Why is religion still around? I think it's because society is slow to get rid of traditions. In some countries, like Australia, judges wear fake, white wigs at work. They do that pointless shit because people wore wigs in England in the 1600s. Our society is slow to get rid of traditions.
Why do people believe in the Bible?
>*Open is up to the beginning* >"God made everything thousands of years ago." >Talking snake >"Women's periods are a punishment from God." >*Flip through further* >God creates a giant flood to drown everyone >*Flip through further* >God is commanding people to kill other people
Uhhh, I thought he was a kind God who loves everyone? This shit doesn't sound very loving.
What do you use to feel good? Alcohol? Drugs? Quick wank, number 103 of the day? Play vidya? Scope the chins? Have sex?
Do you believe any of that s#it makes you happy? I learned it doesn't, but I hated religion and recently figured out why. Watch Zenkyoku Haku if you want to learn.
Adios
Wyatt Morgan
its because people still believe in it as opposed to bacteria morphing into dinosaurs and into monkeys and humans for billions of years because of random mutations.
Landon Gonzalez
>Why are people religious >Why do people believe in the Bible? You're conflating two different things.
Nicholas Powell
It's been a while since a good old enlightened Athiesm General >Inb4 Le fedora Not funny and not an argument, it just makes you look like a bunch of butthurt idiots who know you're fucking wrong and it's pathetic, so stop trying to project your insecurities onto me.
Gavin Richardson
Lets put it this way: there is nothing in that book more idiotic and full of shit than what's Ayn Rand wrote.
Alexander Mitchell
Teenage faggot equates religion to the Bible
Adrian Moore
Why do people who hate religion criticise and hate on Christianity the most when the thing that's going to fuck them up the most is Islam.
Julian Foster
You’re dumb
Xavier Reyes
Tradition is the corpse of wisdom.
Mason Edwards
>Atheism General >stop trying to project your insecurities onto me.
Hmmmm...
Andrew Hall
I like church because of the sense of community and the love we all have for eachother. I don't believe in a strict interpretation of the bible and alot of it is stupid but it also has some good prescriptions for the human condition.
David Davis
Nah, it's just that Christianity is the most popular religion in Western countries, where most of us are from.
What, am I supposed to make an anti-religion topic and then discuss Hinduism? That wouldn't sense.
Evan Brooks
go worship a rainbow then sodomite
Ian Anderson
Hinduism is a political and spiritual ideology Abrahamic religions are spirit binding techniques that were crafted by Talmudic followers over two thousand years ago. Start learning something instead of pissing into a keyboard looking to troll
John Watson
"I want to say to you, about myself, that I am a child of this age, a child of unfaith and scepticism, and probably (indeed I know it) shall remain so to the end of my life. How dreadfully has it tormented me (and torments me even now) this longing for faith, which is all the stronger for the proofs I have against it. And yet God gives me sometimes moments of perfect peace; in such moments I love and believe that I am loved; in such moments I have formulated my creed, wherein all is clear and holy to me. This creed is extremely simple; here it is: I believe that there is nothing lovelier, deeper, more sympathetic, more rational, more manly, and more perfect than the Saviour; I say to myself with jealous love that not only is there no one else like Him, but that there could be no one. I would even say more: If anyone could prove to me that Christ is outside the truth, and if the truth really did exclude Christ, I should prefer to stay with Christ and not with truth."
Justin Nelson
because primates are social animals. religion gives people a sense of community. it's better than filling your god-hole with hedonism, drugs and bbc
Grayson Collins
Didn't read. People with no culture don't get opinions.
Christopher White
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Christian Barnes
>why are people allowed to believe things I don't approve of? Fuck off, authoritarian cunt.
Carson Roberts
Learn history you idiot, no civilization can survive without religion. People NEED to believe in some higher being in order to survive. If there is no god, there are no morals, nothing is sacred = civilization slowly dissipates. We are slowly going there. We will be absorbed by islam.
Nathan Ramirez
>I like church because of the sense of community and the love we all have for eachother. I don't believe in a strict interpretation of the bible and alot of it is stupid but it also has some good prescriptions for the human condition.
What you guys label as "community" and "fellowship", is what psychologists call codependence and poor boundaries.
Jaxon Perry
Christian, reporting in. God bless you all! Peace and God's Grace be with you!
Nathan Gomez
> (OP) >Learn history you idiot, no civilization can survive without religion. >People NEED to believe in some higher being in order to survive. If there is no god, there are no morals, nothing is sacred = civilization slowly dissipates. >We are slowly going there. We will be absorbed by islam.
