and follow rules. They enjoy doing things by the rules, and get confused when people dont follow the rules.

I said it was not founded as a good right-wing state.
Yes,since the 2+4-treaty at latest we should all know that latter wasn't really a fact anyway.

It’s not a fucking state at all. It’s a literal proxy occupational government

Sure, I'm not even trying to do that, I generally look up to German culture more that I do to Polish.

Eternal jealousy of the Roman Empire

read Article 139 of our ((( constitution )))

>Why was Germany so Right-Wing and nationalist from its formation as a country in 1871 up until the end of WWII?
Having a puzzle of duchys and abbys and whatnot.
Around us nationstates were formed and in Germany every little ruler had his own turf and his own privileges to defend and the Kaiser didn't have much power. We were pretty powerless like that it we paid a huge price.
After the 100 years war was over France became a strong continental power and in the 30 years war Germany descended onto itself and everybody around us got to be part of it. We lost around 30% of our population in this massacre and it took us 150 years to dig us out of that catastrophy. To this day we have nursery rhymes about the horrors of the 30 years war.

Finally we got overrun by Napoleon despite being perfectly able to defend against him if we hadn't been a splintered nation. Many kingdoms fought with Napoleon against other German states.
This lit the fire of nationalism in Germany and it burnt for more than 150 years. It took the whole world twice (!) to extinguish it.
Back then everybody was for a unified Germany but the rulers still fought their games about influence in this larger nation. You can compare it with Germans support for the EU today. There is a strong support for federalization of the EU in Germany and there is a constant battle in Brussels over the hegemony of the EU.
This comparison is quite apt really. We are so pro-EU in the same way we were so pro-Germany in the 19th century.

Napoleon maybe?! With that dude around, you get tough or get annexed

>English prefere to live around shores and Isolate their Habits,developing a Kind of arrogance paired with light-mindedness and narcissism,they are meek in every part of their calmed dedication,which turns into beeing despicable and aggressive though,if the Occasion is requiring it.

I am aware

The American/English influence in Germany is real. It's so bad, it makes me feel bad. I even hear some Germans sprinkling "like" into their sentences now.
>plz_kill_me.jpg

I agree with the impression that Germans are an inherently obedient people, which is both an advantage and disadvantage. It depends where you aim them. Lead them to the left, and they become the most cucked, pussified people on the planet; lead them to the right, and suddenly you've got the strongest, most formidable nation the world has ever seen.

verfassungen.de/de/bw/wuertt-b-befreiungsgesetz46.htm

Sounds reasonable desu.
They could have gotten away with genociding us like we tried to do so in the east, these rules are fair in this context.
Also look at japland, they didnt turn out like us and are even emancipating themselves from the anti-militarism rules, so that we are probably at fault on our own.

It is an exception.

Hard times create strong men.
If the intensity of cuckedness increases the amount of hardness the German men of the future can draw their experience from,we will be as powerful as never seen before.

I don't buy this and it sounds like amerishart propaganda desu. russia experienced similarly devastating casualties, where is their mass cuckoldry? European nations experienced death en masse during war for hundreds of years, that didn't stop them from colonizing the rest of the world. conversely, America did NOT experience significant casualties. our supposed "warrior" class survived intact. those "warriors" and their descendants let in a bunch of Mexicans, allowed their daughters to buy jew propaganda., etc. so much for that

Wanting to win

youtube.com/watch?v=300D3GXH4fc

You will be 90% brown in 50 years.
Excuse us for not taking you too seriously... :^)

>Who was Otto von Bismarck

>we will be as powerful as never seen before
Please, do this. For the sake of the world. Uncuck America while you're at it, if that's even still possible.
>le (less than) 56% feel
I work in a warehouse in Wisconsin, and I already hear half English, half Spanish at work. It's bizarre. It's so weird to actually see it happening.

Not really.
The browns are going to left when there are no more gibs

Landlocked between France and Russia

>Why was Germany so Right-Wing and nationalist from its formation as a country in 1871 up until the end of WWII?
It wasn't. Germany was statolatric and militarist, this isn't necessarily right wing. Besides, religiosity and christianity was already dying at that time in Germany, not many people gave a flying fuck about lutheranism, although Bismarck himself was a believer. Anyway, at the turn of the 20th century christianity became a meme in Germany, this is why Nazis could step in and provide some replacement in the form of paganism. The french bill about separation of church and state of 1905 was modelled after Bismarck's Germany and his anticatholic Kulturkampf. Germany's right wing and conservatism is a meme

I hope this was an intentional shitpost
The desire for a united Reich was always there, but the the rulers of the different parts blocked it out, during the Napoleonic times the need for a united germany was more obvious than ever and there was a need for reorganisation because Nappy dissolved the HRE. After Napoleon was beaten the Volk was cucked by the rulers and nationalists were punished, they wanted to reimplement the old order (Restauration) The censoring backlashed and lead to even more nationalism in the people, forcing the rulers to act. The question was if Prussia or Austria will unite Germany and Prussia was more modern and had better military that could beat France and enable the formation
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Prussian_War
Italy could only form because of the desire to unite Germany and it wasn't about defending against Austria (would be kinda shizo)

I think we will make all Germans in the US turn back to their former culture,just like for all other groups.
If you want you could become a more authoritarian Republic,or a colony of Britain/France if that pleases you.
The cucked Americans could be deportated to the southwest to whiten up all Latinos living there.

