Universal Basic Income is a Trojan Horse

Why are (((they))) pushing this so hard in every country? They're talking about bringing it to the UK now.

>Muh free money
UBI will give EVERYONE, regardless of income £7,000 a year to live on; and will replace the current benefits system.

This means that those who currently get more than £7K in benefits (e.g the disabled) will lose money, so the wealthy elite can each get their £7K too.

UK is a socialist country, and it works ok for most people, but what is coming with UBI is nothing short of GLOBAL COMMUNISM. Why is this bad? Well what happens to food prices and rent if everyone (including the middle and upper class) suddenly gets this disposable income, while the poorest have money taken from them?

>Food prices will skyrocket
>Rent will skyrocket

They are pushing this HARD right now..
news.sky.com/story/universal-basic-income-finland-shows-how-salary-for-all-works-11119005

"And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine."
--Rev 6:6

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Good for neets, i'll support it.

Globalist communists are pushing global communism and you're asking why?

A Trojan horse for what, national bankruptcy?

Only stupid people would even consider UBI. Within minutes the poverty level will increase by that exact amount. Every single thing you need to buy to stay alive will increase by that exact amount. Only the wealthy will make out like bandits. Libtards. I swear, they all need to be flogged.

That's not the worst part. There's some country in the Middle East that does this. As long as you don't criticize the regime you're okay, but if you are politically incorrect they'll take away your gibs.

kys. NEETs are nonexistent in Singapore

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kek
But yes not only is there no way we can pay for it but also it will cause total misery amongst the population. Money without working for it can ruin the best people, just look at lottery winners. From longtime welfare recipients we know that people won't just go out and do something or be artists or whatever.

>expel europeans
>bring even more asians/africans
>give them even more money for nothing

the (c)uk is winning

This is the plan for a soft transition to communism. They are going to fully nationalize most of the corporations this time, they set precedent for it with the bailouts done in 2008. They will try to make people accept nationalization with UBI. This could be 2 recessions away but I would not be surprised for this to take effect during the next one. Jews obviously do not want to give any wealth away so UBI will result in a net lower standard of living

universale basic income?
that sounds like bitcoin.

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I guess there's nothing wrong with a 7000k per captia non-progressive tax to pay out 7000k per person, since it nets to zero.

But with a progressive tax system, some will pay more in taxes than they receive.

Investment goes down, so less goods are produced. The same amount of money is chasing them, prices go up.

Instead of demanding infrastructure to build up productive capacity, consumable goods are demanded by teeming poor. They do not build up productive capacity, rather they help the ranks of the teeming poor multiply to demand ever more..

mental midget detected

>I guess there's nothing wrong with a 7000k per captia non-progressive tax to pay out 7000k per person, since it nets to zero
That's where you are wrong

UBI is great. Fuck capitalists. Lets increase this UBI to really good levels

If each person pays 7000k and they get paid 7000k then the whole exercise is a nullop.

That' is 7000k from each man woman and child even infants, and 7000k to each man woman and child even infants. (-7000k + 7000k = 0 )

Just keep giving people something for nothing and watch humanity magically improve.

Gentlemen, we're fucked.

Seems good. It will help many lower class people meet their needs. Furthermore, as lower class laborers become unemployed due to automation, we'll be able to afford these programs more.

UBI is nothing more than a panacea to consumer capitalism with the inevitability of automation starving human consumers of disposable income.

Many socialists embrace UBI thinking it will usher in a new era of socialism; nowhere in any UBI scheme does worker control of production come into play. They intend for it to replace "cruel" unemployment or welfare benefits or some other drivel about human dignity.

Automation could destroy 45% or more of work activities in developed nations, leading to mass unemployment and unrest, as well as the destruction of the mass consumer capitalist economy. UBI is intended as a theoretical solution to that crisis, and literally nothing else - the government would not be providing goods and services or regulating what people spend their money on, it would simply be infusing the consumer economy with cash. Theoretically, unemployment would then become immensely profitable in the short term to (((those))) who control the distribution of wealth.

Thankfully, many realize it would also completely destroy the same economy it was designed to save, raping middle income taxpayers and disincentivizing work. It is also practically impossible to fund without collapsing under its own weight or being undermined by black marketeers or catastrophic social upheaval that would negate the need for it in the first place.

Kikes are just trying to replace actually effective social programs, such as healthcare and education, with this bullshit that is basically throwing coins to the plebs.

There would be absolutely no need for this in a proper prosperous nation with healthy, educated and enterprising people. Basically, smart and sane white people would NEVER need anything like this. So I suspect that this was invented as another incentive for the brown hordes that Jews are sending to Europe. And of course this is going to be financed out of the white middle class pockets, since Jew mega-corporations like Apple (chairman Levinson) don't pay any taxes.

