Crystal Holcombe, 8 months pregnant..Dead

..and three of her five children are among the 26 victims. Do you guys think they the remaining members of their family will still remain Christian after such a horrible tragedy ?... Talk about a test of faith.

>Do you guys think they the remaining members of their family will still remain

Sorry for my terrible english.
I meant to say: "remaining family members"

statistically speaking? Yes.

tragedy rarely actually separates people from God.

I lost faith over something much less bad than this. I guess it depends on their resolve. I know I wouldn't

on the bright side, the ones who died won't have to live as baptists anymore, so it was a net plus for them

The Bible has this covered with the story of Job, who was a good guy. Lived his life, praised God, was a good man to the community. Then Satan tells God to destroy Job's life to see if he still praises God. God destroys Job's life, he still praises God, and God proves Satan wrong. Moral of the story is that God tests you in fucked up ways to test your faith.
I kind of think it's an extremely dick move for God to destroy such a good person's life just to win a bet with Satan, actually not a really Christian thing to do if you think about it.

This is fucking depressing.

>not a very christian thing to do
>god is doing it

could u be any more of a pseud

God is literally just a meme you idiot. Prayers is worthless objectively, and if it wasn't then why are churches the easiest targets for mass shooters in the world? More prayer and kool-aid drinking of god memes takes place there, yet they got slaughtered instantly. God is for socialite retards who can't handle intellectual honesty. At least those dead kids won't grow up as more brainwashed useful donating idiots who believe that subjective memes should dictate objective social policies for everyone else

You left out the part where job prays to god and says "I understand you killed my whole family and gave me AIDS and that's OK because you are God, but could I just ask why you did it?" and god absolutely fucking loses his shit and starts ranting about dinosaurs with huge testicles and makes sea monsters appear and finally tells Job to shut the fuck up and then gives him twice as many wives as he killed

They are in heaven with God right now.

People have free will and bad things happen.

They will keep their faith in believing in God but were gonna expect more attacks in Churches for lone gunman to attack.

A chain reaction is coming boys

First, your objections are covered in Job.

Next, the Christian God doesn't leave us to suffer because of some "bet" with Satan. He entered into His own creation, suffered with us, for us, that despite our ignorance on the matter (see point 1 and God's reply to Job), we can yet trust him.

I understand the narrative is unsatisfying, but that's if you hold on to your pride instead of recognizing that, yeah. It isn't a very Christiant thing to do - because it wasn't what Christ did. Your narrative is not the beginning or end of the story.

What more evidence do you need of a 'rapture' event than this?

It would strengthen my faith to be honest, to see so many god loving people called home to heaven at one time, I'd say the preacher was doing something right.

>this is what Christians actually believe
Sea monsters oh my. Sky daddy so magical

praying works dude
just like you can meme a president into office
you can shift into whatever timeline you want by praying for it.

>What more evidence do you need of a 'rapture' event than this?

Do you know what you are talking about

>Atheist shoots and kills most of your family
>Clearly being an atheist is the right path to take

What is this retard logic? I suppose of a Muslim bombed my house id convert to Islam

>blue eyes

I'm so tired of seeing this, everything bad I see happens to some blue eyed woman, porn, death, nigger crimes. The Jews will pay.

who came up with all this shit, amirite?

>Prayers is worthless objectively
>introspection is worthless objectively

looks like another pseud has joined the battle. try talking about shit u know next time so you dont glow in the dark as much

>death is great

100% death cult

>I meant to say: "remaining family members"
No wait, meant to say "family members' remains"

A fucking communists fedora comes out in your church with all guns blazing, and kill your pregnant wife and three of your beautiful pure christian kids.

Thank you CNN and MSNBC for the anti-white, anti-christian and anti-conservatives bashing 24/7. Twice the time they are aiming at conservatives now. First was in Vegas with the shooting on the Country festival. Now a church.

Wrong. All prayer is is a conversation with your own ego which many you feel obligated to express to everybody else. This is why abrahamic faith is cancer because it teaches you the opposite of self awareness
>my prayers are with them
>I know bad things are happening and I'm nitncontributing Romany form if solution to it but DONT FORGET ABOUT ME TODAY
Pretentious trite.

this worked in Persia, Syria, Egypt and all the other places conquered by the arabs

The rapture is a 19th century myth, user.

>rapture
You're advocating more deaths to Christians right?

You won't find peace looking for an answer. There is no answer. God did it, we don't know why, we'll probably never know why, and that's just the way it is.

By the way, God lets this all happen, good and bad. You are only harmed or benefited if you think you are.

Think about that black pill for a while.

