Are people born gay or choose to be gay?
Are people born gay or choose to be gay?
Kevin Bennett
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Josiah Kelly
>gamma goblin made my blood green again
Samuel Lewis
Behavior is a choice.
Luke Bailey
Through school all the gay kids and the really feminine/borderline faggot dudes, always had a beta dad or no father figure in their life. Gays are made, they are the ultimate beta
Carter Hernandez
There's enough physical characteristics to assume some portion of it being innate. Probably due to the environment in the womb.
Nathaniel Clark
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Julian Wright
Both.
Zachary Thomas
This
Grayson Ortiz
Why do 99% of people seem to think it must be one or the other? It could be both depending on the individual.
Owen Gray
I have heard that there have been many studies done, and that all of them find that there is no significant genetic component specifically for homosexuality. Understand that the possibility remains that genetics can still play a part, in that it might somehow make one susceptible to homosexuality, under the right environmental circumstances, etc.
Samuel Bennett
Because religious people claim it is a choice to enhance their social standing and enable discrimination against gay people.
Ethan Phillips
H-Y Antigen and Homosexuality in Men
Blanchard, Klassen
1997
In men, sexual orientation correlates with the number of older brothers, each additional older brother increasing the odds of homosexuality by approximately 33%. It is hypothesized that this fraternal birth order effect reflects the progressive immunization of some mothers to Y-linked minor histocompatibility antigens (H-Y antigen) by each succeeding male fetus, and the concomitantly increasing effects of H-Y antibodies on the sexual differentiation of the brain in each succeeding male fetus. This hypothesis is consistent with a variety of evidence, including the apparent irrelevance of older sisters to the sexual orientation of later-born males, the probable involvement of H-Y antigen in the development of sex-typical traits, and the detrimental effects of immunization of female mice to H-Y antigen on the reproductive performance of subsequent male offspring.
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The biology of sexual orientation has been studied in detail in several animal model systems. In the common fruit fly Drosophila melanogaster, the complete pathway of sexual differentiation of the brain and the behaviors it controls is well established in both males and females, providing a concise model of biologically controlled courtship.[26] In mammals, a group of geneticists at the Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology altered the sexual preferences of female mice by removing a single gene linked to reproductive behavior. Without the gene, the mice exhibited masculine sexual behavior and attraction toward urine of other female mice. Those mice who retained the gene fucose mutarotase (FucM) were attracted to male mice.
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Female relatives of male homosexuals have 1.3x as many kids:
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Daniel Rogers
Hamer 1993:
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Hamer 1995:
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doi: 10.1038/ng1195-248
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Hamer 2006:
Human sexual preference is a sexually dimorphic trait with a substantial genetic component. Linkage of male sexual orientation to markers on the X chromosome has been reported in some families. Here, we measured X chromosome inactivation ratios in 97 mothers of homosexual men and 103 age-matched control women without gay sons. The number of women with extreme skewing of X-inactivation was significantly higher in mothers of gay men (13/97=13%) compared to controls (4/103=4%) and increased in mothers with two or more gay sons (10/44=23%). Our findings support a role for the X chromosome in regulating sexual orientation in a subgroup of gay men.
Extreme skewing of X chromosome inactivation in mothers of homosexual men
Hunter Taylor
Bailey 2014:
doi: 10.1017/S0033291714002451
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In the case of blood type and the Rh factor, however, interesting patterns emerged. Heterosexual males and females exhibited statistically identical frequencies of the A blood type, while gay men exhibited a relatively low inci- dence and lesbians had a relatively high incidence (p < .05). In the case of the Rh factor, unusually high proportions of homosexuals of both sexes were Rh- when compared to heterosexuals (p < .06). The findings suggest that a connec- tion may exist between sexual orientation and genes both on chromosome 9 (where blood type is determined) and on chromosome 1 (where the Rh factor is regulated).
