National Bolshevism

Hey everyone. This thread is intended for National Bolsheviks. I read Dugin's "Fourth Political Theory" about two years ago and really enjoyed it. I am curious as to what the actual National Bolshevik movement is like? If you are a NazBol, please explain to me how the movement works and your exact beliefs.

Note: I am currently a nationalist who leans in favor of Italian Style Fascism.

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>Italian style facism

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Basically if Hitler and Stalin had a child
yes this the best way to describe our views basically mixing communism with national socialism and a hatred for jews

ok buddy your time is up, you need to leave.

>ideological success equates to military success

Wtf I love Marxist-Leninism and Liberal capitalism now.

Before you look for our memes they are mostly like this

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The NazBol community consists out of many left nationalists. Strasserists also usually side with us since we have similar views. Several of our comrades are active on /leftypol/ as well. But the other leftists usually don't accept us. Just like most of the right wing. Which is sad since we all got many things in common. Usually our movement expresses itself through explicit meming. Sadly we don't really have any parties to support rn. The Russian National Bolshevik Party was made illegal after all. Many if us admire Otto Straser, Stalin and some even like the Kims for their nationalistic ways of socialism. I that was of any use for you.

The problem with Sup Forums is that they will support right wing parties or economic policies purely because they are right wing (and in some of their eyes, be edgy)

It’s hard to sell some basic concepts of Strasserism to a Sup Forumsack simply because “lol socialism fuck off commie lmao”

*I hope that was of any use for you.

Dont be stupid, dugin just wants to destroy the west so that russia can rule over it. Intelectually he is a joke and was massacred in the debate with olavo de carvalho.

I'm not a fan of socialism. I don't like the idea of the social welfare net. I believe in individual responsibility and individual determination. My beliefs on that are akin to Samuel Smile's "Self Help". I have my issues with Fascism, but I feel that the right wing has better answers.

I don't dislike the left because it is left. I dislike the left because of what it does to countries and what it does to the world.

Yeah. Sad but true.

Do NazBol like being ruled over by Jews?

Well then here is your chance to explain your views to me, I'll listen.

>I read Dugin's "Fourth Political Theory"
>about two years ago and really enjoyed it
I agree, it was astounding how much hypocrisy and talk-about-nothing can be crammed into a single book.
I read the Russian one BTW. Apparently there is a pt.2 out there (not counting the god knows how many redactions the first one by now).
>I am curious as to what the actual National Bolshevik movement is like
There are some far and between meetings in Moscow where a few dozen or so (usually highschoolers) meet with Dugin
and talk about how evil and degenerate the west is, while ignoring their own even more fucked situation there.
>a nationalist who leans in favor of Italian Style Fascism
Then why are you in favour of Eurasian/druzhba narodov Soviet-style communism with even more state control than before?
And National Bolshevism is an oxymoron: bolshevism (it means of-the-mayority, aka globalism) in itself is in oppsition to nationalism of any kind.
So you are either a troll or extremely guillible, just like most of the Hitler cultists who call themselves National Socialists these days.

I never said I was interested in becoming a National Bolshevik. I agree that Dugin's entire book is hypocritical and essentially just "I hate that the west abuses everything, I wish Russia could abuse everything!"

I'm interested in how the movement works as a college student of political science.

Strasserism is borderline communism, it would eventally lead to the same thing that Marxism does. Also a fun fact: the late Soviet Union outiside of Moscow/Russia was pretty much Strasserism.

>how the movement works
It doesn't, it is just an edgy LARPfest. NazBol is nowhere near as well known in Russia as it is in the west. I suggest you go to 2ch's english board, there is a tiny chance someone with more knowledge will let you in on more.

NazBol is shit. Look at North Korea, Stalinist Russia and Ceaucescu's Romania to see what NazBol is like.

No. We don't. Remove filthy Jewish globalistic capitalist pigs.

