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What's preventing China from being influential superpower

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Losing all the keks from watching the west slowly decline.

The Chinese

This is a very good question. They have all the means and money for it. Probable causes may be ethnicity(no one wants to work with mainland chinks) and lack of resources because it all goes into massive public sector.

>What's preventing China from being influential superpower
Having a sphere of influence that extends further than North Korea. Pretty much all neighbors are opposed to them on one important (often territorial) issue or another.

They're essentially nigger rich. They don't have the infrastructure to do much, their entire economy is based upon cheap production of low quality items, they have no real banking power or resources outside of human labor and they don't have a blue water navy and are at a minimum 25+ years away from getting one to say nothing of the traditions and training that are required for maintaining such a force.

it pretty much is, it just doesnt want to act like the US.

>Pretty much all neighbors are opposed to them on one important (often territorial) issue or another.

China will push their shit in soon enough

Them being pretty much slaves in their own country. It's a country with billions of people working their ass off for a few scraps

Lack of power projection capability. China has one Aircraft carrier. They have a handful of overseas bases, and their only significant overseas Naval base is in Djbouti. They lack Strategic Air Transport capability. The US, on the other hand, has major bases in Spain, Italy, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Turkey, Diego Garcia (Indian Ocean), Japan, South Korea, and more. The USA has 10 carriers, with #11 to be commissioned soon. The USN fields the world's largest amphibious force, and the USAF has a ridiculous amount of strategic transports. A huge part in international influence is the capability to appear to problem spots at a moments notice. China cannot appear in multiple problem spots across the world rapidly, whereas the USA can and has done so.

You wish. China's sphere of influence already extends to almost all the third and second world countries in Asia. Thailand, Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, Indonesia. I took a boat down the Mekong a few months ago and Chinese projects were all over the place. The One Belt One Road initiative will cement China as the superpower for the region.

Even the South China Sea issue? ASEAN couldn't pass a resolution condemning it became a resolution requires a unanimous vote and there was one country against it, Myanmar IIRC.

Militarily, you can't compete. China greatly outnumbers the 7th Fleet stationed in the ocean here and has the advantage of land based anti ship and anti air missiles. America is spread too thin. China, at present, has the ability far greater than the US to blockade the region.

The dragon rising is real.

Not enough Jews in their government

>implying that's a bad thing

True, but within Asia they're already king.

Infrastructure issues

international meddling

China's military would utterly shit on our bunch of trannies and niggers. Why do you think we haven't attacked North Korea? Because we don't want China on our ass. We could literally secure every square mile of North Korea within a few months.

Gee, I wonder...

Being Chinese.
Honestly if not for having to keep one eye on pakistan the Pajeet could take them.
The dragon is fat, lazy and hasn't had enough exercise. The tiger is an evil sod that's itching for a war.

You're pretty wrong on all accounts. China has first world infrastructure in the non rural areas. It's why manufacturing hasn't shifted to countries like Vietnam or Indonesia. They have an integrated supply chain and the logistics solutions needed for a big economy. Things like modern ports, rails and roads, they have.

They have enormous banking power. ICBC banks are cropping up all over my region. They're bankrolling the entire OBOR initiative. They also have substantial oil, mineral and agricultural capacity.

I think /k/ did an analysis of the Chinese navy under Xi's reforms and came to the conclusion it was a credible threat to the US navy in the region.

This. The US would've pulled an Iraq if it weren't for China.

>Sphere of Influence
Vietnam and Indonesia hate China, what are you on? Thailand is a run by a Chinese-friendly junta, and Malaysia is 25% Chinese. Durerte is only friendly to China because he decided to be Anti-Obama/USA and needed a friend to make up for the loss, and China needs friends.

>SCS
Yeah, because all of the other countries in the SCS already have conflicting claims. Myanmar doesn't even boarder the SCS, so does it really matter what they think on the issue.

>Militarily
China does outnumber the 7th fleet alone, however the Chinese navy is technologically inferior and without allies. The US has Japan and Taiwan who would surely support the US in any conflict against China. Plus, China blockading the region would hurt them far more than it would the USA, seeing how much China exports to the US. In addition, the US could easily cut off oil shipments to China, while China would have a much harder time cutting off the USA's oil imports, which are largely Canadian and Venezuelan.

Geography + infrastructure. China has huge number of people but its internal geography makes moving them around a huge ballache. Its global position also makes securing ocean trade routes an absolute bitch if Japan or Korea or the US (whose position and massive number of foreign naval bases basically means they’ll always have a say in who does what in the Pacific) have anything to say about it.

