Does Capitalism deliberately make bad products?

Does Capitalism deliberately make bad products?

Reasons for?
Reasons against?

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Define 'bad', in this case it might be taken to mean 'intentionally unprofitable'

also, not really lit

Capitalism isn't conscious, so it can't do anything deliberately. It does allow people to make bad products, though (and to make good ones as well).

Certain technology has inbuild lower life expectancy - don't know what else to call it - so there's you have it.

A business might make something that will break in order for someone to purchase again. If you're asking about longevity of products, yes and no.

Are products made to appeal to a negative social outcome? Yes. Not even Marxists view capitalism as being degenerative and destroying artisanship, not to mention it appeals to the worst in people.

People who aren't even Marxists view*

OP here, that's what I was aiming at, can you explain how you believe this to work?

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No such thing as "bad product, " just supply and demand. If the product sells (satisfy others' need), who are you to say it's bad?

Today's capitalism has to promise desire fulfilled, but it can never fulfill it, because then its products would become obsolete.
It's carrot-and-stick by default, plunging us into an eternal cycle of longing and disappointment (followed by a kind of replacement-fulfillment, but that's besides the point)

Yes. There's a famous case in which i can't recall the name during the 20's where a light bulb company drastically decreased their production quality so they would break easier with the only consequence that they sold even more lightbulbs. There are also alot of shady cases with electronic companies including Apple making eletronic equipment that shuts down at a specific date efter being bought. The most widely known example today is nylon stockings. Before in time these would hold several years. Now most of them break after an evening out.

>mfw as soon as the number of Sup Forumstards starts waning we get invaded by /leftypol/

I'll try.
There is no law under the system that makes good products the end product. Instead it is profit that guides, or even determines, what the end product becomes. If you want to sell smarty phones, with a new edition every year, it is in your best interest that people don't cling onto the older edition, so it pays off to make them obsolete quickly.

Sometimes you can maximize profit by having high quality products. But perhaps more often than not, it does not. I like to think of junkfood. You just hijack people's inbuild taste and get them hooked on bad quality food.

I like to think as capitalism as a system similar as ecological (evolutionary) systems. In the environment it is about maximizing fitness, in the economy it is maximizing profit. And when I say that, don't assume that reputation, prestige, values and so on, aren't incorporated in that maximizing in profit.

If your product has a bad reputation or prestige, or conflicts with people's values, it might not be able to make a profit. So these sort of things shape in what way profit is maximized. But I ain't no economist so maybe I got this all wrong.

>people can't want things that are bad

are you talking about planned obsolescence?
Because the answer is no, that is not a concept exclusive to capitalism.

This is pretty babby and normie to think or question though. Most of my liberal professors say something like "capitalism makes us happy, but are we... really happy?"

That's pretty much IJ in a nutshell.

Aren't you forgetting that desire cannot ever be fulfilled, because desire changes all the time?

WHY?! WHY MUST YOU TORMENT ME SO WITH THESE JEZEBELS? My one single wish is to be left to my own asexual devices, free from the thorned grip of perverse tempation, unclouded or swayed in my noble search for intellectual playthings of the mind, yet by your hand I am endlessly titillated by these vixens with their prodigious hips and provocative figures. Can I never satiate this thirst, will I ever know the touch of a woman and enter between her loins? Will these hands ever feel a woman's swaying weight in their open palms? Will I ever know a plump, ruby pair of lips perched betwixt my shoulder and my ear, whispering "I want you, I want you now" in that chocolatey croon I know so well from dreamtime? Will my seed ever drip from her moistened hole, indicating the completed unity of our unhinged sexual impulses?

Life is a constant hell. Day in and out the tired red eyes glaze in some attempt to shield me from these images. I am floating in the blistering heat of my id's vacuum, castrated and blinded by my wretched libido. No wonder I resent women so.

>Reasons For
Cheaper to manufacture, raises chances of the user needing to purchase again

>Reasons Against
Decrease in customer satisfaction and brand image

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No only Apple does!

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Whatever cheap that sells good mate.

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bad is a meaningless term

I didn't need to see this...

"Capitalism" doesn't make anything. People make products they think will sell and bring them to market. If they do they stay on the market. If they don't the product goes away. Do I think that some people intentionally cheap out on later versions of an already popular product? Sure.

no. it's what the people want

In my experience with vidya, a company may release an unfinished product in order to monetize future upgrades. Like DLC in video games.

Also in the early 2000s with the Xbox 360. I had to replace mine twice due to the red ring of death shit. They later "fixed" the issue with I believe the 'slim' version, but it is speculated that they released it knowing it had a malfunction, similar to the Ford Pinto.

Reasons against: By releasing a lesser quality product you allow for competition to seize the market by releasing a superior product. However, by releasing a lesser product, if you already have an upgraded version you are still able to compete with any competitors at least in the beginning.

So there could be reasons, but they're all for greed.

>don't know what to call it

Built-in obsolescence

Slavery is the pinnacle of capitalism.
no wage expense= higher profits

Businessmen will make whatever you will pay them to make.

Planned obsolesence is literally one of the worst ideas since aryan eugenics. Capitalism is actually garbage.

What board

capitalism does not care as long as it makes a buck.

/lit/

yes, it is. there is no real reason not to see workers as capital and use them like property. It's only feels and "rights" that stop capitalism from capitalising people.

