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Refute this, Sup Forums

Is that why Venezuela failed, again?

Not real socialism

Socialism’s main goal is communism fucking loser!!!!

Plz kys

If Capitalists can sabotage and exploit every socialist country they must be doing something right.

You can't really refute it.
But at the same time if the US was socialist it would do the same thing to other countries or at least try.

They always find a way to blame everything on the USA. They'll find some resource deal, or policy agreement with the US and extrapolate it into a scheme to destabilize a socialist country to install a capitalist dictator who's under our thumb.

This is how socialists decieve themselves.

Capitalism is a word that has lost any meaning due to overusage and incorrect usage like racist and bigot.

Das ewige Opfer.

>Socialist countries need zero competition to be viable
>REEE THIS IS CAPITALISM'S FAULT!

Well, go live in a Socialist country if you love it.

What's hard to understand?

why do black markets form, but not black co-operatives?

what kind of society is that easily destroyed by other countries economically? are they retarded? fuck em

>plz no bully us you silly capitalists :'(

capitalists live in the animal kingdom and therefor survival of the fittest as opposed to the stagnation of going against natural law. op is always a fagot

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Well first off, Communism isn't forced by outside forces to create horrible dictatorships; it's a natural consequence of handing total power over to the government.

If socialism was so great, wouldn't it be impervious to capitalist meddling? Wouldn't they have a plan for that? Why is socialism's wekness always corrupt leaders who can't resist US bribery? Why do they always kickback social funds to themselves? Why is there still an underclass that can be rallied to rebellion by first world nation wreckers?

Or maybe they just call any interaction with tje first world "nation wrecking" so they don't have to admit the inherent flaws in socialism?

Glad you saw the light.

Socialism doesn't need to be sabotaged to fail. It is impossible to coordinate an economy centrally rather than through prices.

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I'm not reading your shitty screencaps, make up your own ideas cunt

Doesn’t proofread. Trash opinion.

It proves Capitalism is superior. Communism is too weak to exist on its own.

Yes. It is actually.

do i seize the means of production now, or?

Ah another slide thread. Shill abound.....

sage

>economic sabotage
sauce
>espionage
KEK the USSR did it too.
t. descendent of a spy
>assassinations
Part and parcel of the cold war.

>capitalists-
Are correct when talking about socialist countries. China didn't collapse, instead it went the capitalist way and it is thriving.

Also why do western socialists always look greasy?

>soyboy face

>>economic sabotage
I bet they mean
>bawww why are foreign countries no longer investing in my country after I seized all their capital? it's not fair!

It's like everyone had a stroke and forgot that for most of the history they're talking about the Soviet Union was a competing superpower doing much the same thing, even going to far as to incite saboteurs to create revolutions.

It's no excuse.

Communism just isn't very resistant to Capitalist competition because unplanned economies allow for more spontaneous wealth creation and thus prosperity.

So if a country gets sabotaged and assaulted when they become remotely socialist then why the fuck would you want that for your country? According to her it's literally the international version of suicide by cop, why would anyone want to be relentlessly attacked by other countries?

nooooooo dirty capitalist pigs

OP's claim is horseshit, but your logic isn't much better
>wtf why would i want free speech if i just get thrown in jail for it? how retarded

It's like when kangz claim black people were super advanced gods before caveman white people started colonizing them.

If Socialism worked, it would be able to defend against Capitalist attacks, the stronger system wins, the stronger system won.

That being said, both systems destroy culture, capitalism makes everything revolve around money, and I don't really know why communism destroys culture, but give me an example of a communist country with more to it's culture than brutalist architecture and starvation.

Even if it were true, OP. The issue then becomes Socialism fails because it cannot defend it's borders from hostile outsiders, and will always fail.

his argument isn't terribly dissimilar from the argument that nations can never be pacifistic because they would always be subject to those that aren't.

pacifism might be the ideal, but only if everyone is on board and certainly not everyone will be. for that reason alone a pacifistic nation is foolish even if it might be the most desirable.

if socialist nations cannot survive in an environment where capitalist nations exist then why attempt socialism when it's obvious there will never be world that's entirely socialist?

