How do I beat this argument

Every single time I tell someone that Socialism doesn't work, they say "well all the nordic states are doing great!"

How do I beat this argument, it is the ultimate Trump card

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They're right, some limited socialism does work. Within an ethnostate, that is.

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>the nordic states are doing great
For now... The whole modern welfare state experiment is still relatively young.

They aren't even really socialist countries. Denmark especially.

The nordic states follows the Nordic model not Socialism.

A-a-are you telling me that socialism works?

The Nordic countries have some of the highest economic freedom in the world, with corporate tax rates much lower than the United States. They're welfare capitalist states just like the vast majority of the world.

You beat it by realizing you have to kick out the niggers if you want a working welfare system for the rest.

they're more or less ethnically homogeneous
Look at South Korea and Japan as well - they're doing quite well, and they're among the most homogeneous countries in the world.

Nordic countries are not socialist, gg ez

Social Democracy is not in any way Socialism. This is something all socialists know, and they consider Social Democracy the capitalist's method of subverting real Socialism.

>How do I beat this argument, it is the ultimate Trump card

you point out that these states are made only by nordic men, not niggers and spics

Norway has some huge oil slush fund and is mostly white so it doesn’t have useless non-whites draining the coffers

The Nordic states are social liberalist, not socialist. Socialism is a braindead idea.

Tell them that even though it's true that we have some socialist programs, they are only upheld because of massive amount of capitalism.

In terms of the socialist programs they have to understand that a lot of factors goes into it being somewhat successful, which includes our culture, history, people and in some sense religion.

FINLAND IS NOT NORDIC STATE AND FINNISH PEOPLE ISN'T NORDIC AT ALL!!!!!!

Yes, National Socialism does work very well.

Now wait till you learn about per capita crime rates in the states. If you don't have a homogeneous society that can work to better their country, not just them selves, it will never work.

Have you ever noticed that everyone in japan smokes but there's no cigarette buts everywhere? Can you imagine american blacks doing the same thing?

Every time I see a tear in a political cartoon I can't help but think of Kelly and his crying statue of liberty. I giggle every time.

>FINLAND IS NOT NORDIC STATE
what else would it be moron?
> FINNISH PEOPLE ISN'T NORDIC AT ALL
what are they? eastern euros?

They still have free markets. All they have is public social security systems in which (nearly) everyone pays in and they spend their taxes differently. You can buy whatever you want and they have privat property.

it does work if your population is 98%+ white.

otherwise no hope.

Sweden is set to be a third world shithole due to immigration destroying the socialist state.
Norway has a more protective immigration policy.

If 8 people have to take care of 10 citizens, socialism is possible. If 4 people have to take care of 10 citizens, the 4 will quit and the six will drain any welfare the state has left.

Here, have a fap
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Aren't they all based on a capitalist economy?

A country with an economy based on capitalism has socialised services doesn't mean it's a socialist country.

They are capitalist countries that implement socialist public services because they can afford it.

Because that's not what socialism is. Fucking nobody knows what socialism is, just like nobody knows what fascism actually is. It's nordic model capitalism. Capitalism with welfare. Which works fine in productive, educated, 90%+ white ethnostates, not so much elsewhere.

Last I checked the Nordic states are being BBC'd into oblivion.

You don't. It's superior.

However, for it to remain successful you need to be either an ethnostate or at the very least maintain a strong underlying nationalist perspective. if you don't you end up like Sweden.

A Social-capitalist model with a right oriented government. You can't beat that.

The nordic countries are not socialist. They are capitalist with social programs. And the social programs are failing as you'd expect, since we're taking in so many fucking leechers.

Tell them that the Scandinavian states have free markets, allow free capitalistic enterprise, and are not a socialist state, but a welfare one. Then tell them that this welfare state is only possible through extreme homogeneity, lots of innate national wealth, and a high-trust society.

Norway is a U.S. puppet, Sweden is absolutely not doing great, and Finland is hardly socialist in the true sense of the word.

> "well all the nordic states are doing great!"
Homogeneous northern european countries. Also, their socialist programs are starting to collapse on themselves now that they've all started taking in tons of arabs and somalis.

