Is socialism inherently bad?

Is socialism inherently bad?

Could a non-communist socialism that still allows free enterprise, though with regulations and rules designed to benefit the working class, work and even be beneficial in a racially homogenous society where the government actively works against cuckery (i.e. puts their foot down on (((Google))) and transgenderism), or would socialism in this scenario still be bad?

And generally, should there be (in a 100% white society with no nonwhite leeches) government-backed healthcare and affordable housing programs, among other things, or would you still be against this?

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No. Fuck off, filthy socialist.

You're describing national socialism you retard.

>socialism that still allows free enterprise, though with regulations and rules designed to benefit the working class, work and even be beneficial in a racially homogenous society where the government actively works against cuckery

Without idiotic warmongering.

a family is a small socialist cluster

I don't consider everyone my family and I don't want to help everyone

so why would I force others to do that?

socialism will always fail

look at sweden, praised to be the best working socialist country, thanks to people living in it

the people living in it, they were clearly not enough to make it truly work now did it? attacks every hour, niggers arabs at every corner, retards claiming its just part of living in a big city to get blown up by allahu akbars

so, what does a country need to make socialism work? not people obviously

pic is a meme, its all about skinning the working people alive and feeding the non working niggers and arabs, eventually they will overpop and overburden the "oh so working" socialist system. the worst part? white people are eventally forced to be the cogs of this mad byrocratic machine with no way out

in socialist regimes people DO NOT matter, only the thing the people as cogs work on matters. you will get thrown aside as useless tool if you believe the words "work is everyhing" like they brainwash people from young age to think and NOT to think for themselves

Socialism which is outgroup exclusionary and takes place in a small polity with high cohesion and trust (and probably strong ethnocultural homogeneity) and high ingroup preference is fine. When you start letting anybody in who don’t care about people it erodes the strong culture of trust and love and you end up with lowest common denominator market based system. Market interactions are for strangers , outsiders. The ingroup supports each other. Don’t listen to the yellow flag cowards. They would have us all live all mixed up to suppress wages and weaken the resistance to market logic. They have no loyalty to anything noble or beautiful.

people never ask finland if their schools are good. they look at studies that aggregate checklists

I bet those same checklists dont report violence from niggers

S-stupid finland

If everything is free, why work? And if no one works or the rich park their income in lower tax jurisdictions, what happens to the nation with no income?

and japan is #2. rmyt

The Finnish education system's success isn't caused by socialism. Education is far more complex than that. Not that I subscribe to the claim that "Finland is a socialist country" anyway.

Also, the rank 1 thing is no longer true. PISA scores deteriorating etc.

t. Finnish person

Finnish schools are decent. I think it's worrying if there are not better though.

Also Finnish is not a socialist country in the sense Americans understand the word. We are a capitalist country with socialist characteristics.

Like many left-wing ideas, Socialism works if you eliminate all Leftists first. The people who advocate most strongly for these ideas are the people who ensure that they will never work.

They are capitalistic with social programs. That's not socialism. And that can work in an aryan ethno state.

Fucking idiots, national socialism is political cult, not a ideology.

national socialism = German fascism

Facism = counter movement against communism

OP is talking about social democracy as you can find it in many civilized countries.
Only laiisez-faire brainwashed Americans think that's a bad thing.

I explicitly stated no nigs or muslims in my OP.

>in capitalist regimes people DO NOT matter, only the thing the people as cogs work on matters. you will get thrown aside as useless tool if you believe the words "I think something different from you" like they brainwash people from young age to think and NOT to think for themselves

It's really the same here. Only difference is you guys get benefits.

the "nordic model" is literally just diluted national socialism
>aborts down syndrome drains on society
>subsidies for familes
>(previously) homogenous society
>allows free market, but with progressive laws, eg scaling fines to income levels.

Uhmm, pretty sure that Finland is a liberal democratic capitalist country with a welfare state

A socialist country is one where there's a dictatorship of a vanguard, under disguise of being the dictatorship of the proletariat, while taking steps to achieve the final goal (communism)

Socialism is common ownership of the means of production of wealth, I don't recall it being the case in Finland.

What you're describing is social-democracy, people wanting capitalism with a "human face".
Socdem parties are popular in Scandinavia but now they're facing their own contradictions and delusions with the surge of the far-left and the far-right.

Finland is not socialist you fucking retard

Tough our gun laws are awesome and shit the same time. You need to apply for gun ownership and prove you are not insane. Tough there is no bullshit around suppressors, body armor, night vision etc. If you can argue why you need a full auto uzi or P90 you can get it (and people have, 5.7 goodness).

Isn't Finland like 99% white ?

Finland is not socialist you subhuman retarded reddit mongrel

>finland
>white

Finns also give their teachers the same social respect doctors get.
All their teachers have masters degrees.
Best of all their classroom sizes are crazy small and full of Finnish kids.
Of course it's going to be fucking great.

sing/hk is probs better desu m8. they sort by intelligence uotient

I can tell you two are very intelligent by angrily screeching the same thing that others already have,

Finland isn't socialist. Finland also has almost no minorities.

the problem with socialism, and even communism, isnt the ideas of the system, but rather that it is a system that doesn't jibe well with the human condition, in the same way that dreaming about becoming rich doesn't actually make you rich.

