Holocaust Cremation

Why do people say that the crematoriums at concentration camps could not get hot enough to cremate bodies fast enough during the holocaust? It's true that it takes 2-3 hours to cremate a human body in modern crematoriums, but those run at between 1400-1800 degrees Fahrenheit. Proper forging temperatures for most metals are a lot higher than that, and since there was obviously molded/hammered/modified metals used to create tanks/guns/planes, why wouldn't it make sense for the furnaces to get that hot? I've seen videos of people forging shitty little knives in their backyard using briquettes and a hairdryer, so I don't think it would be farfetched for a furnace with bellows to get hot enough.

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becauee they were just normal crematoria, nothing special

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The whole holocaust story is so full of holes that this level of nitpicking is just stupid.

The biggest killer in the camps was disease due to overcrowding and lack of clean water. If anything the crematoriums were actually a hygiene feature to stop disease killing more people.

But somehow these were 'death camps' intended to kill off everyone who went there.

Where are these furnaces?

The issue is not heat. It's the energy you need to get into the system to evaporate the water. Water needs a lot of energy to break hydrogen bonds.

???
furnace or crematorium, I've seen a lot of shitty furnaces on youtube where people are getting iron hot enough to shape. It doesn't sound too hard for a nation to make a furnace if they can make tanks.
I only ask because one of my friends said the reason he doesn't believe in the holocaust was because "He did the math and the amount of bodies burned doesn't add up. It would take too long."

This and deniers ALWAYS assume that nazis followed modern-day regulations for cremating people.

It's undeniable that the Germans put anyone who was a threat to their regime in prison camps to stop undermining of the war effort or partisan activity in occupied territory.

The question is whether these camps were intentional 'death camps' or whether that's what what they became as a result of the Germans losing and having no supplies.

I really don't know why anyone even cares about the Nazi concentration camps anyway. The GULAG killed far more people and just about everything the Nazis did the Soviets did more of.

6 billions

It really happened, goy. 60000000000000000000000000000000

>furnace or crematorium, I've seen a lot of shitty furnaces on youtube where people are getting iron hot enough to shape. It doesn't sound too hard for a nation to make a furnace if they can make tanks.

They werent blast furnaces, just coke fired ovens.

Most bodies in death camps were burned in open air pits. The crematoria just make for better photo ops these days.

How do you recognise a foundation myth? It fulfils three functions.

1)It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).
2)It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).
3)It determines what is held sacred in that society.

For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.

1)We live in the ‘Post-War World’. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.

2)Ultimate evil is Nazis. Ultimate good is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.

3)The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.

The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.

Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.

Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the personification of evil, holds the centre point of the WWII story.

Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.

Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned.
> Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned.

Except I'm not German. The only part I can agree with for this is part 1. Heck people can hang Nazi flags in the US without facing any repercussions.

This. They didn't even get as hot as modern crematoria, more like 1000 F if I remember right.

This is a fair analysis. However this doesn't change the fact that the mainstream narrative of the Holocaust is broadly accurate.

>I really don't know why anyone even cares about the Nazi concentration camps anyway. The GULAG killed far more people and just about everything the Nazis did the Soviets did more of.

You know why. The Nazi's (((victims))) were the same (((people))) who ran the (((Soviet Union.))) These same (((people))) run modern Western academia, media, government, and business.

>Most bodies in death camps were burned in open air pits. The crematoria just make for better photo ops these days.

They weren't. You can't burn anything in pits at Auschwitz, any pit dug fills with water.

It's not about regulations. It's about the fact that bodies don't burn that fast. If the body doesn't stay hot enough for long enough, it won't be a pile of ash, it will just be a charred body.

Incidentally, there was never 1 million people's worth of ashes at Auschwitz either, let alone the 4 million that they originally claimed.

They drained the water. A simple engineering task easily accomplished by Germans.

There were 15 furnaces at Auschwitz, that could fit a single person inside. No one is disputing that you can burn a human body in one of them, but you cannot burn 1500+ every few hours as was claimed by eyewitnesses.

youtube.com/watch?v=anCth1mA1L4

>video blocked in my country
Hmmmmmm....

Camp's crematoriums where made from standard bricks, with a standard "pizza oven" shape, heated with coal.
That's pretty much the cheapest and most underpowered type of creamatorium you can design.

Another laugh line from apologists trying to "refute" the math is to say they did them 2 at a time.

It's a joke. They said that each body was in the furnace for, what, 20 minutes? That wouldn't create an ash pile, it would just create a charred body.

>Camp's crematoriums where made from standard bricks, with a standard "pizza oven" shape, heated with coal.
>That's pretty much the cheapest and most underpowered type of creamatorium you can design.