Someone who is mentally healthy doesn't need religion. The only people drawn to religion are people who have gone through some sort of trauma or had an unhealthy environment growing up. Religion is the biggest perpetrator of unhealthy personal boundaries in history.
Isaiah Allen
A sense of comfort maybe.
David Campbell
>People NEED to believe in some higher being in order to survive. If there is no god, there are no morals, nothing is sacred
Why are morals important in modern society?
We have a legal system to prevent harmful behavior.
It doesn't matter if people have morals or not, they still have to follow the law.
Owen Nguyen
People with no moral ground still transgress the law, given the means to circumvent it.
Benjamin Kelly
where do laws come from
Colton Brooks
Look around you at the lawful, but immoral world.
No nation and folk can survive and achieve great things without a religious belief.
Hunter Barnes
>modern society >(((modern society))) No such thing. Technologically we are quite far, but every thing that plague our society has plagued the societies of the past.
Learn history.
Gavin Garcia
Until a non-murderous intellectually constructed morality system is created (a bare bones religion, more or less) and widely accepted, traditional religions need to fill that void. The religious dogma is a detriment mostly, but it maintains the moral systems within the religion. Without the dogma, the system deteriorates.
Elijah Parker
"If the only thing keeping a human decent, is the expectation of a divine reward, then that person is a piece of shit."
Jonathan Wilson
>Someone who is mentally healthy doesn't need religion. The only people drawn to religion are people who have gone through some sort of trauma or had an unhealthy environment growing up. Religion is the biggest perpetrator of unhealthy personal boundaries in history. Thats fucking bullshit. Are you a jew? You sound like one.
Camden Morris
Because we have veritable, scientific evidence as to why drugs, sex before marriage, and general lack of self control are harmful to both your health and sanity, yet in a society that claims to trust only science and things that can be proven, more people are receptive to “God in Heaven said don’t do these things because he just doesn’t approve of them” than to said evidence.
Isaiah Gomez
TELL ME ABOUT BANE, WHY DOES HE WEAR THE MASK?
A LOTTA LOYALTY FOR A HIRED GUN.
Nicholas Perry
That won't ever work, because the moral law has to spring from a transcendent, undebatable source ie. God, in order to be immediately accepted by a large group of individuals. We all know that human philosophies are, after all, just opinions, don't we?
Logan Sullivan
They're man-made concepts meant to prevent harmful behavior.
Something doesn't have to be immoral to be illegal, it just have to be harmful to society.
Owen Lopez
>blows you up
Jackson Wood
>preventing harmful behaviour IS a moral rule.
Samuel Thomas
That's not true. Plenty of atheist societies developed just fine. Some even produced more scientists per capita than any capitalist shit-hole. Did you forget about free education in the USSR, and other communist societies? China and Japan are mostly atheist and they are just fine.
Jaxon Bennett
Looks like we got ourselves a salty neckbeard! Want some tendies and musty?
>muh fundies
Blake Phillips
With regard to China, see pic related.
Joshua Harris
And this.
Jace Lee
God only hates you.
Leo Rodriguez
>human philosophies are, after all, just opinions The philosopher is unable to remove himself from his philosophies and presuppositions, I agree with that. I was thinking something like a construction of artificial intelligence, rather than a human generated one. That's if AI becomes essentially a God of intelligence. I'm not sure it'll ever happen, but it could.
Jason Miller
Faith Family Tradition
Get with the program faggot. Your degenerate faggotry will bring you to your knees. Then you will look up and see the truth. You will pray. You will beg for forgiveness. Then you will begin down the true path. The only path.
Colton Cook
Because *some* Religions help install good values in people, and even not being Religious myself I still support all peaceful religions *not Islam cough cough* but they have all these good charities and shit and there a fuckton Of Good religious schools, not to mention if you are a fedorafag atheist then I’ll clue you in- religions are getting more progressive for you so be fucking happy faggot. Let me lurk in peace.
Because some people enjoy serving and being a great solider for their perfect Master and King the Lord Jesus Christ. While others enjoy being a slave to their corruptable self.
Gabriel Jackson
That’s for the ones who aren’t good at math
Jose Edwards
Satan is the true god, he is also the adversary to the Jews which makes me admire him more.
Carter Anderson
Do you often make a complete prick of yourself? Name one, north Korea? Is that your example.
Grayson Taylor
You're missing the point. The most important aspects of religion are value systems, traditions, and community dynamics.
Whether one believes in the Big Bang Theory or Creationism doesn't really matter at all in most contexts. You can mock the words of the bible, but it was the traditional western interpretation of them that brought western civ to such great heights.