Inquire as to how well they would do if they imported freeloading niggers wholesale.

^all of the above
we're doing pretty good but the influx of immigrants is taking it's toll

The Nordic model is basically relatively raw, unregulated capitalism + a social welfare state.

The reason why it appears to work is:

- It's still very young
- It's in a Homogeneous, high-trust society
- The social and economic success of these countries predate the addition of the welfare state. These countries basically had free markets for year and years, stayed out of wars and foreign affairs, just kept to themselves and built wealth. Then, only fairly recently did they instate the welfare policies.

It's like how lottery winners live the unsustainable high life for a few years and then inevitably end up broke wondering what went wrong. It will fail.

yeah that's pretty much it, just look at how much of norways industry is based around oil

it´s not because of socialism it´s because of the genes of the Scandinavian people

political ideology is highly overrated

eastern Germany even under communism was one of the most productive republics of the soviet union thus indicating once again that even under a dysfunctional ideology certain people still outperform

it´s not about political ideology it all comes down to the genes of the people

thank god for FRP.

We are not doing that great

I would give one finger from my left hand to live in USA

too old now to start over

As many have already mentioned, these states aren't socialist.

What your chums are doing is lying to you. They conflate public works with socialism, e.g. ploughing snow is socialism. Why? Because people generally think some public services are desirable; they like street lights, police service, and maintained parks. "Gosh, those are nice. Okay, socialism is terrific after all."

There is literally nothing wrong with that, as we wob't be running out of oil any time soon.

tell them that socialism is either just poorly managed capitalism or broken communism

I would suggest you focus on the idea of 'what is a socialist country again?'

Likely what they mean is a strong welfare state - lots of government programs and benefits.

In the case of these Nordic countries these are provided by a successful capitalist class, strong income from natural resources, and governmental advantage of having an ethnostate.

Agreed. A homogenous population of productive workers, helps foster a national sense of community and cooperation. Minimal or no minority groups to be viewed as sucking up the work of others.

This. If you would relocate a thousand nordic tribesman in 500 AD to Madagascar I bet they would have create something interesting. Whereas a thousand central african tribesman in northern europe would struggle to survive for quite some time, since resources are way less abundant and very seasonal.

Max kek

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yeah didn't mean it was bad, i was just pointing it out that we pretty much won the lottery.

Yeah, we're doing great over here. The vibrant diversity is ensuring that we'll be a third world country in a few years.

No True Scotsman fallacy. Next you are going to be telling me that China is not socialist.

Can't have socialism without nationalism

>you need to be either an ethnostate or at the very least maintain a strong underlying nationalist perspective
>A Social-capitalist model with a right oriented government. You can't beat that.

This is infuriating. You are Norwegian. You have a large sovereign wealth-fund. But you are still just a Norwegian.

Do not pretend for one fucking second that any Western country could implement the changes you are talking about, including Norway.

What you are suggesting, from your mighty tower of righteousness, is that we implement National Socialist policies.

We would love to but it will never happen. Including in Norway which is still just a shitty, small, weak and pathetic country which will eventually become Islamized and brown.

Nordic states are full on capitalism with a large welfare state

They're wrong because they're not "socialist" so.. it's not really an argument.

Why the suburbs can have nice things like parks with gardens and lakes?

Why you can leave your cars window open in the suburbs and finding it where it was?

yeah, that's a fair statement.

I don't know much about China. As far as I know they are socialist. But Norway is not socialist. Norway is capitalist.

In fact both Norway and Denmark will turn into 2nd Saudi Arabia soon because in 2022 central european countries will stop buying gas/oil from russia and they will buy Norwegian oil/gas instead and Denmark will benefit from it as transit country.
You guys will literaly use money as toilet paper in few years.

Sweden isn't doing great, Norway can only afford it thanks to oil (it's not sustainable otherwise), Denmark is one of the most medicated countries in the world, Iceland is purely Icelandic (the socialism only works in ethnostates argument) and Finland in comparison isn't a socialist state at all.