>tfw revolutionary marxism is a terrifying and inevitably genocidal ideology, but Marx wasn't actually wrong about automation making capitalism obsolete.

Sucks to be you. I have generous parents.

Will you be as generous to your children?

ubi is nothing but communism without forced labour - it doesnt work.

leftists ALL are fanatics about money - they want a system to exists which distributes it 'fairly' - discrimination of men (which mild socialism is) is not immoral in their eyes.

the best economic system would be universal basic WORKLOAD - but leftists will never accept this as the actually 'social and just' version of an economic system - they arent interested in something like that. all their interest lies in CONTROL of money.

Get back to us after you graduate high school ffs.

u idiots don't realize why UBI is necessary .. with billions, yes billions of people willing to work for 1$ a day the first world cannot compete. Throw in automation and AI and you realise the situation is fucked. Without UBI most uneducated people in the weather will be left on the street Ithe next 20 years.

ALL of those oil kingdoms are doing this - and by "this" I mean they are throwing oil gold at their people, but only at pious Muslim Arabs. They have Islamic National Socialism. With slave owning. Europeans don't even have their own nation states today, lol.

Excellent answer user

wrong

This. Besides, the ultimate goal of all our technological ventures is that eventually man will not have to work, machines will handle EVERYTHING. So when you are asked, while on a date, "what do you do?" You will not answer, "I work as an X" you will answer, "I enjoy my free time."

if the machines displace enough workers it will be required

>cancel all tax payer funded social welfare programs
>replace with UBI
>smart people invest properly and prosper
>degenerates go broke and have no excuse since it's a more level playing field
What's the problem here?

only a cuck would choose to go to work when the alternative is to spend your time bettering yourself.

And when I am asked what I will eat for dinner I will not answer "gravy made from the hands of a slave" I will answer "I survive by intellectual discussion and the pursuit of knowledge"

>Why are (((they))) pushing this so hard in every country?
Because they need inflation to keep giving out shitty loans

Ah, but in this world of ours, it's not really a choice. Hopefully one day though, we will be sufficiently advanced to the point that we can all spend our time bettering ourselves.

W-wut...

this is true. inflation won't occur without cash infusion .. with wages stagnating, demand stagnates.. this will continue as we get more automation and factories continue to go to the third world

It's simple: if all the jews that fucked us over many times before support it, then obviously, it'll fuck us again.

ull need an at least 40 % tax bracket for the ubi, additionally 30% to maintain the state.

if 60% of the ppl in your country dont work because nobody works 50 h weeks just to have 200 bucks more a month (because of the 70% taxes), how do u think will the 40% working ppl generate enough money for all ppl?

Why did one punch man tie her sleeves.

Lol

Most people work in jobs that are very easily automated. The 40 hour week is already going away.

>Every single thing you need to buy to stay alive will increase by that exact amount.
Only if there's monopolies. Otherwise capitalism should take care of it just like it does now. That is, unless there are cartels or monopolies.

>Without UBI most uneducated people in the weather will be left on the street Ithe next 20 years.

Then create universal basic housing, dumbass. Much better than throwing money at everybody including savage africans, ripping off the only stable taxpayers that exist: the white middle class. This Jewish financialization of everything is the real rot behind human misery. The public sector, aka the state, needs to take care of some problems without the "help" of shekel-counting ratlike financiers.

Communism in three stages
1)Buy compliance with NEETbux. From each (political legitimacy) according to his ability (zero), to each according to his need (a bribe).
2) Consolidate state power
3) Eliminate power competitors and useless NEETs to achieve communist utopia where where enlightened Marxist live in luxury on the blood of the dumb schmuck workers.

Easy

nah, we are currently substituted by 16h/day workers in china, as soon as they have become rich enough the 40 h week is going to return.

daily reminder globalist billionaires think they can just buy off the populations of rich countries after exporting jobs.

newsflash globalist billionaires, when the corporate tax burden is increased to cover the UBI for an entire western population, what do you think will happen with those global companies? They'll just stick around and keep paying?

How fucking dumb do they think we are?

youtube.com/watch?v=Q-0jbIC4yig

The solution to this is ending free trade you. Keep listening to the jews for economic advice you fucking mong

Take Econ 101 and then get back to us.

Government cannot redistribute wealth.
Government can only redistribute poverty.

this is your dream but not reality. The jews will never let you, a white person, consume and reproduce for free. Maybe you should be more realistic instead of buying into dreams that will never come

In the modern economy capital is out-competing labor
This means wealth is being concentrated in the hands of just a few

In such a world, you need some way for the masses to eat. Throwing people a few bones would actually not be that big a cost on the wealthy, and it would solve a lot of social problems.

>needs to take care of some problems without the "help" of shekel-counting ratlike financiers.
the government is inept
call a government office right now and enjoy conversing with shaniqua and latonya
oh you dont want to talk to shaniqua and latonya and want to pay your bill / get a service online? There is a convenience fee of $4.99, is that ok?