Also the Latin American countries can and will be then ruled by German dictators. Most likely Fascist,because you know,Boys from Brazil *cough* *cough*.
As in WW1&2,the Goal would be too get back all German land and get Europe under our dominance,establishing colonies for everyone who wants outside of the continent and finally getting borders and politics right.

For Hispanics I would sppose to breed them back to Indians,Iberians and Africans, post-Cold War it just showed that their mixing has been too intense.

>Germany
>Right-Wing

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He actually believes this, look at pic related. Look at what the biggest party was in the election before the great war.

Rejecting Christianity is one of the most conservative/redpilled things that you can do.
Preserving is pretty much the opposite of prasing weakness/sickness uezs (Not advocating for le adheism :DD tho)

For all you faggots sucking off Bismark, there would have been no world wars without him. Without a centralized Germany, WWI would have remained a fairly local conflict. For instance, Austria-Hungary might have avoided war entirely without Germany as backup.
A centralized currency gave too much power to the bankers, and centralization is ultimately the cause of the Weimar Republic hyperinflation. The formation of larger and larger superstates is what allows power to fall into the wrong hands, and bankers understand this.
Bismark was a pawn of jewish bankers, specifically
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerson_von_Bleichröder

Without Bismark and his financiers, Königsberg would still be German.

...

Looking forward to the day that Germany returns to its roots in proper government.

Prussia was anything but glorious, it was autism at the scale of a population, germans have never lost so much territory than under prussianism and they were the main reason why millions of young european men got slaughtered for nothing when we could have comfortably ruled the rest of the world for one or two more centuries.

> European nations experienced death en masse during war for hundreds of years

Kek, that's so fucking wrong, there was more casualties in the first year of WW1 than in all european wars that ever happened, even napoleonic battles were fucking jokes compared to what happened the century after.

Industrial warfare is horror.

a man can dream, can't he?

>Surrender monkey still salty because of 1870/71

Relax Pierre

You sound butt hurt, dude. What did prevent you from ruling the world for one more century after the war?

You are finding excuses for your own cuckoldry.

You've got a point ofc, but there were much more people around in 1914 than in 1812. Much, much more. And the 30 years war slew a third of the German population.

>germans have never lost so much territory than under prussianism
wat?

name a country that wasn't nationalist during that time period

Yeah, niggers tend to develop like that.

Gib back Elsass and Lorenz you fucking sandniggers.
The Nation is the speaking tongue, not a piece of paper.

That's what Germany should look like anyways(pic related)
Nope,Bismarck should have advised Willhelm II on how to deal with politics,the Left and Europe.
The Germans should have done what they should have done,ally with Russia,which would make Italy loyal and declare war on Austria and France when war breaks out.
The Balkan Alliance,Russia,Italy and Germany would have crushed Austria in a month,then Italy and Austria would turn to France,winning there and the Ottomans would still bombard Crimea causing the Russians,Greeks and Bulgarians to attack them.
WW1= Over by Christmas,without Britain or America intervening.

All because Bismarck most famous phrase:"Make a good treaty with Russia" was followed.
Stop it for the love of god,you know that's not right. Shit without any meaning what you're saying there,desu.
No,Christianity has brought more Things than primitive Paganism and don't touch the Varg sauces. Christcucks,Paganshits,Fedorras are all disgusting, still establish and practice real Christianity wherever you can.
The Old Greeks converted to it,the German tribes,the Romans.
Not an Argument and unrelated to this thread.
Shut the fuck up leaf.

>Why was Germany so Right-Wing and nationalist from its formation as a country in 1871

>white race
>couln't make a fucking country until 1871

Tell me, where is Prussia know Hans?
We ate your lunch during the last 1000 years kraut, from Bouvines to Auerstedt.
Even when we lose we still win.

Also:
>a Thousand-Year Reich
.top kek


>baboon living in a third world slum thinking I care about what he is thinking

I like you French,you are our Carolingian Brothers.
But stop this idiocy.
It was the Wilhelminian Era,had Wilhelm not been crippled as an Infant all this autism would not have occured,it was not Prussia.