Eye Color, Hair Color, Blood Type, and the Rhesus Factor: Exploring Possible Genetic Links to Sexual Orientation
Das S. 2007
Nicholas Howard
That's a false dichotomy.
No one is born gay, but they don't really "choose" it either. Sexual deviancy is a result of various adolescent experiences including but not limited to:
Being sexually abused
Failing with women
Lacking a father figure
Drinking fluoride
etc
Lincoln Morgan
Identical twins are not 100% identical due to differences in womb environment:
Mechanisms for differences in monozygous twins Paul Gringras, Wai Chen, 2001
doi:10.1016/S0378-3782(01)00171-2
Another issue is the recent finding that even monozygotic twins can be different and there is a mechanism which might account for monozygotic twins being discordant for homosexuality. Gringas and Chen (2001) describe a number of mechanisms which can lead to differences between monozygotic twins, the most relevant here being chorionicity and amniocity.[13] Dichorionic twins potentially have different hormonal environments because they receive maternal blood from separate placenta, and this could result in different levels of brain masculinisation. Monoamniotic twins share a hormonal environment, but can suffer from the 'twin to twin transfusion syndrome' in which one twin is "relatively stuffed with blood and the other exsanguinated"
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Twin resemblance was moderate for the 3,826 studied monozygotic and dizygotic same-sex twin pairs. Biometric modeling revealed that, in men, genetic effects explained .34–.39 of the variance, the shared environment .00, and the individual-specific environment .61–.66 of the variance. Corresponding estimates among women were .18–.19 for genetic factors, .16–.17 for shared environmental, and 64–.66 for unique environmental factors
from:
Långström N, Rahman Q, Carlström E and Lichtenstein P (2010) Genetic and environmental effects on same‐sex sexual behavior: a population study of twins in Sweden. Archives of Sexual Behavior 39(1): 75–80.
Joseph Lewis
Bailey 1991:
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doi: 10.1001/archpsyc.1991.01810360053008
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christiantoday.com
Straight males carry gay genes:
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Scientists find DNA differences between gay men and their straight twin brothers:
A novel predictive model of sexual orientation using epigenetic markers.
Authors: T. C. Ngun [1]; W. Guo [2]; N. M. Ghahramani [3]; K. Purkayastha [1]; D. Conn [4]; F. J. Sanchez [5]; S. Bocklandt [1]; M. Zhang [2,6]; C. M. Ramirez [4]; M. Pellegrini [7]; E. Vilain [1]
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Androgen receptor gene linked to XQ28
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Jose Rogers
wrong.
let's assume there is a 'gay gene' - how does it get passed on?
>protip: it can't because gays don't procreate
Owen Flores
Retards want an excuse to justify disliking someone on the basis of their private sexual orientation. Notice how I say private. Next the idiots say, 'but you guys always flaunt it' because the average retard is incapable of seperating individuals from their own generalizations.
Xavier Campbell
The thing is I'm gay but the circumstances of my life flies in the face of all the 'biological' arguments for homosexuality
Joshua Perez
Choose to be gay
Leo Diaz
Exactly. Neuroscience is on our side on this.
Tyler James
>being trans isn't a choice!
>but gender is a social construct!
how does this work
Owen Flores
Every fag I've ever met, which admittedly is very few, have all been like stereotypical caricatures. It's like they read some guidebook on how to be a lispy feminine buttboy
Nicholas Myers
Your anecdotal evidence proves absolutely nothing.
Elijah Morales
That's great, what was I trying to prove?
Henry Davis
underrated poast
John Clark
If it was a choice I would've chosen to be gay a long time ago.
Fuck women
Jason Baker
Nothing because you have no point.
Brayden Lopez
> my blood green again
Fuck, I saw weird nip horror about that shit once
Evan Thompson
You're right, it was an observation and not a point. I'm glad we had this talk.
Hunter Johnson
So?
Joseph Bell
It's a mix of both environmental and hereditary and congenial factors.
David Fisher
>it's a one of the multiple choice answers are meant to be comic relief exam
Tyler Anderson
There is an uncountable number of atoms with uncountable numbers of interactions.