They’re trying to address this by rapidly scaling their navy and Air Force for better power projection, but unfortunately for them they’ll have to compete with western countries AND eventually Japan, which all have a much more developed military tradition in those areas, and which can already (or with not much notice at all) project their power anywhere on earth within a day or two. The Chinese themselves even acknowledge this and even rank the UK as more powerful than them based purely on force projection ability. And when you think the uk is better than you at anything at this point you know you’re shit.

They also have a huge problem with training and corruption. Chinese leadership view their citizenry with absolute contempt. Considering that China regularly goes through famines/wars/revolutions/invasions do regular and so devastating that a fifth of the world’s population dies every time it happens, the feeling is mutual from the citizenry. As such the level of mismanagement, graft, corruption, and wastage inherent in anything they do is astronomical and seriously compromises their ability to mobilise any of their so called influence outside whatever piece of trade bullshit the US or EU is currently willing to tolerate from them.

They are an influential superpower, look at America, Africa, North Korea, The TPP, etc.

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Did Vietnam concede their claim in the South China sea, what about the other nations with claims in the area?

Of course we can compete and that's why the little chink fleet is bottled up inside their immediate neighborhood and ours dominates the globe. The only possible location they could compete against our Navy is near Chinese territory. Get some perspective already.

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Geography really hinders China to project power outside the Pacific. The USA is in the apex of geographic positioning when it comes to influencing world affairs. The Western Hemisphere is devoid of any real competitors to the USA and the USA has unmatched access to both the Pacific and Atlantic.

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Also what's with all the pro-China guys that come up on any China video?

Vietnam and Indonesia are ambivalent about China. And you don't need people to like you to be within their sphere of influence. Like when China was carved up to foreign powers in the early 1900s. It was enough to start a rebellion but they were still under spheres of influence. Economically these nations are well within China's sphere of influence. Small example, China's recent ban on Vietnamese pork imports for hygienic reason crashed the pork prices and bankrupted hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese households. Vietnam is a larger trader with the US than China but that's changing really fast. And IIRC Chinese investment far outstrips American. Malaysia and Thailand are both very friendly with China, as well as being within their economic sphere of influence.

>Myanmar doesn't even birder the SCS
Yes, but it shows them siding with China against us. We've been ASEAN for four decades. It was a huge politicial stink given how strongly other ASEAN nations were on the SCS.

>technologically
Well as far as I know they're only somewhat behind and rapidly improving. They've managed to take the rusting hulk of a Soviet aircraft carrier and turn it into a functioning, modern aircraft carrier. Their new J-20, from some analysis on /k/, is a fighter in the same league as American or French fighters. It's not really the present state of their military but their rapid improvement which is troubling.

>China blockade
Taiwan and Japan don't have the ability to take on China navally, even with the 7th. Their only hope is Taiwan's Hsuing Feng 3 anti ship missiles, but China doesn't need to pass the Taiwan straits to get into SEA. Yes, a blockade would hurt them but it's not important whether they do it or not. What's important to countries like Singapore is when push comes to shove, can America protect us? Can the 7th take China - or is it even willing? The feeling now and in the coming future is no. China is too strong and America is too weak here to protect us.

Lack of Property Rights.

When there is no incentive to innovate, there is no innovation. China can only steal, but they can never steal fast enough, or well enough, to compete with the U.S. The primacy of leftist values in the U.S. is eroding property rights here, however.

I don't think anyone conceded their SCS claim

>little fleet
user...
>dominates the globe
Yes, and it's an enormous weakness. Your navy, while the strongest in the world, is spread across seven oceans. China has to deal with small fractions of two of them. I'm talking about the immediate vicinity of China. I doubt China wants to be a US type hegemon but currently they are the superpower here.

China
Socialism
Over population
Half assedly holding onto traditions, not willing to fully accept them but not willing to let them go completely as well

It is generally thought of China has a first world military technology ability, with things like the J-20 and Liaoning carrier.

You should ask why China can steal classified military blueprints from your companies, while you can't steal theirs. Cyber espionage is a huge weakness. The answer is private industry. In China military development is handled largely by state owned or close to the state companies, which can supply their own materials and manufacturing through other government enterprises. In America its in the hands of a few megacorps, some pretty slack, that do business with hundreds of smaller subcontractors. These smaller companies have very bad cyber security and China has leveraged that to steal everything from NASA rocket designs to Lockheed Martin designs for the F-35. They also excel at spycraft. While they have inherited the Cold War era skills of communist spycraft with dozens of confirmed agents stealing classified info in the US, American spycraft has gotten sloppy, leading to practically every China spy to he caught according some articles.

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>buying the propaganda this much

>why can we steak your technology when you can't steal ours!

Because we don't want your inferior chink tech that's more or less a Frankenstein's monster of older, outdated machines.