Because it doesn't jibe well with the human condition, it HAS to be enforced via a large, coercive government, that utilizes force (i.e. taxation) to achieve its socialistic ends. Because of this, people suffer largely (because government systems are inefficient), and the systems tend to be very volatile. So, in short, socialism and similar ideologies aren't inherently evil, but theu are inherently unsustainable. This is why capitalism and capitlistic societies are superior; sure, they don't optimize for 'humanitarian' causess (wealth equality, quality of life, minimized corruption, etc), but it works really well with human nature, and a side-effect of it is a general raise in the overall quality of life.

Works really well if you dont have hordes of shitskins and monkeys destroying everything.

Yay, Finland! Almost everything I know about Finnish culture is through Scandinavia and the World comics:
satwcomic.com/the-world/finland

And lower corporate taxes than even America

>Is socialism inherently bad?
Does the pope help pedophiles get away with rape?

sauce?

Exactly. Most of social problems boil down to minorities being incompetent human beings.

Don't they have the highest suicide rate in the world?

Sure

Our education system is pretty god tier if you disregard mandatory swedish bullshit.

Kill yourself you apolitical shitposting reddit nigger. Do you honestly think you can just post some crappy FB image and not be made fun of? Kill yourself I hope you get raped by a pack of niggers you worthless trash

Whatever it is, it works great if 99% white population.

fill sweden with niggers and see what happens to their indexes

Why work? Escape from boredom and to achieve a sense of accomplishment.

we just called it "folkhemmet", we swedes are dishonest like that, of course it doesn't work with 5 million swarthy apes but nothing works with 5 million swarthy apes so...

>Is socialism inherently bad?
No, but its not sustainable in the long run. Finland is slowly but surely disassembling the welfare state.

The ends don't justify the means. Taxation is theft, and a free market system would benefit everyone.

>A socialist country is one where there's a dictatorship of a vanguard, under disguise of being the dictatorship of the proletariat, while taking steps to achieve the final goal (communism)

Socialism as a word and an idea predates Marx by at least 50 years, so the Marxist definition you stated is only the Marxist interpretation of socialism (Marxist-socialism), but since Marx nor anyone that followed was not responsible for the creation of the word, they don't have the monopoly on defining it.

That has more to do with geography. Not enough sunshine for the human animal. Also have the highest per capita metal bands \m/

>Finland isn't socialist
True, Finland is a capitalist country with socialist elements.

>surge of the far-left
Shut up, loser. It is true that the EU is structured to make social democracy impossible with its completely free movement of labor, though.

>American commies saying that Nordic countries are socialistic
>Literally make this up, ask a Nordic amateur communists opinion tops
>Nordic people keep saying they aren't fucking socialistic countries
>Communism can also work in the USA :^) t:Leftist American idiot

Even if a society has massive poverty and child labor is a common practice and being a minute late dashes out an hour's wage? Because the US was just that at one point in time.

That's called social democracy not socialism. Socialism is basically all workers in an enterprise get an equal share of the profit dividends with it being their pay and supposedly it'd be more than what they'd get in wages.

not the highest, i don't believe

>the surge of the far-left and the far-right.
There's no surge of the far-left, and the surge of the "far-right" is the direct result of the refugee situation.

In Finland the income tax rate average is 51% which is absurd that more than half of all equity you create gets taken from you and redistributed to other people who don’t create that wealth. What happened to personal responsibility and accountability?

fuck that. i want my free shit so i can play computer all day.

different peoples excel on different arenas

>In Finland the income tax rate average is 51%

Yes, socialism is inherently bad. It relies entirely on theft and slavery, and both are wholly immoral.

You wouldn’t get bored of that?

Current situation: Our politics are selling off nationalized companies, such as power grid, railway, maybe gambling, because they're afraid/ can't raise taxes to pay for a ton of socialist shit, mainly retirement funds and welfare. They're sloooowly trying to change the healthcare system to something else, but I'm afraid we're gonna have to have some bigger crisis before they make big enough changes to save us.

Pray for us.

Tenryuu from kancolle, this pic is the best one desu

>Escape from boredom and to achieve a sense of accomplishment.
You sure are romanticizing modern-day pencil-pushing people actually have to do

nope. paid to play all day? never!

>what is automation
>what is freezing their assets and taking them
>what is social dividend from automated labor

>In Finland the income tax rate average is 51%
Your average middle-class worker pays about 25%. But its true that Finland is not a good place to be a Jew, you will get buttfucked hard by taxes.

It's not caues it's unsustainable, it's cause (((they))) are working to make you into a more capitalistic shithole then flood you with shitskisn cause of how white you are. Sweden is'nt as socialistic as it used to be when they were also racially hemogenous.

That sounds like a NAZI dictatorship to me.

No. 1 I love pencil pushing. There are plenty of autists out there who love to make spreadsheets, write reports, and do mindless bullshit.