>stating with certainty that all abrahamic faith is the same
>stating with certainty that prayer is not introspective when in fact it is
i noticed you mentioned "pretentious trite". projection much? that's not very intellectually honest of you, mr. pragmatist

>Do you guys think they the remaining members of their family will still remain Christian after such a horrible tragedy ?

That's up to them. But it just adds to the millions of reasons why EVERYONE hates atheists. Heathens are scum.

Blaming CNN is like blaming Fox News for Charlotteville or Breitbart for Pulse because of "Muslim bashing." Making that argument is retarded both ways. A news organization isn't gonna convince someone to murder 50 people.

I hate mobile posting
>I know bad things are happening and I don't have any kind of solution, BUT DON'T FORGET ABOUT MEEE TODAY
that's what prayer is, a waste of everybody's time and a stroke of your ego

why so mad bro? we're talking about faith here ITT. That means no one is any more knowledgeable than anyone else on the subject. I'm calling it a rapture event because believers are going to heaven and fags like you and me are stuck in earthly hell.

Sounds fun, why don't you join them.

they were retarded baptists

>Do you guys think they the remaining members of their family will still remain Christian after such a horrible tragedy ?
What do you expect them to do, adopt the ideology of the murderer who killed their family because of their religion?

>christian seeks intellectual honesty

Now that's a good one.

Nice try to shift as well. You, like most other theists, really need to read the fucking sticky.

whats the difference between baptists and other sects?

the only ego stroking going on here is your posts. you are mad with modernism while posting from your silicon idol

Also the guy did it because his girl's parents went to that church apparently.

Why don't you Google what intellectual honesty means before you fail at using it again. I'm guessing you're somebody who drinks the religious koolaid. Abrahamic faith in itself is the antithesis of intellectual honesty

>>christian seeks intellectual honesty
so do you
strawmanning harder than a ma fucka

What does it have to do with faith? What some shitters does is not relatable to you believing.

The one true God doesn't care what happens to us so Man created their own Gods. If they are true believers in their God, they will continue to pray. If they are not, then they will begin to follow the true God.

baptists and protestants in general are responsible for the weak and culturally suicidal christians responsible for tolerating things they should not tolerate, like islam or zionists

simple, doesnt have edgy mommy/daddy issues revolving around other protestant sects.

Do you know why Baptists never fuck standing up?

God might think they're dancing.

God was probably bored and wanted a happening

Prayer in and of itself is not a waste of time if it's a sincere attempt to listen to yourself.

If most theists did this they'd go insane.

funny how you think religion is anti-intellectual. do you think the "dark ages" refers to the plight of christianity, as well?

>Do you guys think they the remaining members of their family will still remain Christian after such a horrible tragedy
theyll probably be even more devout because of stockholm syndrome towards God
>Then Satan tells God to destroy Job's life
so God took orders from Satan? holy shit that changes everything

as a final note, its interesting how society as a whole values white women life the most. Like we all subconsciously know they have the most reproductive value

Memes don't do that, user

>edgy faggots who would never ever get pasts the gates of Heaven larping as Christians

F

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>crystal
white trash confirmed, nothing of value was lost.

it doesn't work that way numbnuts
the people who died, good people, are now living in eternal bliss with god while the shooter is in hell getting hitler's head rammed up his rectum

But were they white?

t. sectarian sheep

They should join the pagans

I was referring to Christianity.

You really don't need to look much further than Creationism to see that as an anti-intellectual flat-earth rant. Or do you honestly see Creationism as being scientific?

Oh please. Prayer and meditation was practiced for thousands of years before it was called prayer by self entitled kike worshipers. Nothing abrahamic religion has produced is original, besides the extent of intellectual damage to our species it has caused. You trite monglers can't handle objectivity to save a life. Literally many of you believe that prayer is better than medicine. Fucking retards

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I expect better from you, Nip.

Your question is a paradox OP. if they were really Hardcore Christians , then this would be the BEST way to die. In His Abode .. By His Test. If not they weren't real Christians anyway. I'm Hindu btw

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Yes they will because Christ will give them his love and solace. Atheist shit like what the murderer believed in, it cannot be that and it will give you nothing but neglect and hurt because that is what its nature is about. It's satanism in disguise. The family will be strong despite this unimaginable loss and keep faith.

Good point. Christians should look forward to dying in their house of meme. It's what their meme- sorry, ""god"" clearly wants
>bullshit works in mysterious ways

As if your IQ suddenly increases 15 to 35 points when you are in a church shooting.

>Hitler in hell
Found the kike loving spic.

>o you guys think they the remaining members of their family will still remain Christian after such a horrible tragedy

Most likely.