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Capitalism doesn't actually solve poverty. THis is why we should switch to Communism.
Communism doesn't work? It hasn't been truly implemented since Communism needs Democracy

Te existance of cheap shit that breaks every two seconds is not a failing of capitalism...that's a failing of you as the consumer to not buy cheap shit that breaks every two seconds.
You see...businesses can only sell what the consumer is willing to buy. Therefore if you, as the consumer, were not willing to pay hundreds of dollars for cheap shit that breaks every two seconds businesses would have stopped trying to sell you cheap shit that breaks every two seconds long ago.

Vote with your wallet.
Capitalism 101 boss.

people buy bad products cause they are cheaper

and brands now dont have to produce quality stuff since people buy them just for name

as long as the goyim are stupid enough to still buy they deserve nothing less

Lenin said something like that.

Communism only benefits those who are the ruling class and those who already had nothing; Which is retarded as communism isn’t supposed to have classes

Reasons?
How about law.
Too lazy to look it up, but the industrial revolution was so successful with engineering that long lasting motors were halted in production "to protect the industry and employer" when it actually just brand about the temporary shelf life most products have today

I know that feel.

But society as a whole benefits from workers having wages, since it lets people buy whatever stuff they want which stimulates the market

What's wrong with aryan eugenics?

Yes. They design things to break. There used to be a rechargeable battery that cluld work for cenruries and not wear out. And forget about real innovation. Theres a reason why we dont all drive electric cars or hybrids that get 1000+ mpg. The tech ezists but its not profitable. 3rd position now!

Yes. Theyres a lightbulb theats been running flr 120 years straight. Smartphone updates are designed on purpose to slow down your phone so they can annoy you into buying a new one

capitalism does not care about society as a whole.

We need national socialist economics

it is rubbish pseudoscience, baltics are some of the "purest" europeans yet they behave like russians when it comes to HIV and murder rate

baltics are pretty based.

Theres no other option. You need a phone and the only ones that exist are all built like shit. Theres a reason 80s computers still exist, theyre made with the best quality components and materials ive ever seen(i have a few). It will be around another 40 years. There wont be any iphone xs then at all

As long as the companies think they can get away with it legally and still have people buy their stuff. A great example is computers. You can choose an iShit that breaks after one drop or Samdung that explodes in your pocket. Since all the other phone companies are making garbage, Samdung and Applel feel like it's ok to make slightly more expensive garbage with their logo on it. There isn't any real competition and capitalism fails to crack down on planned obsolescence. My phone that I pay $600 for shouldn't be designed to break beyond repair in 2 years just because the company is too lazy to innovate hard enough to make me want to upgrade regularly. Capitalism causes stagnation and a lack of competition because nobody has any meaningful rules to play by, so they all cheat. And then there's the whole Intel and AMD thing where they'll add another core or increase the clock speed by 20HMz each year, and they'll collude with software companies like Microsoft to not create backwards-compatible drivers, forcing you to use the latest version of their OS if you want something as critical as iGPU support. I hate them all and I have no real alternatives to these fucking kikes.

Depends what you mean by bad... if you mean breaks after a certain time theres a reason, its called ongoing profit and the term is

Planned obselesance

Capitalism doesn't make products, people do.

people are at fault as well, everyone only wants "new" and "shiny" products

they pretty much get what they "wanted"...

>another mods won't let a board discuss things episode

That jacket can't be real. Who the fuck is buying it?

capitalism produces whatever there is a market for. if people want shit, they'll get shit

A true ironist.
That, or the same who buy Che Guevara t-shirst..

No, China does. Now fuck off.

Not always.
Communism does, though.

>they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work

Then don't buy an iPhoneX. Buy from smaller manufacturers. Ones that are popular in the asian market and are expanding are a good bet. I know it sounds counter-productive but because they're just breaking out into the market they're often forced to provide higher quality products in order to compete.

Most important of all...make your voice heard. Make it clear that the reason you're not buying the iPhone XI or the Samsung Galaxy Nuke 9 is because you want a high-quality long lasting product.

>“If you nail two things together that have never been nailed together before, some schmuck will buy it from you.” – George Carlin.

Think about razors as well; Straightrazors would stay sharp for practically generations, there’s no money in that, so you make a bunch of shitty razors you’ll eventually have to throw away and sell them at a premium

Neither
Capitalism makes the products people want to buy.
Shit society = shit products
Its that simple

Duh. How else are they going to sell you a new product in a few months/years? A capitalistic company does not make things that last, they make things that need to be replaced for more money.
Simple free market economics.

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>Does Capitalism deliberately make bad products?
Capitalism doesn't "make" anything. People makes the choice to make things.

And there are cheats, crooks, and skinflints in every economic system. Capitalism is simply the system that makes it easier and more direct to "punish" those bad actors by denying them your currency.

stop buying shit. you get what you pay for, neet.

>Does Capitalism deliberately make
>Does Capitalism make
A market system doesn't make anything. The people working under it do. You can't blame an entire system if Dollar General sells a sub-par version of what Best Buy sells. You get what you pay for, period.

Yes, capitalism deliberately makes:

- very bad products with a very low price
- bad products with a low price
- average products with an average price
- good products with an above-average price
- very good products with a high price

Your question would encompass points 1 and 2 in the list above.

>$375

Get the fuck out. What's sad is that some hipster cunt would actually buy that shit.

I can go to Aussie Disposals and buy an ex-military Olive-drab field jacket for 25 bucks and scribble schizophrenic ramblings on it with a sharpie.

>talks about seizing means of production
>seizes their parent’s credit card to buy that cringe shit
Hipsters stand for everything they protest

capitalism deliberately conserves scarce resources