Yep. No way they could handle blast furnace level temperatures.

You do realize they estimate it took 20 mins a Burnaby body right and still it would take 5 years of continuous operation to reach the austwitz number

>Another laugh line from apologists trying to "refute" the math is to say they did them 2 at a time.
Ive heard that as well, so stupid, it reduces the overall temperature of a conventional furnace and makes both bodies harder to burn.

'In modern crematoriums'
Op is a jew shill. Sage this.

>They drained the water. A simple engineering task easily accomplished by Germans.

Impossible, the site is between 2 rivers. Drainage wouldnt help much.

Really makes me think

>Ive heard that as well, so stupid, it reduces the overall temperature of a conventional furnace and makes both bodies harder to burn.

Most Holocaust believers are ignorant of basic physical concepts like mass and energy

Yes thermodynamics is a just a bug science word to most people

It's a bit more complex than that, they added the next body with 20 minutes remaining in the burn time. At this point the first body is reduced to a mass about the size of a football.

The time required to burn a body completely as quoted by deniers is also higher than 1940s era crematoriums claimed.

The ovens were built by Topf and sons, the leading builders of crematoriums in Europe in 1931. They weren't pizza ovens.

Why would you waste fuel sending jews to a camp, just to kill them there? The logistics there make no sense.

Yeah sure. If you live out in the woods where no one can see it. Try hanging a Nazi flag up in the city or in surburbia and see how that goes.

Anyway, the Holocaust foundation myth has affected us - just not as much as people in Europe.

Because it's easier than killing them where they are and disposing of the bodies there.

As a Frenchman you can be forgiven.

An American who has cooked meat over an open flame, which is all of us, knows where that energy came from.

To use them for slave labour.

In order for holomath to work, the ovens require 24/7 operation with no downtime and no maintenance and, an hour to burn an entire jewish corpse (do jews burn more efficiently?) and 4-5 bodies per muffle than can’t hold more than a single body with two pushing it unless they’re kids or midgets.

It’s a strawman anyways just like Zyklon-B. The “jewish people” claim that 66% of the gassings occurred at the destroyed treblinka and sobibor which have only like 10 total “survivor” eyewitnesses. That say diesel-powered Russian tank engines were used to gas jews packed in a chamber with carbon monoxide from exhaust fumes. Diesel exhaust has no lethal carbon monoxide though and more than enough oxygen to keep jews alive indefinitely. Introducing no gas at all and allowing them to suffocate from lack of air in minutes would actually be more effective. If you believe in the holocaust you deserve to be gassed yourself (with sarin or something viable for killing)

>The ovens were built by Topf and sons, the leading builders of crematoriums in Europe in 1931. They weren't pizza ovens.

They essentially were pizza ovens.

>It's a bit more complex than that, they added the next body with 20 minutes remaining in the burn time. At this point the first body is reduced to a mass about the size of a football.

It still doesnt change the laws of physics. Youre not going to speed anything up doing that.

All youve done is add another load of stuff to burn which first of all needs to be heated up from room temperature.

Autist does not realize you define heat with units of energy (Joules).

The match given by Mattogno is simply wrong, and he didn't know how to read official nazi documents.

The average time to complete a burn was 25 minutes. Topf was also well known at the time for providing ovens that could do burns on a day where they received maintenance. They did not need to be cooled down, according to the official manuals provided by Topf and sons.

In 1931 Germany cremated more than half of all bodies in all of Europe. Germany has more than half of all crematoriums in Europe and Topf was considered among the best.

From the official manual for the ovens, translated.

>As soon as the remains of the corpses have fallen from the chamotte grid to the ash collection channel below, they should be pulled forward towards the ash removal door, using the scraper. Here they can be left for a further twenty minutes to be fully consumed....In the meantime, further corpses can be introduced one after the other into the chambers.

Burning cattle. No need for coal - little bit of gasoline to get it going and the bodies burn themselves.

Open air burning pits at Auschwitz

>We literally have the furnaces they used for the typhus victims
>BUT WHAT IF NAZIS WERE USING LASER TECHNOLOGY TO WELD JEWISH BONES INTO STAR DESTROYERS

>posting Ghost Adventures as evidence

>The average time to complete a burn was 25 minutes.

Physically impossible, it takes hours.

>The average time to complete a burn was 25 minutes. Topf was also well known at the time for providing ovens that could do burns on a day where they received maintenance. They did not need to be cooled down, according to the official manuals provided by Topf and sons.
Bullshit. Just stop, boots. Your propaganda machine is broken. The holocaust objectively never happened. Jews deserved to be expelled to internment camps in the Pale of Settlement as political prisoners. Most of the ones in the “death camps” were never even citizens of Poland to begin with, they were freeloaders who showed up after WWI. Most lived unfortunately.