>Even when we lose we still win.

What ? You Morons were always fucled by England which used you when it acted against us. And you fools always followed.
And after WW2 you went full autist fighting lost wars for your stupid colonies because you couldnt forget the four weeks were you got Rommel rushed. How did that went heh ?

There is a Thing called Habsburg and pol autism,if one is ignored and the other applies to your post,we can tell what the Problem of your post is.

Because most who had opposed Prussia's power left when the 1848 revolutions failed.

Many ended up in the USA.

You will never take the Rhineland and have not.
Just like you will never establish rule over us.
Better see where the enemy is.

WE

Welfare takes time to rot a high-IQ society from the inside out. But it always does.

>Shut the fuck up leaf.

>Wait that guy just provided empirical evidence that the German Empire wasn't particularly conservative FUCK tell him to shut up, that'll show him

Master race

Germany was not as nationalsitic as you think... Marxism is born in Germany. In 1919-1920 Germany almost became like the USSR....

Even Hitler in Mein Kempf criticizes post-Bismark German politics because too "lefty" and filled with labour parties, strikes and communsit propaganda.

Stop beliving that everyone in Germany was the stereotypical prussian that you got in your brian.

The SPD was essentially conservative in most Things,the Germans would not have betrayed values for gibs,the Commies left when the uSPD was established.

>There is a Thing called Habsburg and pol autism,if one is ignored and the other applies to your post,we can tell what the Problem of your post is.

Why Germans escaped en mass from his wonderful white made country to Other Continents?

Yet by a Jew,who was not accepted well and he moved to Belgium and England,because Prussia was not accepting that.
The time Marxism came back was when a Polish Jewess and a Dutch Anarchist tried to troll their neighbours and we know what happened.

Stop trolling and remember what Mussolini was.

lol

>Pivotally, these circles were not spontaneous instances of solidarization between traumatized war survivors, but the product of Social Democratic Party (SPD) and Communist Party (KPD) veterans reactivating prewar networks. Albrecht Lein reports that the core of the Braunschweig Antifa was made up of KPD and SPD members in their forties and fifties who had avoided the front, though Catholic workers’ organizations and other forces were also involved.

jacobinmag.com/2017/05/antifascist-movements-hitler-nazis-kpd-spd-germany-cold-war

Wars,Diseases,Overpopulation,Hunger and political Situation.
Mostly caused by named Dynasty and their incestual asperger.

>Bismarck should have advised Willhelm II
the jewshy cort advaised wilhem to build the kraigsmarine, which started a fire in international relationships, bismarck opposed it
Kaiserliche Marine=colonies=challenge Uk colonial domination=war
hitler explains it in mein kampf

Continentals are physically unable to stop coming up with shit ideologies and fighting over them. They're fucking subhumans, all of them.

Okay I actually partially agree. There were many opportunities for Europe to get back on the correct train tracks. I still believe that unification was one of the first big mistakes.

A very similar unification happened in America at the same time: the American Civil War. It was this unification which ultimately empowered our political class to make us fight the world wars. Up until Lincoln, the individual states could threaten to secede if they wanted peace. After Lincoln, the States had very little power to stop wars. This is why I hate centralization.

so are we talking about pre-war or post-war politics?
ofc, post war the SPD grew more left after the war, but that isn't what we were debating

SHUT UP OR TAKE THE RIGHT CAN YOU NIGGERS.
youtube.com/watch?v=4RWPnEQYKkA

>russia experienced similarly devastating casualties, where is their mass cuckoldry?

have you actually looked at the state of russian society outside of propaganda you see on the internet? It's hell

>National socialist cucks who gave up their guns
>Right wing

>implying

The USPD/Spartakusbund wasn't very large and even the SPD was fiercly opposed to them in the Novemberrevolution. They got quickly rekt by right-wing militias.
Besides, these Gommies weren't even German. Most of them were jewish.

>and declare war on Austria and France when war breaks out.
Probably the stupidest way to make alternative history. Germans would have rather thrown their weapons to the ground than fight each other in 1914.

>self proclaimed post national country full of mutts with no culture outside of quebecois giving lessons on what makes a nation.

Don't you have some dog to blow leaf? Also everything west to the Rhine is rightful french clay.

Do I have to make a comparative map between the HRE and current Germany?

Prussia was all about militarism and carving itself an Empire by force (which was antithesis to what germans were doing during centuries), in short it was imperialistic and expansionist at core, not only this failed in a horrible bloodbath for all Europe but its territories that have been under german control for centuries have now vanished.
I don't even speak about the construction of german identity, prussianism has fucked up you so much that your population hates itself and its history.

Should have Germany united under Austria the continent would have been much more stable in the centuries following.
But hey you got patriotic music, pointy hats and nazism so I bet worth it right?