How the brain's structure is formed.
How the chemical soup of the womb interacts with the brain.
The precise make up of said chemical soup.
Environment growing up.
No one chooses anything.
Zachary Murphy
>muh big words
Alexander Gutierrez
whether they are born gay does not excuse their degenerate behavior.
We can't all just behave the way we want. And for instance, consume stuff and not pay.
Considering the gays to be born gay is pretty Sup Forums actually. The homo is gay by nature and there is no second guessing. Rehabilitation doesn't really work. what works is restraining the gay or increasing the volts.
Jack Flores
The study, titled “Choices: Perspectives of Younger Gay Men on Monogamy, Non-monogamy and Marriage,” was conduced by researchersBlake Spears and Lanz Lowen. They surveyed over 800 single, monogamously-coupled, and non-monogamously coupled gay menages 18-40 years about their relationships. A handful of “monogamish” men were also interviewed.
“The most striking finding of this study is younger gay men’s greater inclination toward monogamy,” the researchers report. “We see this in the overwhelming number of relationships that are monogamous (86percent). In addition, 90percentof the single younger gay men were seeking monogamy. This is a sea change compared to older generations of gay men.”
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Austin Lee
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Carter Watson
Heterosexual men are aroused by gay porn more than homosexual men are by females in porn:
indiana.edu
Lucas Garcia
Just never get horny again its easy
Lucas Moore
Gay monogamy is "we only fuck other guys as a couple, never alone"
Gabriel Kelly
You can't choose who you're attracted to.
You can choose to act or not on those feelings of attraction.
Ryan Rodriguez
I would post a link to a church pastor that used to be gay but was born again in the holy spirit and is now a straight, married man but I'm too lazy.
Nicholas Bell
They specifically addressed that in the study. They classified men who wanted that as "monogamish". The point is younger gays are far more likely to hold monogamy up as an ideal. Now that gay sex isn't a criminal act we don't have to do it in secret so we can actually openly have relationships now.
Jason Mitchell
Its a fetish. Nothing more. Its called degeneracy.
Colton Gomez
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Landon Cooper
While they were developing they probably modeled after their mother's behaviors instead of their fathers who they may or may not have even known
Ayden Rogers
I would post a link to all those church pastors that pay gay hookers to suck them off but I'm too lazy.
Luke Hall
Interesting
Anthony Smith
If the medical sciences had been left that fuck alone and not infiltrated and subverted by politics then we would probably know by now. Before the massive liberal movements it was considered a mental illness, but it was changed to a "sexual orientation" (pseudo-science) because of political pressure.
It is a mental illness because it inhibits reproduction. Reproduction is a natural biological process. Sexual attraction to the opposite sex is an integral element of this process. Homosexuality is a paraphilia that inhibits capability to carry out a natural biological process thus it is a condition, or mental illness.
I dont think people choose to be gay, and I also dont think homosexuality is one condition, I think its an unbrella term for a wide variety of yet un-studied conditions. I think some people are born with other mental illnesses (like mild autism, bipolar etc) and are thus predisposed to homosexuality from birth, I think some people turn out gay purely because of environmental factors.
Two of my friends turned out gay and it just so happened they both had single mother households and many, many sisters.
I think homosexuality is an outcome that can be reached via many paths.
Eli Clark
yeah it doesn't have to be genetic to be born gay
Juan Richardson
I think so too. I fit the NARTH father relationship pattern theory almost perfectly
Evan Morales
That and twins can lie about same sex attraction. Most of these studies are from an earlier era where most gay people were in the closet. You could have two bisexual twins, one chooses to marry a woman, one chooses to marry a man. Therefore one might publicly identify as gay because he is same-sex married and the other one might not because people don't need to know that and it literally reduces the suicide rate for bisexual men to stay in the closet because of how shitty they are treated:
Bisexual men who marry women are less likely to commit suicide:
Christian Collins
> "ur 4th kid is a guaranteed fag"
Shut the fuck up and accept the fact that your degeneracy is not a byproduct of anything except your beta father and overprotective mother.