Not to mention the fruit of capitalism is too tempting for communists. Any pleb that pushes a broom can afford a used automobile in capitalist societies and cam go wherever he wants whenever he wants.

The equivalent communist serf is stuck riding public transportation that only takes him to work and to the food distribution center so he can collect his weekly stipend of beets. As soon as that communist sees some contraband movie where Seth Rogan stars as a potsmoking guy without a job who owns a smart phone and a car and has enough food to easily get fat, the dream of communism instantly dies in his heart.

Capitalism is a Communist term for anyone who isn't in their nonsensical ideology club.

If your system is so weak that an actor 8000 miles away can make it fall so easily it probably wasn't a good idea in the first

We protect a mess of Fabian socialist countries, i.e. Europe, just so they can complain at us. About everything. Forever.
>you're welcome

It is a contributing factor to why those countries fail. It's not the sole reason. Those countries are still run and populated by human beings who are by their very nature incompetent and corrupt.

It destroys culture because it sees the preexisting culture as an enemy or obstacle to progress.

Religion? Opiate of the people.
Holidays? See above
Clothing? Bourgeois designed visual indicator of class
Unique food? An unnessary expense that a college educated Marxist has deemed "real" workers to be above.
Your culture's unique family structures/marriage rites/property rights? Bourgeoisie oppressing you again


Next time you hear some progressive shitbag say x western nation has no culture, check their Facebook to see if they have advocated for the destruction or suppression of that culture that they claim doesnt exist (destroy statues! ban Columbus day because fuck white people!). Guarantee you they all do.

Every socialist country took part in proxy wars and espionage in equal measure to "capitalist" countries.

They just fucking lost every time.

>implying commie countries need our help to become totalitarian regimes

>From a marxist who supported EU sanctions on right-wing governments like Putin's Russia, Khomeini's Iran, Bashar al Assad's Syria, present day Saudi Arabia hell even Isreal sometimes etc.
These are hypocritical posts, but I agree with the poor cuck here, our countries shuoldn't waste resources on these endless wars and shit

Really, are isolated villages in Spain being subjugated? Fuck off retard

There are so few left

Which proves Libertarians point, that no government can be trusted, ever, because ppls nature.

why refute it? socialism doesn't belong on this planet.

Also every socialis country massmurdered its citicens ( aka slaves ), and impoverished and starved the rest...

All of the dictatorships came way before capitalist intervention wtf

>we're going to tear down capitalist societies
>the revolution starts here
>wait why is america sending CIA over here to destroy our society HELP

>But at the same time if the US was socialist it would do the same thing to other countries or at least try.

this. if capitalism is better at dominating, why not be capitalist?

Sort of, but "if capitalist countries gave it favourable trade agreements and even foreign aid it may have survived" is hardly the best argument for socialism.

socialists: FIGHT RACISM, HOMOPHOBIA, TRANSPHOBIA, MISOGYNY, AND ISLAMOPHOBIA. FUCK CISHET STRAIGHT WHITE MEN WE DON'T NEED THEM
hr department of every global transnational corporation: FIGHT RACISM, HOMOPHOBIA, TRANSPHOBIA, MISOGYNY, AND ISLAMOPHOBIA. FUCK CISHET STRAIGHT WHITE MEN WE DON'T NEED THEM
why do they not like capitalism again?

What's there to refute? Go live in a socialist country and get fucked, nigger.

I'm not even sure what hes/hers saying.

*tips trilby thinking it's a fedora*

"Capitalism" only exists as a term by socialist design so they have something to compare against. The term is used to obfuscate governmental control within markets (e.g. Solara, Boeing, telecommunications, etcetera) with the FREEDOM TO CONTRACT. That's what socialists fucking hate; it's not government participation in supporting or crushing market actors, it's the fact that contract allows resources to flow efficiently with individual management and decision making.

This pisses them off because they are the least efficient people to allocate resources to. They're shit people who do shit things with whatever they're given and they know it. That's why "socialized medicine" is allocating money to people who are themselves into diabetes. It's why spendthrift poor people live paycheck to paycheck and cannot even add/subtract, much less balance a checkbook. It's why fat women say every size is beautiful, because they cannot be bothered to maintain their own body to a minimum standard.