When one shopkeeper goes to other shops, looks at their prices, then sets his own price as exactly the same, that's not a cartel - that's how the frickin human mind works. The twisted mind that needs restrictions - state enforced controls.

Stage 4: Run out of other people's money and collapse.

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That's not an argument at all. I don't claim to be an economist, but you'll have to do far better than that to convince anyone.

And when a shopkeeper sees customers going to the neighboring shop, he'll lower his prices.

You’re timelines are wrong. Automation tech isn’t accelerating that fast. Plus the type of jobs inevitably change. Automation and mechanical simplification has been happening a long time and the job industry adapts.

Another way to penn up the cattle.

> moo

Let me boot up the calculator.

330 000 000 (US population) * 1200 (potential UBI payment, $) = 396 000 000 000 per month

396 000 000 000 * 12 = 4 752 000 000 000

FOUR TRILLION, SEVEN HUNDRED AND TWO BILLION DOLLARS!

And it wouldn't even solve any poverty problems, in fact it would worsen them because of various unintended consequences and the fact that you're literally deferring 5 trillion dollars per year of taxes to the unborn, who will live in enslavement trying to pay this crap off.

the problem is that when you start taking care of people who don't contribute shit, they just pump out more miserable kids growing the problem exponentially.

instead, why not simply stop paying people who don't contribute? if people don't have enough to eat, they will think long and hard about creating more people who don't have enough to eat

>Plus the type of jobs inevitably change
Yes. They are changing from low skill, to high skill.

The problem is, the vast majority of low skill workers are unsuitable for high skill work

We'll never achieve anything if we don't try.

No prob w it. Only shud insist on one condition: tie tube or snip snip. Don't care if they want to reverse it in the future.

you cant live on 7k a year in the uk

yes, so now you are getting into the ideas of Hitler.

Hitler believed that as a society, we could take care of the poor. But you had to control their birth rate.
This is literally the entire argument behind the eugenics movement in America and worldwide in the early 1900s

Eh, maybe with parens would be better

>They'll just stick around and keep paying?

They are already not paying, lol. They stick nowhere.

It could potentially work if they were credits for a government controlled market.

If you issued the same currency people were working for, then it would be a disaster.

>eliminate or even reduce social welfare ever
That's vote buying money, user. People on UBI will be dependent on the government but you don't want to upset people who are already dependent on the government.
>investments prospering
The taxation and monetary policy necessary for UBI will crush stocks, bonds, and treasuries. Good luck holding onto to physical assets.

they think they can tax corporations, who have been enjoying good times, to cover it. watch the jack ma interview:
youtube.com/watch?v=Q-0jbIC4yig

libshits actually believe this ricekike is on to something. oh gee yeah just tax the shit out of these multinational entities, what's the worst that could happen?

>Hitler believed that as a society, we could take care of the poor. But you had to control their birth rate.
If it was good enough for Hitler, it's good enough for me.

Poverty has increased since the beginning of the "war on poverty" in the US that implemented all kinds of welfare programs. The US has spent tens of trillions (hundreds of trillions if you account for social security and general unfunded liabilities) on "eliminating poverty". Poverty has increased since this program that was supposed to elimiate poverty was started.

This is proof enough why governments can't handle any problems like this. The amount of prosperity, businesses and development that could have been created from those trillions of dollars could have actually improved the lives of millions of people. But too late, because socialists like you doesn't ever allow free people to have nice things.

The logicial outcome of a universal basic income is genocide.

Just like every communist society before it, with a universal basic income comes a large and ever increasing population of useless people who don't produce anything and just sit on their ass all day consuming resources and being a drain on the system.

How did socialist societies deal with these people? Purges, Starvation, forced labour, Genocide.

With a Universal basic income, human life becomes cheap.

Because it will keep the neoliberal ponzi scheme that capitalism has turned into running another generation.

It will lead to communism as it spreads, as the working poor are sucked into it and as the funds start to run dry their will be riots or worse. This is pure income redistribution and it's bad.

Once the podesta group and allies goes down, there will be enough money for it. Once there are no more wars , we won't know what to do with our money.

Sky isn’t falling, people and markets will adapt. Robots won’t be running around take all mi i I’m wage level work either.

Yeah, but if you take 4 trillions a year to corporations, American corporations will close and we will have Chink corporations instead.

Why can't they understand here?

I will be rich soon so I won't need it and I will use my money fight against giving UBI to others.

Says the dude that is too lazy to actually counter the person he is replying to.

Seems to me like youre the underage one here.

>This is proof enough why governments can't handle any problems like this. The amount of prosperity, businesses and development that could have been created from those trillions of dollars could have actually improved the lives of millions of people. But too late, because socialists like you doesn't ever allow free people to have nice things.
I'm far from a socialist. I simply dare ask questions instead of trusting what your favorite youtuber said.