Parker Williams
Learn 2 math. That doesn't mean that.
Thomas James
He obviously meant to type "congenital", don't be a bitch
Elijah Watson
>Are people born gay or choose to be gay?
Born, wich means no guilt, the guilt comes when they decide not to follow medical and psychological tratment to get cured.
There's no guilt in being daltonic but you need to realise that you have a problem and don't ignore the reality
Nicholas Harris
People say, it is part environmental to imply that it is a choice. Anything else in their statement is irrelevant. If someone who is not a scientist comes to pol to spout off on "environmental" causes they have no idea what they are talking about 99% of the time.
There are NO studies that directly prove people choose to have same sex attraction.
Being colorblind is only a problem if you want to be a pilot.
Parker Reyes
Are people born jews or choose to be jews?
Christian Butler
>Being colorblind is only a problem if you want to be a pilot.
Or if you drive your car ignoring the traffic
lights cause "It's your reality and everyone else shoul accept it".
Also being gay is only a problem if you want to get a couple
Carson Thomas
Over 20% of gays have kids.
Cooper Cruz
The lifestyle is a choice, the orientation isn't. I don't believe there is a gay gene, but I do believe there may be some genetic disposition to become gay through environmental factors, which is mostly from being molested or having a traumatic experience with the opposite sex as a child.
Gayfag here. I do think it's a mental illness, possibly caused by toxoplasmosis gondii, which could also explain why a lot of gay men are promiscuous. If you aren't having sex for reproduction/practice, you are degenerate. That's why my dom bf puts me in a chastity device to help me focus on things other than sex and to stay monogamous. I highly recommend it if you are struggling like I am.
Justin Cooper
Trick question. Gays are not people in the first place
Jack Nelson
Gas yourself
Luke Diaz
So?
Down syndromes are allowed to breed and, in some places, to vote. That doesn't cure them, just makes the illness spread.
Wyatt Morales
Nothing cures gay people. You just want to harm us and you don't have a right to harm others.
Levi Rogers
none of the above
some environmental conditioning factor causes it
genetics MIGHT play some minor role to make individuals more susceptible than others but most likely not.
Henry Lewis
>Nothing cures gay people
Electric chair does, can't be gay if you're dead.
Jacob Nelson
Nothing cures daltonic people and I don't want to harm you, just bothers me how the gay lobby tries to normalize a mental illnes, and not even normalize but make it cool and trendy.
and btw good answer...
Brayden Cruz
see image
It isn't a mental illness:
psc.dss.ucdavis.edu
Anthony Jackson
It's not a heritable trait, unless a closet dweller is producing kids.
I think environment acts on certain genes to make someone inclined that way.
t.BPsych
Jaxson Garcia
getting horny is not a behavior, it is a condition. Incidental sexual attraction to a male is not homosexuality. Homosexuality is characterized by the act of engaging in actual sexual interactions with a person of the same sex.
People are not born gay, nor do they choose it. Mental illness isn't a choice. The level of agency a mentally ill person retains is a matter of debate, but any pathology by definition removes your ability to meaningfully consent. Therefore, I think you can choose not to be gay, but you cannot choose to be gay.
Resisting a pathological compulsion like homosexuality is an act of will. Giving in to a compulsion is an act which springs from a lack of will. For instance, you can choose to stifle the reflexive instinct to flinch when someone throws a baseball in your direction. However, if you do flinch, the choice was made for you by your baser instinct.
Colton Bennett
>It isn't a mental illness:
>Posts some non-cited article with a gay pride flag underlining the title from a backwater university in commiefornia
Next to no research into politically charged / controversial topics can be trusted now days.
Any science with unpopular conclusions will not be accepted for publish by academic journals, anything with unpopular hypotheses will not recieve funding from research bodies.