Cooper Ramirez
>free education You mean indoctrination? Sounds fantastic.
Julian Wilson
Yeah I wanted to show him that China is going to uncuck itself from muh communism completely pretty soon.
Cooper Murphy
Did you forget about China? They are rational and free from religion, offer various free services, and have a communist party in control. Atheist societies do work. Isn't Britain mostly irreligious? That's just proof that you do not need any religion at all, imbicile.
Jose Cox
> Our countries were the most powerful and whitest they had ever been while embracing Christianity > "Oy Vey! Goyim, don't listen to Jesus Christ warning you about us in the bible! Accept diversity and liberalism, it's been working our great since WW2, right?"
Oliver Flores
I know, just wanted to clog up this shit thread for OP, who is falls under the all-encompassing term “OP is a faggot”
Joseph Torres
>Isn't Britain mostly irreligious? The society was built on a religious structure, though. That structure's values were extracted and removed from the dogma, now it's collapsing into crime and disillusionment as a result.
Cameron Sanchez
Except the Devil is weak and a loser compared to the LORD.
Easton Morris
Best post.
The universe is complicated. We can’t see how complicated it is. We don’t really know anything at all in absolute terms. We only know a few scraps of things in terms that are relative to us.
Asserting that there is no god has the exact same evidentiary requirement as saying there is a god. We can’t prove it.
At the edges of what we’re capable of understanding, mysticism takes over and allows us to speculate a couple steps further. Why shouldn’t we?
But people should also have the self awareness to tell between what they want to believe and what actually makes sense to them.
Asher Reyes
>Plenty of atheist societies developed just fine are you talking about some XIX and XX nations or ancient civilizations? No ancient atheist civilization has ever developed. Religion is the basis for any organized society. Did you knew that KGB propaganda directorate came to the same conclusions in 60s? >Did you forget about free education in the USSR Yes Stalin enforced that math chemistry physics are to be heavily teached at schools, it gave effects. They never went full atheist though. Now, do the USSR still exist? no. >China and Japan are mostly atheist and they are just fine. Japan - shinto and buddhism. And no, japan is not "fine". Population is shrinking rapidly, people are dying from karoshi. Japan is on general decline. China is the fastest growing christian nation on earth. Also, before mao - confucius and buddhism. Fastest growing christian nation, and they are developing rapidly.
So, you are a science man? Then let me explain it to you scientifically:
I think there are maybe some macro-social-economic variables that are hard/impossible to observe by scientists, but are linked to the level of religiousness in said society. And when there is no religion, those variables and social chains simply deteriorate, causing the downfall of a society. For someone to observe, study and catagolize it, you would need extremely big data such as complete multi generational (100-200 years) behavior of humans, every thought, action, words spoken. Just now, with the advent of digital technology, it may be possible to do that. With the Facebook, NSA spying and recording every word, CCTV cameras on every corner, all kinds of crime statistics and thousands of other statistics available, i believe Islamic scientists in 300-400 years from now (or maybe shorter, depends on quantum computing development) may come to exact conclusions why Western civilization have failed, and exactly why religion is the "skeleton" of civilization, holding it all together.
Blake Rivera
>The Demiurge’s primary archon is weak and a loser compared to the Demiurge
Brandon Carter
Used to be an agnostic-atheist. Reading and comprehending the classical arguments for theism given by the Aristotelian-Thomistic/neo-Scholastic tradition convinced me that they actually had it right.
Jack Clark
You have just read about the rise in Christian religion in China. To say nothing of Taoism, Confucianism and Buddhism. If you want to argue atheism, fine but don't ever use examples of society's, there are no good ones.
Cooper Hernandez
>No ancient atheist civilization has ever developed. Religion is the basis for any organized society To expand upon this from a darwinian point of view, all societies that didn't form religions DIED OUT. There's a good reason for that.
>like, have you ever listened to a Simon and Garfunkel album.. BACKWARDS?!!
>I wear black all the time cause colors are for LOSERS
>So what if I spend more at Bed Bath and Beyond than my sister? Candles don’t candle themselves, brah
James Smith
This So many people live today to help themselves, not wanting wife or kids, shit... what's the point then Nazism as Nazi virtues (Nationalism,religion,preservation of culture,helping your neighbors) should be followed by everyone, no matter the religion or race (stay and your country and try to make it better). Too bad people associate it now with evil. I'm not too much into socialsm but Nazis had good principles.