Mate we get more American propaganda here and Chinese. I'm just stating the facts. You don't know about what's it like in the US, but down here we can feel which way the wind is blowing. And it's not blowing in America's favor. Obama's Asian pivot was the only way you could've maintained geographical dominance, but it wasn't entirely successful Trump seems to want to undo it.

Ignore him, he's obviously ChinkIDF.

>plans for more aircraft carriers

ooohhh super spooky

>resorting to ad hominem
You know that even if it was a piece of shit the designs of a foreign nation's main aircraft is very valuable.

I think the rational part of you will ask if China is really a thieving backwards country, how do they routinely penetrate top US military databases.

>What's preventing China from being influential superpower
lack of softpower
having literally all of its neighborhood hate you
be aggressively expansionist
exc

pretty much this

>everyone who doesn't agree with me is a shill

>What's preventing China from being influential superpower
are you posting from the early 2000's??

SeeSurveys show China is perceived as the top economic power in Europe and while not in the world, averaging a 6.8% GDP growth which is several times the US, this is changing.
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Corruption, and their image as a whole. It is acknowledged that the USA has the largest influence in Southeast Asia, consider what that means for China. China and Xi are trying to change this, look up his “deadlines”. They want to be like America.

Low internal purchasing power. This is a product of slave work, that created their industry. And even though their purchasing power is growing, im skeptical whether it will ever grow enough to make them independent of American market. Because that economical dependence is the only thing that stops them from doing aggressive foreign policy.

China is generally *not* considered to have first world military technology ability. Their materials and equipment still lag behind even the Russians. For example, don't be distracted by merely the guns and engines on a tank; there are hundreds of relevant components on a tank. This is moreso applicable to airplanes and ships.

>What's preventing China from being influential superpower
Their market.

There are a few things that render the Chinese a paper Tiger (meaning they look strong based on their numbers but really don't have the ability to back it up). Their Military is very subpar in terms of equipment, competence and projection and support capacity. What's more should they attempt a large campaign abroad they have a few countries surrounding them that would take the opportunity to immediately take back disputed territories. Chine as a result will never be able to face a war on a single front. Economically things in China are also not as stable as the might normally appear, they make most of their money by the sale of cheap goods and undercutting raw materiel exports for more expensive western nations (steel, concrete, raw textile materials) this system of economics nutures the projection capacity of China by quite a bit since a declaration of war will cause trade disruptions to which the Chinese economy is very vulnerable. They are currently getting themselves mired in Africa to keep their economy going which when they are out of White people the Asians will be the next people that the natives out group bash over the head a d steal their stuff. On the whole China is currently a world processing power, but our need of human capital to preform processing operations has been and will continue to diminish. China by rights should Balkanise in the next 50 years or so, they are nearly at the end of their usefulness and the central banks seem to be quite content with leaving them holding a global bag of debt with no chance to collect.

Can't speak for all ASEAN but the feeling from the people I speak too, Singaporeans, Thai, Malaysians and so on is that China is the power in the region. And those who think China isn't, thinks China will be in the future.

Economically, ASEAN has 400B in trade with China and just 241B trade with the US. With the US actually pushing for protectionism and China pushing for free trade, along with the much faster growing Chinese economy, America will need a few miracles to be as powerful here economically.

Chinese people think like insects. That entire country is a giant ant colony.

human citizens

Think about how much shit America controls. China can’t even control the South China Sea.

What do you think about extreme automation hurting China’s advantage of low wage labor?

It's economy is based on US investors.

From a report by your government

>The J-20 will eventually give the PLA
Air Force a platform capable of long range, penetrating strikes into complex air defense environments.

And its considered a fifth gen fighter jet, one of three in the world. It's pretty obviously operational. More subtle abilities like radar detection and missile payload aren't known but it is a credible threat.

>can't even control
Its building military bases there because US navy doesn't engage them because they know the risk of losing is unacceptably high. I think China won't actually assert the nine dash line because it'd hurt economically too much, but they can and will project their power over it, like America shelling Japan for them to open up their ports. They want to ensure America can't blockade it.

China's economic growth is much more complex than cheap labor. Labor is just a fraction of the cost, and there sure as hell are much cheaper countries for labor. Why so many companies invested and are investing in China is it has a robust logistics infrastructure and raw materials needed for mass manufacturing goods cheaply. More specifically China is an export economy modeled after the Asian tigers, which through a mix of heavy emphasis in education, liberal economic policies and forward thinking industal policy. China has, on LKY's opinion, very good leadership. And the government is setting a course to become a service economy instead of an industrial one. I'm guessing it can maintain high growth but not as high as before.