No. 2 If people didn’t have to work, they just wanted to, you’d find them in positions that had a better suck-to-enjoyable ratio

>hurr free of charge
>taxation is 24% of products and 10% of my yearly wage
and yet still i need to pay for a dentist if i really want someone skilled to look at my teeth

Living on cheapest crap all day every year. Nice!

Paying failures to stay home doing nothing and keeping them off the streets from causing trouble is the cheapest and easiest solution for the state. Pay some 500-1000€ a month for housing allowance and social security is nothing compared to jailtime, legal procedures, safety of the society etc. Some just sit home drinking cheapest beer all time.

It's pretty great for the short time it can sustain itself, in the same way that a ponzi scheme is great while it can support itself. Soon the working class can no longer support the growing aging, younger, and non-working class and the whole house of cards comes tumbling down. They think mass immigration will temporary bolster their working class, but none of them get jobs and it only perpetuates the inevitable implosion.

Living on social benefits is no treat. You wont have time to play computer all day when you gotta go stand in the bread line.

>Is socialism inherently bad?

No. It seems to work out great in countries with small populations and relatively abundant wealth. It's like building an arch bridge over a small stream; very sturdy design.

But trying to implement a heavily socialist system in a country with less wealth relative to population size is like trying to build an arched bridge over a huge river. It's going to fall down.
You can't implement the same cookie cutter system in every country.

Yes but Sup Forums is all brainwashed niggers and will never admit to it.

Despite their supposedly great school system, their GDP per capita is 25% less than US. Why do these great schools produce stupid, poor snow niggers?

>finland
>socialist country
who the fuck is pushing this meme right now? Seeing it everywhere.

American lefties to show socialism works.

That same socialism that's dragging even the countries they're using as examples down.

Yep. You have not failed yet, so it shows socialism is flawless and works every time in their eyes.
I was arguing with someone earlier that insisted Finland was more communist than anything else.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Wrong, finland has had good times balancing between left and right for few decades. Its the smart and the honest people that matter. Big influx of refugees doesn't fit in the picture though, neither does the fact that we are becoming nation employed by service sector and public jobs exclusively.
That's why many of the state-funded jobs needs to go. There is for example an unemployment office that employs huge number of old ladies in every town and who still use computer programs from 90's. That kind of things cost us too much, plus unemployment benefits too. So many hope basic income would work in finland.

Also things like tax havens shake up this utopia

>Chad wins again

In other words impossible for anything bigger than a village. And even in that village you'd have liberals and deviants, for better or worse. The whole concept of socialism is fucking retarded and inherently cuck.

You can easily afford food though

>I was arguing with someone earlier that insisted Finland was more communist than anything else.
My god. Surely you told them that we executed our communists a 100 years ago?

There is nothing wrong with moderate socialism that's been de'kiked.

Societies must work together and collaborate otherwise they cease to be societies and become degenerate anarchistic cluster-fucks.

Don't let the Capitalist Jew tell you otherwise. You need a healthy medium between markets and strong/intelligent leadership with protections in place for the working poor/middle classes.

No, its not inherently bad. there is no such thing as a monolithic ideology that is correct %100 of the time, just as there is no such thing as an ideology that is wrong %100 of the time. The best ideas of each ideology must be applied in a pragmatic way. That is why the scandinavian countries were striking the perfect balance between standard of living, economy, and safety. Until they let the shitskins in. However, they weren't entirely socialist or communist. That always fails, its too idealistic, and requires too much authoritarian control. It was the balance and pragmatism, user. Your assessment was correct.
Only 14 yo lolbergs and ancaps sperg out about helping others out in a (homogenous/white) society because they haven't matured enough yet to see themselves as anything but an individual. Hence the anti socialist memes that are pervasive on this board.
pic unrelated

those in finland who call themselves communists are 60-80 year old crackpots who still haven't gotten over their youth.

But you talk shit if you claim that finland hasn't had big and mainstream leftist presence since 70's

>You can easily afford food though
If only food was the only expense in ones life. You gotta wear clothes. Most people need some form of transport.
If you're some kind of subhuman rat who never leaves their home then sure, you can skip the bread line, but good luck with your inevitable mental issues.

exactly. fully agree. The human advantage was always the ability to cooperate within your group and compete with other groups.

>In other words impossible for anything bigger than a village.
Yep.
With 5-10 close friends innawoods, it will probably work okay. You know them, you trust them, you trust they won't stab you in the back.
Real population numbers and it is far too susceptible to corruption.
They were not interested in the 1918 civil war or the reds vs whites and stopped replying.

Very much truth in this post, motuh-foaming commie hunters can't really think rationally. They think completely with feel.

>if it works for this 100% white irrelevant country then it will work everywhere!

It is, and it is completely ruinious when combined with mass immigration from the 3rd world. Until quite recently the Nordic nations (yes Im including Finland), were ethno states with little immigration. The more immigration they have accepted over the past ~20 years the less sustainable their socialist gib societies have become, see Sweden as best example. The same thing has happened to Canada, most of our governments are heavily in debt and can't afford the gibs with all the new arrivals that need constant handouts, eventually the system reaches a collapse spiral that is hard to escape.

>Is socialism inherently bad?

How many millions of dead bodies will you have to climb before the answer is obvious even to you?