CNN journo LARPing as a Russian troll farm

>using retarded commie vocabulary to disguise the fact that you're a fucking commie
Kill yourself, faggots.
Bolshevism is literally communism, it's what the retarded commies called themselves to imply that they were the majority, and anyone who isn't a communist is a minority. Putting ''National'' in front of communism doesn't make it any more appealing. The commie pieces of shit were nationalistic. So what?

Strasser disavowed his anti-semitism in his later days. Fuck him.

Sounds like a great defense mechanism.

There is no "movement" outside a few edgy teenagers on the internet, it's basically a meme. They've been emboldened by getting a meme flag on here.

bunping with classics

Thanks to the retarded left wing mods who boast on reddit about how they have successfully taken up mod positions.
There should be no communist or '''''''''''''national''''''''''''''''''' communist flags.

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Sounds good to me. I would team up with you guys if it meant we could gas the Jews. Too bad you're also communists.

Stop attributing Strasser quotes to Hitler and sullying his name.

Except jews invented bolshevism you retard

There is not much to sully. He fucked up bigtime, the consequences can still be felt today.

Semitic revenge turned into damage control which Stalin was effective in.
Bolshevism though, utterly destroying the rotten foundations of the west is a good thing.

>jews crashing western civilisation with no survivors is better than jews crashing western civilisation with no survivors
This is literally what you're arguing.

Hitler took a cappy turn later on unfortunately, if Hitler would've been more Stalin-esque in his purges and more strasserist like in his anti-porky actions he'd be less seen as controlled op by our enemies.

The commie flag is 99% people baiting. The Nazbol flag is the invariable sign of the edgy teenager.

But they literally didn't crash ''western civilishun'', they had powerfantasies of ruling soviet union with a genocidal dysgenic vision.
Their plans were foiled with icepicks and gulags.
Sadly most of these satellite state jews moved to Amerikkka & israel

zionists are nationalists you fucking retard

>a genocidal dysgenic vision
>icepicks and gulags
So they succeded then.

the one man who tried to stop the international jewry of the world is bad because he didn't succeed

Being edgy isn't a bad thing
Zionistas are imperialists with powerfantasies comparable to the jewish revolutionaries, but I can assure you the zionistas will lose

I've read enough /leftypol/ garbage to know that a lot of these people are legit and they are invading Sup Forums to try and turn us into commies because they believe we are all low IQ and easy to influence with ''memes.'' They're fucking retarded.

The National Bolshevik flag tries to appeal to the average Sup Forums users by going ''I a-am n-nationalist too!!!'' and the Bolshevik part tries to play down the fact that these people are straight up communists. The Bolsheviks are the literal communists who people are thinking of when they think of communism.
These people are slimy parasites.

Night of the Long Knives when?

No modern system is without a social welfare system. Only third world countries.

fuckoff

hello /leftypol/

Strasserism isn't just welfare. It's full on public control of the means of production Bolshevik crap.

Probably never. The entire world is falling apart. At this point I just want to see the commie retards get what they want so I can watch the world burn and laugh in their faces as they cry about how Sup Forums was right again.

>strasserism was made by a single person

Dugin was right in his anti-Patriotard sentiment, most blacks are completely dedicated to their version of anti western civilishun

Too bad the international ones were not his only enemy then. His grand delusions of a continent spanning German empire, lebensraum, and serf states known as reichcommisariats made sure that no self aware non-German would ever support him.

NAZBOL GANG
he is right

Non-Germans are pathetic and subservient. They will do as ordered.

>guild socialism, which is a non Marxist market form of market socialism is the same as the Soviet command economy.

Ceausescu was a national communist/nazbol too.
And guess what?

More white romanians died and starved than gypsies during his reign.
Romanians sold each other to the secret police for an extra bread. That's why they're so divided today.
Ethnic communist is still garbage.

You're either fascist and truly put your people first, or you're a commie that equally murders your ethnic population.

Best form of fascism is national socialism(nazism)

>(((bourgeoisie)))

>jews single handedly get degeneracy accepted and destroy people's lives if they speak out
>commie fuck sees it
>''LMAO FUCK WHITE PEOPLE! I LOVE JEWS, BLACKS, JEWS, SPICS, JEWS AND JEWS NOW :DDDDD''
Fuck commies.