How is this shit related to God? Do you have any knowledge of Christianity? This is about man not religion
God never said he will help human, not in the Bible, or the Torah or even the fucking kuran

read the book of job
God requires strength. God isn't an easy answer that's been custom crafty for lazy people who don't want to have to work or think. God is the answer to life's most difficult problems. Maybe one day, after your own dark and trying time, you'll understand this and be set free from the narrow strictures of your own limited thinking.

i was referring to christianity as well.

your argument is ironic. the bible is philosophical as much as it is spiritual. for you to use creationism as an argument for religious anti-intellectualism is the equivalent of a room temp iq redneck citing the bible alone as an argument against evolution. you think you are big but you are so small. worst yet, you compare religion to science as if they are both opposites. you should know that science in of itself, at least the major protoscientific discoveries of isaac newton for example, are inspired entirely be hermetic philosophy. hermeticism is, much like to science, a philosophical precursor to christianity. so, chew on that

important fact, francis is not a pope but rather a layman. the chair is vacant, so he does not represent the church as the pope by law.

A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.

Honestly if you take out the timetable, the order of operations happened the same way as described.
Star>Planet>Seas>land>plants>Sea critters>land critters>humanity

This is why I'm glad I'm alone
I'll never have anyone to lose

Did Jesus remain faithful until death even when his bones were showing due to all the beatings?

since the killer is an atheist antifa faggot, yes

Based Burger telling it like it is

>if you share things with a group you're part of the group

might as well call Sup Forums soyboys because everyones white

Faith is like anesthetic dude. The devout use faith to shield themselves from cold reality. A good metaphor would be if you went through open heart surgery without anesthetic.

I dont judge the devout, I envy them. They have been conditioned to go through life without the specter of death looming over them with the promise of eternal oblivion. I turned from that path long ago and regret it daily, but red pills cannot be undone

The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

"i have been made victorious through terror." Mohammad from Sahih Bukhari (52:220)

>God did it
>god let it happen
Pick one and only one

Christian martyrs/missionaries throughout history died for their faith and did not live high-on-the-hog.

Bible full of righteous people who were condemned and lived crap lives full of sorrows. God does not promise a rose garden in a world full of sin faggot. At least understand the faith first before making ignorant assumptions.

>tfw your whole family will never be murdered in front of your eyes so you can swear vengeance and become a righteous crusading warrior of God

>The devout use faith to shield themselves from cold reality
in a bastardized act of ironic modernist pride, you have shielded yourself from philosophy (and its inevitable spirituality) to remain in your self admitted cold reality of post modernist intellectualism. CS lewis said it best. men without chests are the ultimate pseuds

Not to sound like a cold-blooded asshole, but the Bible teaches a lot about taking things into your own hands, and not just waiting around for somebody else to do it. Also teaches quite a bit about what it means to be a man. There were a lot of cucks in that church that did not rise to the occasion to defend the women and children. God had to send Chad in from across the street to save those people.

They're emotionally / intellectualy fragile socialites who think they need religion in place of basic natural philosophy, because they are too afraid or weak or incompetent to think for themselves. It's easier to judge than it is to think, and Christianity certainly doesn't give you the tools for how to think. Just what you need to believe in and those poor nonbelievers who need to hear preaching and havw their dicks cut as babies. Fucking trite. Abrahamic faith is cancer

>if your enemies kill you, you win

"God is a meme" is in itself the most destructive meme. Even non-believers in God have to admit that prayers have effect in a non-physical way. Only brainlets haven't discovered this.

What the fuck are you talking about?

^Imagine thinking like this

>natural philosophy
buzzword alert. let's assume you are referring to naturalism. even this atheistic philosophy (like buddhism) utilizes meditation. or are you talking about humanism? which is an inherently relativist philosophy as it values the individual but not the individual's spiritualistic philosophies. what kind of philosophy that promotes critical thinking disregards objectivity?

Civilisation has been synonymous with organized religion since the beginning of history. If your ancestors are Western or Central Europeans, you directly owe your current wealth to the Christianization of these peoples.

The remaining family members now have one of the ultimate "bonifides" for a respected member of their church: their loved one died in the middle of worshipping. They will be able to milk that for the rest of their lives if they choose to remain within their own religious community. If they're ambitious, they can use that as political capital for moving up the ranks, and possibly taking over the church or starting their own. This is a bonus, for any of those survivors, who are, or will be, engaging in business with the church or its members, in terms of negotiating favorable deals, or just finding more people who are willing to do business with them, than they otherwise might have if they didn't have such a Hallmark-perfect sob story in their backgrounds.

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hello intellectual, mind attempting a refutation to my posts instead of picking on a small fry?