You still have not proven anything. You can't just say that because one government program is a failure, they all are. That simply is not true. We have militaries, law enforcement and justice departments that work just fine. How about you try to give an actual argument, instead of trying to insult me? I have a very low tolerance for brainlets.

It's ok goy, the big jewish friendly banks will lend you all the money you need for that socialism!

Trust us goy!

Won't work without fixed prices on a "basic universal market basket" enforced this or that way.

Guess that is the next step.

UBI is something that wil be needed eventually whether we like it or not. Automation in various parts of the industry is becoming more and more prominent which will cause a decline in job opportunities. Non-skilled labor can be achived by automation very easily and even skilled labor is a combination of smaller operations that come together to form a more complex system. these smaller operations can be achieved by a machine easily and we can make it so that the machine can handle the complicated operations by dividing them into smaller more managable parts. Evolution of automation and the lack of need for human labor it brings will cause a massive unemployment. If you want to keep crime rates under control in such enviroment, you need to provide a way for all people to live decent lives and that's why the UBI is a necessity in our age.

Silly rabbit, it's not communism when it fails.

That argument make absolutely no sense. Why would capitalism suddenly stop working with basic income? Why would competition end with basic income? Who has spread this stupid meme, since everyone seems to repeat it without any arguments?

Mark Zuckerberg.

>get Universal Basic Income
>spend it all on guns, ammunition and body armor
>economy finally collapses
>kill all the idiots that spent their money on weed and cum cocktails

This is a neoliberal, right wing idea to satiate working classes and give the rich free reign to become richer. Soon the world will have trillionaires and no one will give a shit

one of the problems is that in a democratic system, the majority of voters would constantly vote to increase the cap on the UBI, which would eventually collapse everything.

This is one of the great fears of Americans with regard to socialism.

The left can't accept that we are an organism with needs and have to live in harmony with the universe and our basic nature. Instead of feeding an unfit class of people, aim to reduce that population. Tax reform should focus on keeping poor people from reproducing, reward them for not doing so. We have far too many

Full automation is going to make steps like this a necessity dumbass, it's preparing the world for a future where hardly anyone needs to work.
>Quoting the bible.
Okay nevermind.

It's like reverse tax, cool beans. As long as they keep the free market I see no problem.

>commie hates UBI

I suppose I'm on board with UBi after all then.

Kys, gosh, hard to believe what have you become

UBI is a plot by the wealthy to replace all people with robots. One we get UBI the elites can fire everyone and replace them with machines. The poor fucks will get UBI so they can still buy the products the elites make in their autonomous factories. The elite only gain more wealth while the poor fucks get $7500 a year to exist. It always amazes me that people call for UBI because the automation of labor is going to replace all jobs. You can't replace all workers with robots because robots don't spend money. If all people are poor with zero income how the they buy IPads? Can't have that. UBI will herald the start of the great automation replacement and some form of extreme leisure communism where the 1% control 100% of the wealth and pay poor people a few thousand dollars a year to live and buy their products. UBI is a plot by the elites to take the last little bit of wealth from the poor and middle class and transfer it to themselves and gain total control of the people.

It's being pushed by white leftists who said "FUCK YEAH LET THE DIVERSITY COME IN" then quickly found themselves holding up protest signs complaining that they can't live off of what Taco Bell pays.


The whole purpose of pushing the "white privelege" narrative is to justify economically marginalizing whites out of all the good jobs.

So now white democrats are finding college to be an expensive waste of time for them, so instad of putting the blame wher eit's due they still demand more immigraiton while demanding governments provide them with a minimum standard of living they want.

End jewish control of the economy. I am starting a movement to spread flyers about jewish stats within society. They will try to censor the web but they cannot censor reality. I am doing pamphlets like the revolutionary Americans did.

A way to enslave the populace
>everyone gets (lets say) $750 a month
>everything great for first 2>5 years
>Then inevitable inflation
>Then it's $10 for loaf of bread
>$15 for 12 eggs
>$25 for milk
>Basic income doesn't work and your masters don't raise the income at the rate of inflation
>There is not enough money to do it
>The masters implement forced labor force, a draft in a sence
>The rich and the corporations bail countries out of financial ruin
>"They" now control your masters

Proof?
look at image
Britain bring in boat loads of useless niggers to force inflation via public debt, each one of those niggers is going to owe the banks and country 6,000 euro / pounds by the end of the first year, that number raise exponentially with inflation. They don't pay it putting the country further in debt.

There was never any welfare programs in communist nations. Because Jewish-Asiatic-Communism is just a totally different paradigm. In general, caring about things like human life or human rights is a unique feature of Western-Germanic culture.