What a coincidence that Weimer republic was USA levels of degenerate with transsexual prostitutes and little boys getting fucked. Germans kicked out the jews who moved to Sweden, America and UK, now there's transsexualism, gay acceptance and every flavor of degeneracy imaginable in those places. What a coincidence that America went from a pro-white nationalistic traditional society to a multicultural degenerate state shortly after WW2 and the massive influx of jewish immigrants.

Pure coincidence. Nothing to do with jews, goyim. It's the white man!

>(((genderidentitarian liberals)))

>Dugin

hmm what they brag on reddit?I'm curious now, can you point to a comment?

fucking dirty commies

WHERE MY NAZCAP BROTHERS AT

While I agree with you in the first part, I must say that you truly don't know your history that well if you tend to say that national socialism was the best form of fascism. Come on man, at least pay respects to your ancestors properly. Read Codreanu's "For My Legionaries" and his manifesto and you'll realize the significant differences between the Iron Guard and the Italian Fascists or the German National Socialists - and ultimately why Codreanu's doctrine was far better suited for Romania (as it retained the Monarchy as a central, unifying power in charge of keeping the traditions and culture intact).

I'd recommend Julius Evola's essay "The Tragedy of the Romanian Iron Guard" as well, it's a 26 pages essay written by Evola depicting his time in Bucharest in the early 1920s at the Iron Guard residence, meeting Codreanu and talking with him.

>archive.org/details/TheTragedyOfTheIronGuardCodreanu

National Socialism is controlled opposition to communism. Captialism should be called "free trade" which is gay. Protectionism and Henry Clay is American and the best system on earth. Nazis were socialists, pagans, hindu swastika, homofacists.

It's old news. I can't find anything specific. There used to be screenshots going around from reddit boards where someone was bragging about becoming a mod on Sup Forums

There might be some info here
reddit.com/r/Sup Forums/comments/2gop5g/pretty_much_confirmed_a_sjw_mod_is_on_a_rampage/

youtube.com/watch?v=EzRDPPuw_io
It's their right as individuals

How big was the nazbol party in Russia at their height?

Codreanu was heavily inspired by Hitler and national socialism. The Iron Guard was made after his original nat soc party failed. If anything, Legionarism was going to be a christian national socialism most likely.

Christianity is a political tool for the left (PSD) in Romania. Keep in mind that modern romanian Christianity has changed since Codreanu's time.We have racial issues with the gypsies, which is why nat soc would be ideal. I'm aware of Codreanu's book, its very good.

Right now, stopping the bastardization of the romanians with the gypsies is more important than securing christianity.

There is no such thing. The Bolsheviks were THE communists.
This is like asking ''hurr, how big was the nationalsozialistische party at their height?''

Nazis were not socialists or leftists. Hitler just wanted to redefine the term "socialism" as he felt that marxism/communism tainted the word. He could've name his ideology any other name.

Oh wow I love Bolshevism now!

bonus

check'd, quite inspiring.

>Codreanu was heavily inspired by Hitler and national socialism.

That's where you are wrong - the entire legionary movement was created at first as an anti-bolshevic militia back in 1918, at the end of the First World War - its whole existence was revolved around countering pro-bolshevic propaganda that was quickly spreading throughout Eastern Europe - propaganda that was mainly aimed at the Monarchy itself. See, both Codreanu and the Legionary movement was Monarchist at its core and it remained like this up until Codreanu's assassination by King Carol. I'll quote Evola himself here:

> Our meeting took place at the time of the fall of the Goga cabinet, of the direct intervention of the King, of the promulgation of the new constitution, of the plebiscite. We had heard in detail about the hidden side of this upheaval. Codreanu, in a lucid synthesis, added to our vision of this matter. He had much faith in the future, and even in the imminent victory of the movement. If it had not reacted and shown any opposition, this was for precise tactical reasons: "If there had been regular elections, as Goga had thought, we would have won with an overwhelming majority". [...] We have conquered the first line of trenches, then the second, then the third, and the adversary, which had shut itself away in a cubby hole, in the security which it offers, fires shots at us, not knowing that we would like nothing better than to come to its help against its real enemy".