There aren’t any missing jews. The entire thing is made up. Jews killed more goyim in Russia than the fake muh six million fairytale claims and we only ever hear about themselves and their phony holocaust.

Make no mistake, the jews, especially ashkenazi jews, deserve to be totally exterminated in a very real holocaust and I pray every day that every single jew on this Earth dies in one. Blowback will lead to pogroms and the very least but the entire race of jews requires extermination. For everything they’ve done. The holocaust never happened but it needs to happen. Let’s make it happen. Let’s give the jewish “people” the precious holocaust they obsess over so much. Death to all jews

>using ghost adventures photoshop of an auschwitz photo as evidence that the auschwitz photo isn't real
Check out this pyre of burning corpses from Dresden.
>be kike
>scared of holocaust happening again
>go on internet and larp as holocaust denying neonazi
>"See goyim? If you don't support Israel or mass immigration, then you not only deny that the Holocaust happened, you wish it did!"

It only takes hours in modern crematoriums because of government regulations on handling of the bodies.

Transactions of the Cremation Society of England published in 1885 cites the time required for a complete in coffin burn at 60 - 75 minutes.

I don't even care if the holocaust happened, and there's plenty to be skeptical of, but the ovens definitely had the capability.

Indeed, the UK is very proud that its contribution to their war of destroying Europe and Germany is to firebomb civilians at night.

Let me also remark on how evil it is to use dead German civilians that the allies burned as "evidence" of the holocaust, alongside your fraud pictures.

>It only takes hours in modern crematoriums because of government regulations on handling of the bodies.

It takes hours because of physics.

As evening sets in Poland, the twilight glows red with smoke from the large pyres of Jews.

you stick a body in a crematorium, it ends up extinguishing the fire unless you add more fuel, the bodies themselves are not fuel and won't help burn anything

There's an enormous amount of coal required just for this that remains completely unaccounted for - in a country that was suffering major shortages it's a struggle to see them diverting so much coal for a job that a bullet could do

nevermind that if they wanted to gas people, they wouldn't have needed poisonous cyanide. The germans literally invented a chemical process for pulling nitrogen out of the atmopshere - they could've safely and painlessly gassed with pure nitrogen and run no risk of any poisoning of anything, and the nitrogen is literally everywhere already. The only reason it's clear this didn't happen is because this would've required pumps and air-tight chambers and none of these exist at any of the camps

That's another thing, the gas chambers weren't air-tight, and there's no pumps to move air in or out of them, so how do you get soldiers in there to remove bodies without also dying?

At auschwitz in particular they supposed stuffed everyone into a 20x20 room, gassed them, then hauled them to an elevator that could move 1-3 bodies at a time, then hauled them to the cremators (of which there were 20)

Do this and multiply it by 6,000,000, it just gets ridiculous and comical. (Actually they lowered the death toll now to 1.4 million iirc - probably realizing how ridiculous the 6m claim was, but the overall death toll for the entire holocaust was never changed, just the auschwitz one, and the claim is now 20 million dead in total, not 6 million - 6 million was just the jews)

It's all inconsistent and doesn't make sense. You see this pattern repeat as you examine and read biographies from all the holocaust survivors claiming they were there and saw jewish kids being masturbated to death or women being fucked to death by dogs or nazi's playing football with jewish babies.

I literally quoted a cremation journal, you can go look at the data yourself.

Even the deniers who quote Mattogno's papers cite a number of 60 minutes.

Smoke from Auschwitz's open air crematoria fills the skies (1943)

>I literally quoted a cremation journal, you can go look at the data yourself.

No you didnt.

Sonderkommando inspect a mass grave of recently exhumed Jews, whose rotting corpses are soon to be burned

Never heard anything about not being hot enough, only heard they couldn't burn even 1 million in five years.

The bodies of two Ethiopian Jews are thrown onto a pyre as a Sonderkommando prepares for the pyre to be ignited

>dead jews
>a bunch of farm animals
lel

...a bunch of those look like cows or deer

Also, there isn't a direct number burned, some make it seem like all 6 million were.

As the pit of corpses burns, one Jewish corpse's arms are raised upwards, as if in silent prayer to the heavens for justice

The only thing I didn't tell you was the page number, it's 60.

The most efficient and fastest way to kill a lot of people is to starve them.

1. Doesn't require specialized resources
2. In fact you deny them consumption of your resources
3. It only takes about 3-7 days to do it

It's honestly the biggest reason for the holocaust not making a fucking lick of sense.

>The only thing I didn't tell you was the page number, it's 60.

Link?