Wrong
China is a command economy wrong by the government with limited capitalism so yes it's socialistic
Nordic states are free market economies

they are feeding off the capitalist machine

they are basically taking away half your income and use it to feed faggits

that is basically feudalism

most of those countries rely on the US being the police of the world giving all their money to welfare instead of having an army worth anything in a global setting

Socialism works in a small state with pure Aryans.

It's not gonna last much longer for the Nords at the rate they are going.

Even my hardcore lefty berniebro friend admitted "guess you can't have socialism without white people. Shit"

>immigrants come to finland
>take advantage of every single welfare
>basically they could live on welfare 4 life
>they still complain and want more
>recently they turned the welfare sink off
>immigrants have to work now
>they go apeshit because of this

Whats even worse the polaks are infesting the construction business with their cheap price..

> North Korea communist ethno state
> South Korea Capitalist ethnostate
eat shit alt-right faggots nazis get the helicopter too.

>implying it won't be Canada and US due to muh fracking

The EU will collapse under it's own weight after the UK gets it's ass in motion and actually leaves the EU, and without an autoritarian tyrant denying european countries to buy oil from Russia, I don't think Russia will have much problem selling oil to european countries, especially the eastern ones.

Honestly that depends on what they consider socialism
Nordic states are all pretty free markets with companies that just get taxed a lot (for muh welfare)
Not price controlled national industries that have bots banned because they'll steal jobs
It's only socialism if they really stretch the concept of socialism
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look into

a) corporate taxation levels - lower than in many countries, including the US
b) worker protection - in Denmark, the employer can essentially shed staff at his hearts' content. while this might be the same in the US, it's counter to most of the rest of Europe
c) an overwhelming percentage of the workforce is forced to join unions.
d) the welfare states are in a continuous state of slow dismantling. if you look into early retirement 20 years ago vs now, you'll see a huge difference

Norway has a massive sovereign wealth fund thanks to investing their North Sea oil money. Their success is entirely down to capitalism.

Sweden is an authoritarian pisshole with grenade attacks and migrant rapes every day. Sweden is only a "success" if you're so indoctrinated that you're willing to look past all of the problems and pretend that they're actually positives (eg. "the absurdly high rape rate is because muh feminist liberation makes people report rapes more").

Finland is extremely insular and has very few immigrants. Trade unionism only functions there because it's a tiny and irrelevant country where the stakes are very low.

Moreover, the Nordic countries are famous for their tall poppy syndrome. They fear and despise individuality and individual success. It's like a teacher saying "did you bring enough for everyone?" on a regional level. It's a recipe for inertia and stagnation.
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Scavs have social democracy and rather a free market.

U have no arguments anyway bc of your huge debt

Do you think the Nordic climate could help them?

All of that time inside. Maybe they will start to develop some hobbies and interests like we do?

i don't think so
national sjamling was scands' last hope

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South Africa is a great example of this phenomenon whites took control of the country & today it has the third largest economy in Africa even though it´s far away from the western world & even without the same petroleum reserve as Nigeria it still outperforms by black standard once oil becomes cheaper then South Africa could overtake Nigeria

Political ideology doesn´t matter

if you teach the blacks in Detroit about the free market they would still fuck up

thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist

when were the socialist policies implemented? the 1990s?

These jackasses want to larp with meme names that don't mean anything, such as Finno-Ugric.

Nordic countries are doing ok-ish for now, not because of socialism, but despite of it.

You can't confuse blacks in Detroit with the fucking Bantu peoples.

>Within an ethnostate, that is
It may not even work there. For example Kuwait. Almost no one can naturalise, so all the citizens are Kuwait Arabs. It has socialised health services, subsidised food co-ops, no one pays for electricity, petrol is about $1 per 4 litres (approx. 1 gallon), and the men are guaranteed state employment by law.
>It's a shithole.
And it would be an even even worse shithole if not for hiring all these foreigners to do the work to make the place kind of function. In the government offices Kuwaitis just sit around chatting with their friends, smoking cigarettes, and drinking tea. They don't even put in a full day. They're all Kuwaitis, and almost of them are imbeciles.

It has to be an ethnostate of good stock.