Fact of the matter is, Codreanu wanted to incorporate the Monarchy and the Church in a new state and doctrine that had a lot of unique characteristics when compared with the other fascist movements.

>"We Must recall again this other sentence by Codreanu, in relation to our question about his standpoint towards the king: "But we are all Monarchists; it is just that we cannot renounce our mission and make compromises with an outdated and corrupt world".

>I dislike the left because of what it does to countries and what it does to the world.


Yep.

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>Christianity is a political tool for the left (PSD) in Romania.

It is indeed, mainly due to an incompetent leadership that has many ties with the former Securitate - but don't make the mistake that most Romanians do of thinking that the entire Orthodox Church is corrupt, because it's not. There has been a systematic media attempt at denigrating the image of the Orthodox Church in the last couple of years, and if you look closely, you'll see who benefits from this the most - severing the ties of spirituality from a nation is what creates monsters like in the West. Modern Christianity has indeed changed, but the rural, uneducated Romanian peasant (that forms the backbone of this nation AND the majority) still holds dear to those (((outdated))) Christian values that have glued our Romanian national spirit since our inception as a nation.

You can't cut the ties between the Church and the population, not in a country like this. National Socialism was, at the end of its cycle, atheist or paganist at its core - at least when it came to leadership (and I'm not talking Hitler necessarily). Such an ideology would never work here - and truthfully, when looking at the general size of the Romanian Orthodox Church, you'll see that by controlling/allying with it, you'll eventually get the entire country behind you.

>We have racial issues with the gypsies, which is why nat soc would be ideal

Legionarism touched the gippo question as well - it was decided to relocate them out of the country when the war would have ended. The entire plan was for a Romania for Romanians, no foreign meddling, no minorities to look after, no hard regrets.

>Right now, stopping the bastardization of the romanians with the gypsies is more important than securing christianity.

Securing Christianity should be on the first place.You get rid of that, you'll be invaded by muzzies, LGBT+++ hordes, SJW brainwashing and third-wave feminism. Especially in the current time

He didn't try to stop them you fool, he tried to use them. The beef nazis had with the jews was basically a little gang trying to rebel against the big boss.

Check the donations NSDAP received. Hitler tricked western bankers and industrialists into supporting him and then nationalized Reichsbank, because he wanted complete control. That's when the jews declared a war on him. He used to be their favourite pet before.

It's almost a complete copy of what the Soviet Union did to industrialize the country. They made the western banks and companies invest heavily there, promising that it's going to "domesticate" the regime. Their agents simultaneously started spreading lies that the regime is unstable and about to fall, so acts of hostility are likely to make it last longer and it'd be best to support it. This campaign was so successful that even some anti-commie Russian dissidents returned to the country. When the country was industrialized, the commie regime threw the westerners out, returned to stringent regulations on everything commerce-related and arrested/executed all the dissidents. All things considered, it was a perfect disinfo operation.

Hitler and Stalin were pals before Barbarossa, so it's quite likely that this little Hitler-Jews scrap was a direct result of Hitler trying to copy this little communist psyop with less success.
If you're looking for people trying to stop the international jewry, that'd be guys like Ron Paul.

Most young romanians that are atheists or agnostic, are left wing. If you want to attract them to fascism/right wing nationalism, you gotta use other means than Christianity.

Race and culture come first, Christianity is list, but not that important. If things keep up, we'll see a gypsy patriarch in the romanian church.

Focus on race&IQ, how most homosexuals are unstable and degenerate, scientific facts, promote white racial/romanian identity etc.

You can appeal both the christians and the atheists/agnostics/pagans.
You have to play well.