This Sonderkommando wears a mask to protect himself from the unbearable stench and suffocating fumes of the mass of bodies burning next to him

Oops

Starving would take much more time actually

So how many Juden were roasted in Auschwitz pizza ovens?
6 gorillion? 2.5 million? or 1.1 million dead at Auschwitz?

Pick a number any number, but pls stick with that number bouncing around and changing the Big Lie gets confusing.

The same LIARS that brought you 6 gorillion gassed also set off the 9/11 False Flag.

911history.de/aaannxyz_ch11_en.html

>be the germans
>have six million jews you want to murder
>smartass has a great idea
>"Let's starve them to death!"
>idiot doesn't remember june 1941 to january 1942
>we starved 2.8 million christian POWs to death
>it was a humanitarian nightmare as well as logistical
>just shooting them is easier and more humane
>himmler is appalling at the humanitarian conditions of mass executions of jews by shooting
>cyanide gas is easier and more humane

It's 50 meters of paper documents held at Durham University, you'll have to go there physically but you live in England so it should be possible for you

>It's 50 meters of paper documents held at Durham University, you'll have to go there physically but you live in England so it should be possible for you

So you can't prove that the document says what you claim it does.

End of story.

The number of corpses so staggeringly high, at times the Nazis were required to employ earthmoving equipment in the efforts to dispose of the bodies

So, from a fire or something?

Nice going retard

people argue that six million kikes couldnt have possibly been cremated like that, despite the fact that the 6 million that supposedly died werent all in the camps nor were they all cremated (mass graves)

The best people to consult on the feasibility of disposing of this much flesh is undoubtedly the people who disposed of some 10 million cattle and sheep carcasses in the UK in 2001 to prevent the spread of of foot and mouth disease.

The pictures really make me want to do a "CATTLE HOLOCAUST" documentary.

>people argue that six million kikes couldnt have possibly been cremated like that, despite the fact that the 6 million that supposedly died werent all in the camps nor were they all cremated (mass graves)

The trouble is nobody can find any giant mass graves either.

I don't know how you think starving everyone is less of a logistical nightmare than shipping them all into 'death camps' where you need hundreds of tons of cyanide gas to kill them, specialized equipment and facilities to gas them in, thousands of soldiers to police them, thousands of workers to dispose the clothing/ashes, and tens of thousands more tons of coal to burn all the evidence so you can say it's just ash blown away when asked where all the bodies went.

You cannot reach such temperatures in a stone oven

Well I've been there and reviewed the records. Do you have any documentation that supports your claims on time required for a cremation?

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Except that it isn't. There was no gassing in those camps.

>Well I've been there and reviewed the records. Do you have any documentation that supports your claims on time required for a cremation?

Your claims are worthless.

And yours equally by the same measure.

Show me the physics.

Those are farm animals lol

To starve millions of people to death you need hundreds of thousands of armed men to guard them and secure facilities to house them, and it takes two months. After which you have to dispose of the bodies.

And the Nazis used many of the people they would eventually kill as workers to do those tasks. They also employed your starvation idea on three million Soviet POWs and decided that this was easier.

>And yours equally by the same measure.

Well no they arent. We know that bodies take hours to burn from available information.

You have no available information saying it can be done in 20 minutes.

Everyone in denial of the holocaust is a racist piece of shit, so insensitive.

Have any of you actually been to arsewitch? have you seen the shoes ? have you seen the gold rings and hair?

Actually you haven't established that with a single study. "we know"

Pic related is a mass grave at Bergen-Belsen, filled with typhus victims. May 1, 1945

The mass graves are definitely there.

Yes, we know, i take you are american

>Actually you haven't established that with a single study. "we know"

People checked with actual working crematoria, thats how long it takes.

This is such a retarded non-argument.

Hey dipshit ,what do you think it is when you kidnap someone, force them to work, and they wind up dying due to disease/starvation/injury/whatever while they are being held against their will?

You dumb fucks always make this stupid excuse like "OHHH ALL THEY DID WAS FORCEFULLY DETAIN THEM AND THEY DIED FROM STARVATION! THE INNOCENT NAZI DID NOTHING WRONG!"

Even if your version of events were true, they would STILL be mass murdering psychopaths. I wish I could detain and starve every retarded person that uses this argument. "KEK SORRY KIDDO, ALLIES FAULT I CANT FEED YOU XDDD"

Fucking retards.

>Pic related is a mass grave at Bergen-Belsen, filled with typhus victims. May 1, 1945
>The mass graves are definitely there

Dug by the Allies in that case, yes.

According to Witold's report, the crematoria in Birkenau was able to burn 8000 people daily. From may 1940 until January 1945 is around 1700 days. 8000 times 1700 equals 13600000.