Oh my god. You people actually believe the corporations shouldn't be taxed like the fucking jewish cocksuckers you are.

You see Trump sucking the corporate dicks in wall street with his tax plan and more lax rules against wall street and you faggots are too happy to oblige. This is what Sup Forums has become. unironic "wtf I love jews now" mentality. Sad!

well....
just look at glorious sweden...
in addition to all the fucked up rapes, grenade attacks, homoshit and child hostile environment.
>There are no jobs there
>The young ones can not get a fucking job
>So they typically go to oslo and take whatever shit job locals don't want

Yeah but socialism is pretty much defined. The state (read everyone in their idealistic view) controls the means of production. If someone is allowed to found and own and run a company, within a reasonable frame of regulations (by which I mean no 99% taxes or other crippling measures) its not socialism.

They aren't socialist countries. They're democratic capitalist societies with social programs.

people have been posting these threads for years, and its just getting easier and easier to refute as the nords collapse

i didn´t confuse the Bantu people i was trying to prove my point

that genetics is the most important factor if you want to create a high functioning society

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

even with a high tax rate & such Nordic countries still outperform but this is once again because of the genes of the people not because of ideology

When the oil runs out, 30 - 40 years, the welfare state will collapse and we will revert back to being poor as fuck as we used to be. Can't wait!

Oh look, it's another "lol i'm just like you guys, hail heltir, but serious guys, cool it with the anti-communism we might hurt Jamal's feelings".

1/3 from Norway
1/3 from USA
1/3 from our own Production
+ a bit of quatar and other middle east

Most of Govs here already confirmed that they don't plan on buying russian gas/oil, at least not most of them
+ Russian gas is way way more expensive than market price so its even way cheaper for Intermarium countries to buy gas from USA.
The day Lithuania opened their LNG terminal (they didn't have long term deal with russia signed), gas price for them was lowered by 30%!! Overnight!!

+ our govs are done with this bullshit of using gas/oil as political tool. No more cutting of the gas or lowering its quality

>locals don't want
they take jobs like waiters at restaurants and shit. Fucking sweeds are taking our jobs, instead of getting their shit together, and creating wealth in their own country.

I hate the jewish cunts over at wall street. They are the enemy! Not the blacks!

They are moving like a thief in the night with this tax plan! Why is Sup Forums so quiet about it!?

Im afraid not .
A friend of mine had to do some building work (minor job) in a immigration center.
The fucking arabs were just sitting in a circle SPITTING in the center and laughing like fucking 10 year olds...
The gypsies here beg for money in the center of towns .. They do this from morning till dawn. when they finish they change into their nice clothes and whip out the iphone/samsungs .

Give them another example of a socialist state that isn't doing well. Then point out that the state with succesful socialism has the financial reserves from a time without socialism to support their new, parasitic system while the unsuccesful socialist state is poor and thus unable to introduce proper socialism and/or get richer.

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>Feminism is the real redpill! Vote for Hillary, she's totally j-woke and right-wing! Cut your balls off and inject a gallon of oestrogen directly into your pineal gland to become a real high-test masculine alpha male!
Fuck off back to whichever PAC you crawled out of.

no true scotsman fallacy only works if it is actually the same thing

You can't be like
>yea well you don't like oranges but I thought you liked apples?
>what do you mean apples aren't oranges, NO TRUE SCOTSMAN

Well the nordic model does work great. Socialism isn’t some sort of an auto lose option. Infact the track record for socialist economies is surprisingly good. I recommend you look at the actual numbers.

Answer this question, who would outperform:

>Communist Poland
>Capitalist Kenya

?

But Socialism is quite clearly defined. You can't call it socialism just because it has some similarities.

I haven't seen a strawman fallacy this senseless and this bad since, well, ever.

Sup Forums will continue to let the jews win because muh god emperor drumpf! Really sad and concerning!

I can only speak on behalf of Denmark, but I truly believe that incredibly high amount of trust combined with a plurality of openly biased news sources and a sense of traditionalism/nationalism propels Denmark.

All of the above might be, because of our long heritage and small size.

Then point out the ones wich are shite. F.e my shithole.

Or any country wich got/had social democratic disease.