Syndicalism is commie as as fuck though. It's quite literally workers controlling the means of production.

t.syndicalist

>Most young romanians that are atheists or agnostic, are left wing.

And they don''t vote. You don't have to attract them, we all know that they are far gone, and I'm talking here about the entire pro-USR camp formed of liberal arts university students or people that work in the foreign corporations, the same guys that would shill for pro-LGBT marriage and such. The people that you go for are 30+, that have kids, that think about their future in this country alongside their families, that do not want to emigrate to another shithole not because they can't afford it, but because they actually like their country.

>If things keep up, we'll see a gypsy patriarch in the romanian church.

Never - and I don't get your entire focus with the gippos when it comes to the Church, they're not that religious anyway and most priests actually hate them because they have to deal with them in their tiny communities. Most of the clerical Orthodox staff is as right-winged as it gets, and closer to fascism as they would like to admit, due to their constant social activities in helping their communities.

>promote white racial/romanian identity etc.

This + increase of demographics. If we don't get our shit together in the next 10 years, we'll officially disappear as a country in 2040 - as our population will drop to - 14 mil, which makes the density/territory a huge issue, considering our neighbors. A change has to enact very soon, or you'll have nothing left to govern. Considering our economical situation as of now, we're heading towards a massive crisis at the end of the next year, which in turn brings a whole of a lot of other problems.

If there's any chance for a movement, now it's officially the time for it to start.

Codreanu was a zealot, I can't even grasp why Evola hailed him as Evola praised Tradition and not some specific God. Codreanu is Khomeini tier desu, but many zealots fail to come to terms with this fact as they don't want to be associated with the other side of the coin - Islam.

> I can't even grasp why Evola hailed him as Evola praised Tradition

And that's what Codreanu was praising as well - preservation of tradition and culture by retaining the Monarchic nature of the Romanian state and creation of a culture of perfection in the Romanian people - think of Nietchez's Ubermensch on a national level, sprinkled with Orthodox flavor (and the last part was intentional, as it represented the only way to preserve tradition in Romania, as the average Romanian was highly religious and the very fabric of the state demanded so). SeeEvola hailed him because he literally represented the entire outcome of the "Revolt Against A Modern World" concept - a man among the ruins of modern degeneracy, trying to change the fabric of the status quo by revolting against it, embracing the traditions of his forefathers as his shield.

>liberal arts

There's no such thing in Romania, we are second world. Many from among the ranks of the second worlders borrow the lingo of the bulk of the users of this board, Anglos usually who are first world and have all these abomninations there.

>our population will drop to - 14 mil

I'm glad actually, we are overpopulated. What I am rather worried about is the depopulation of the smaller cities, most of the people fleeing to Bucharest, Iași, Cluj, Timișoara etc. Even my large city used to have 300k 15 years ago and now it only has 250k inhabitants. I also hate it that Sibiu has become the city young lolberals hail and praise and it also gains population.

Wow, you found a way to make communism even worse.
Congratulations, faggot.

>Codreanu
>Nietzsche

Don't associate these two, Nietzsche wouldn't like it. I'd rather assert Codreanu to nutjobs like Kant or Kierkegaard, kek. He chose Orthodoxy as a guise to entice the bulk of the population, every esoteric traditionalist knows that there is no other way than heathenry, which is Slavic for our folk.

The old Christians still vote PSD. The ones that don't, are apolitical. Regardless, they are gonna die eventually. If the youth isn't interested in fascism, or nationalism, it's downhill from here on end.

Don't forget about how some Christians are fine with based christian gypsies. (since Christianity is about loving your enemy etc) Using Christianity as an argument will get the leftist to use that phrase on you, effectively beating you in an argument ,and turning the normies away.
Main targets to attract would be apolitical young people or centrists that are non religious. USR fanboys are already a different case, you can't argue with those guys.

Regardless, our main goal is fascism plus racialism which can attract young non religious people if done right, while promising current christians that they will be protected.

You don't need to be a christian to be nationalist . you can still reject reject gay degeneracy as an right wing atheist/agnostic/pagan.
Crashing the current system and the rebirth of Romania, that's our best slogan.