Henry Carter
Shouldn't you be taking care of your hemorroid?
Adrian Green
Wow, 3rd match on Google..
It IS a mental illness, you being attracted towards a member of the same gender goes against all nature, living beings first purpose is to reproduce and keep the species and to achieve that, your brain leads you to breed with the opposite sex.
If you try to couple with another male or a tree makes no difference, you're either stupid or badly wired.
Julian Gutierrez
compulsion is not tho. So both statements depend on each other.
Ian Perez
I don't think being gay falls into that. You can't choose what gets you horny.
Adrian Miller
gay people were usually molested as children
Jacob Reyes
>born
>choose
>why no 'taught'
Give me 10 4 year olds and I could make them sexually deviant at the rate of 7/10. For fun I will try to make one a sociopathic killer. I wont say which, it will be fun to guess.
Grayson Harris
>You can't choose what gets you horny.
no but your tastes can be altered by your experiences
go read Alfred Kinsey's book
Grayson Anderson
It’s a deeply unconscious choice made in very early childhood, which becomes more or less fixed and immutable by puberty.
Angel Torres
The nature argument doesn't really work since a ton of animals engage is gay acts and gay men can reproduce and have reproduced if they wanted to with females.
Noah Hughes
Straight males carry gay genes:
Chase Wilson
Maybe, but the root is there. Yeah for some people being molested probably has something to do with it, but it's not like all faggots were molested or had experienced that altered them.
Adrian Walker
Of course they can, animals fuck each other for the fun, i can understand that in humans tho (degenerate yes, but thats another thing), and gay men can reproduce if they want but that doesn't go against the mental illness statement. as I said, a diabetic can eat sugar even when his body doesn't stand for it
Gabriel Jackson
oh c'mon. getting it removed from the DSM book was a whole political movement thing that involved... it almost pains me to say it b/c it's so cliché... gay jewish psychologists infiltrating the review boards and black balling any dissenting opinions while other jewish activists would disrupt any sort of talks with opposing opinions outright. And it was all coordinated. (((They))) even take pride in that history of their cultural marxist subversion now.
Tyler Brown
0. Behaviour is created in the brain.
1. Your brain is built from genetic material.
2. Choice is a form of behaviour.
3. Thus your choices are affected by genetic material.
q.e.d bitch go back to school
Jordan Nguyen
Diabetics do sometimes need sugar though.... Besides it's not like diabetes is a mental illness. You can't really compare it since people don't really need to reproduce like diabetics sometimes need insulin to live.
And humans also have sex for fun.
Isaac Ward
you're born gay, but sometimes it takes 20-50 years before you realize it..?
Jack Wilson
A lot of the time people just hide or deny it even though it's so obvious. Like Kevin Spacey.
Jason Wright
do mothers act like faggots?
Isaiah Wood
I know it's not the same, just pointing that a body malfunction will let you live normally if you know it and how to live with it, can say the same about schizophrenia but guess you'll take it bad.
About having sex for fun I already agreed with you see
>animals fuck each other for the fun, i can understand that in humans too (degenerate yes, but thats another thing)
Gavin Gomez
Choose. I know this from myself btw. I prefer to fuck girls but I also fapped to gay porn and traps a few times and almost went through with gay sex once.
Justin Campbell
animals never do anything for fun. Whenever some kike biologist reporter documentarist sees an animal "playing" its always followed by "training". Species X playfights because they need to learn how to fight etc.
Wyatt Wood
Genes can go different paths depending on the environment, I just said that.
Is syphilis eating away your brainstem or something?
Aaron Davis
choice
how can one be bi if it doesnt choose to like boys and girls
how does one need to be questioning their sexuality if its not a choice
Andrew Gutierrez
if it wasn't for Sup Forums I would have went through with it. I imagine this is how normie degenerates feel they have nothing to tell them that doing degeneracy is bad and that they should not fuck the boipucci or dress up in girly clothes and engage in lewd fantasies.
Colton Russell
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