It's all the same. Create something artificial to fight against because you couldn't compete in the first place.

Just proof that capitalism is stronger than socialism.

Oh, and to address the OP, we literally had national deals with several socialist countries, pre- and post- socialist take over. That's why Venezuela had the fucking oil contracts to produce and reneged on the deals with the US, Japan and Mexico after they seized the plants and demanded over a 50% increase in their selling price. They literally don't understand what agreeing to something means... because they are mentally deficient socialists and meeting behavioral expectations is not comprehendable to them.

Also I think there is an issue of the sort of culture that would promote socialist thought.
'hey let's help out everyone!'
very quickly becomes:
'hey let's help out my buddies first though!'
once people get power, and that way lays corruption and cronyism

It's complicated, the base impulse is decent but very strong controls are required, controls so strong they may as well be tyrannical

>seriously trying to refute OPs pic when he is already gone
you people fall for the worst fucking baits

So what they're saying is that socialism/communism cannot survive without being fiercely protectionist and nationalist?

Absofuckinglutely agree. Lenin was an example of someone who was capable of the hard ass control needed to even manage socialism for a short time. However, he was still prone to the favorable dealings you mentioned. But these socialists today are limpwristed, easily bruised do-nothings who never put any form of effort into anything except espousing unrelenting "everything for everyone" ideals. They can't create realistic visions, and couldn't enact them even if they were.

That's obvious, but I have 20 minutes and an axe to grind

at least post with sage

>we're going to destroy socialist societies
>if you like socialism, go join them and get killed
Sounds right to me.

>blaming others for the shortcomings of your retarded system

So this......is the POWER......of socialism....

Nope. Patton was right.

Soviet Union, China, and Venezuela had no meddling.

>Socialism falls as soon as other countries attempt subversion
This is the Utopia they want

It couldn't possibly be that socialist have a predisposition to blame others for their problems. That can't be it.

Sounds like socialism can't defend itself.

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Socialism, such a strong system, yet so easily subverted.

>become oppressive totalitarian regimes to survive

lol yeah that's how it works, in order to survive we need to oppress the people!

Their government became too capitalist. The people at the top strayed from socialism and went to capitalism, pocketing their wealth themselves. Plus the (((United States))) bullied them because of their Socialism and wrecked their economy. If the elites of their country didn't do that and the US minded their own fucking business the country would be doing well.

>Socialists: Don't go live in a capitalist country

You've already answered that sweetie. Authoritarians always destroy comm/socialist societies. For all the utopian dreams commies have, there's a madman with a knife poised to stab them in their sleep.

In the first half year of Lenin's rule more people were killed for political reasons than a century of the Czars, tell me how a state that immediately becomes totalitarian is the fault of capitalists. To make matters worse this was all supported by the German imperial goverment so it's just insane bullshit to say it's all the fault of capitalists and imperialists when they are supportimg your murderous ideology when it's convenient.

>implying the lives of peasants and capitalists have value

You cannot achieve a delicious omelet without breaking a few eggs.

You can't make that delicious omelette by just breaking eggs though. But atleast you are consistent with communist dogma to place the reward somewhere in the future.

The only thing broken in the end will be your skull, commie scum.

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>see that ugly profile pic
>name is Winter

stopped reading right there

>kek flag

lol

>replying to the AI

sage goes in all fields

>making fun of memeflags while using one

If socialism REALLY were the superior nation structure, why do socialist states topple so easily from injecting a little capitalism into the mix?

Why do capitalist nations not collapse from their own capitalism?

Capitalists and intelligence agencies will push socialism on a country to destroy it. That's how bad socialism is. Stay mad at chad capitalism, virgin socialists.

Even if this was true (it isn't) a system that has a 100% failure when outside countries become involved is so weak that it isn't worth perpetuating.

just proves capitalism is far more resilient.

>cars fly
>refute this
Lol? I'm not going to refute some made up bs. How about you prove that first fagit

>implying the CIA didn't do that all the time

Underrated.

And rape.

Socialists countries do the same thing with capitalits countries, the only diference is that we are good on that.

Capitalism is why I am not a winner!

t. every socialist state