>There's no such thing in Romania

What, nigger? Liberal arts education incorporates academic areas such as Arts (fine arts, Music, Performing Arts, Literature), Philosophy, Social Science - all of which are infested with left-leaning students, at least in major cities such as Cluj or Bucharest. UNATC or Mincu have the highest percentage of degenerates, for that matter.

>I'm glad actually, we are overpopulated.

Not at all, considering the size of the country. The moment the population drops to 14 mil, you'll lose a lot of the territory due to various territorial demands based on ethnic criteria or history.

>What I am rather worried about is the depopulation of the smaller cities

We can thank the commies and the neo-commies for that (+ the West after the (((revolution)))). Move to the city, goy, you'll have a nice life there, goy. Having a house in a clean, nice village is bad for you, you won't be able to participate in all of this mindless consumerism, goy.

Christianity is indeed crooked and for the masses, it only has to be skewed in the right way as the rabble won't renounce Gahd for the runes championed by the elites.

Himmler had a nice approach of traditionalism, the best one. He wasn't too straightforward in shoving Pagan morals onto the throats of the Germans, but he used Sowilo runes for SS, Tiwaz as a decoration, Algiz/Yr for birth/death date etc.

kek, read that title as "You are Warriors of Rope".

Don't join the bolshevik scum unless you want to join being a degenerate piece of shit, only good communist is a dead communist.

lol OP doesn't have a clue

My city is a dreary wrack. Maybe the depression is kept at bay only by the huge number of pubs, one per every 5 blocks. This is the heritage of communism, I dream of moving to the countryside someday. I know it would be a rather craven conduct, but I'd leave Romania for good, too hot and also large for my liking. Latvia should be fine, their towns usually pass for "villages" here.

t. baltboo

Anyway, degeneracy has been seeping into the village since the death of the communism as well, all the young village folk are parrotting suburban trash who in fact parrot niggers, so you end up seeing young rural men tilling and harvesting in a nigger attire, kek. I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.

>every esoteric traditionalist knows that there is no other way than heathenry, which is Slavic for our folk.

As I've said before, you can't apply this for the Romanian volk - their traditions revolve around Orthodox Christianity, and if you actually paid attention to Eliade, you'd see that through Orthodoxy our nation retained most of its pagan roots - old romanian sayings/folk songs/fables/special traditions, all of them were kept intact with the help of the Church.

You can't just pop your fingers and go full heathen, not in this country. Yea, you might do the Himmler approach, as you've correctly said here , but you have to keep the Church institution intact.

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yep

Haven't really read Eliade, something is off-putting about him ever since they shoved it down my throat in the 9th grade - the Maitreyi crap. I know, this argument is childish but I am still a conflicted high school faggot, maybe I'll wisen up and pluck up the courage to start reading something from him.

The key is to advance slowly, not to replace crosses with runes cold turkey but to, say, add an Algiz rune to the church walls. The first action to be undertaken is to graft heathenry onto Christianity, and only afterwards can one draw the Volk closer to its European roots. I chose Algiz as an example as it is a Germanic runes and I don't know the Slavic ones, but a Slavic one would definitely be fit for Romania.

I would also undertake huge linguistical changes, practically trying to come back to how Romanian was before the Transylvanian school and the French (and other romance) neologisms galore. Romanian sounds so false to me, even though I ain't a linguist and honestly I have never learnt a foreign language; but there's a sweet undertow to our "latinity", Slavic words sound so nice and natural, at least to me. Again, this is hard to do, especially that now most of the Slavic words are used as neologisms if they don't lie forgotten in dictionaries, as archaisms. Haughty and hypocritical normalfags also deem Slavic words as "peasanty", and when they play the diletante card they use Latin, longwr words in order to come across as "intellectual".

Why's fascism always compared to NatSoc?

NatSoc is just a fringe branch of fascism

Nat soc is a form of fascism. Still fascism.

More accurate t b h