Joseph Jenkins
>implying Europe wasn't whiter when it was Pagan
List of pro-White atheists and agnostics: Alex Linder Ben Klassen Craig Cobb Dr. Kevin MacDonald Dr. William Luther Pierce Matt Hale Revilo Oliver Tom Metzger
>Libertarian meme flag >Middle school level atheism Don't you have a big US History test tomorrow Tommy?
Colton Morris
Why assume the creator is the demiurge rather than the devil?
Evan James
>implying Huns are white
Adrian Foster
Threadly reminder that gaytheism is a claim and thus requires burden of proof, just like theism.
>b-but you can't prove a negative Nice psuedo-logic, you can prove a negative, you just can't prove yours >b-but atheism is the neutral position Umm, no sweetie, the neutral position would be agnosticism.
Jaxson Powell
Agnosticism is atheism.
Hudson Scott
No one is going to check those digits? What's wrong with you guys.
Aiden Sanders
They are also less likely to kill others in their society of their religion. It's like this, if you have decided to kill yourself, why not kill those that made you miserable. Because God will punish you or no reason really. See how it works.
Jayden Moore
Tip harder faggot
Reminder to sage all antichristian threads
Asher Stewart
I dont believe in the bible outright, fuck evangelicals and shit, the bible is a base for morals and general human decency. I was a hardcore atheist up until 2 years ago until I tried psycadelics such as lsd and shrooms, then I realised there has to be a greater power, whether it be through belief or acceptance there is something driving the human race that we will never truly understand, religion is only one way to look at it, ultimately there is stuff we cannot explain, therefore religion must exist for humans to survive.
Julian Watson
Oh sweetie...no.
Atheism posits that god(s) do not exist, and theism posits that at least one god exists.
Agnosticism says that it's unknowable. >m-muh strong and weak atheism weak atheism is just gaytheists trying to play semantics to pretend they aren't making a claim.
Angel Morris
Checked
Daniel Young
The Old Testament God seemed egocentric and dickish. More like a very powerful human than an unknowable creator. Honestly, the Old Testament god doesn’t seem to vibe with what Jesus taught.
Jesus didn’t test people to psyche them out. Jesus didn’t demand sacrifice.
The story of Job always pissed me off. Job was never going to be allowed to do anything other than fail. What kind of god is that? How would Jesus be his son?
So, I like the story better, that God’s seventh emanation, Sophia, birthed the Demiurge and yet never revealed itself to its creation. The Demiurge, having never witnessed greater divinity than itself, believes itself to be the highest.
But the true emanation of God gifted us with a divine spark to connect us to divinity, to give us a beacon toward truth.
I can’t say I believe it in a literal sense, but it is very interesting to me. All I can say in absolute terms is I believe in a God, but that the true God is unknowable and wouldn’t have a personality recognizable to a human.
Jordan Davis
I love you, even if it makes me gay.
Owen Campbell
>Agnosticism says that it's unknowable. Theists say it's unknowable too, faggot. It's not about knowledge, it's about belief. Theists believe, while both atheists and agnostics do not.
Zachary Perez
You're the sweetie here.
Agnosticism is not a position. It is the degree to which a position is held. God is an inherently unknowable being the moment "agnosticism" goes away is the moment "belief" becomes impossible. The people who call themselves "agnostics" are atheists, though actual agnosticism applies to essentially all cosmological belief systems. Atheism is not having metaphysical beliefs period, not just not having metaphysical beliefs but not being sure about it.
Matthew Morris
Why are people still godless commies in 20+18-1?
Chase Wright
The world is shitty place, and people are grasping at anything that can make it seem a little less shitty. That would be my guess
Xavier Fisher
>implying Europe wasn't whiter when it was Pagan
> Implying we (whites) held as much ground and conquered land while we were pagan, compared to while we were Christian.
Lucas Mitchell
WHAT INFORMATION ARE YOU WITH HOLDING ABOUT BANE
Henry Reed
There is a huge gap between agnostics and atheists. I call myself an agnostic, and I believe there is a higher sentience than humanity. I think most people are inclined to.
If you ever entertain the concepts of fate, luck, “nature” having sentient characteristics, or anything other than cold randomness, then you believe in a higher order that could be called a god, even if you retreat from it when called out.
These beliefs bubble up, and you can push them away, but they’re a wellspring.
Joshua Nelson
>Because religious people reproduce the most True. Joseph entered Egypt with 70ish people and over 2 million of his people left with Moses after only 430 years. In fact, that's why the Egyptian King got nervous and started prosecuting them, which lead to them leaving - because they were multiplying so fast. The devil has no truth to him, he just tried to trick you to be your own God.
Liam Myers
>Why are people religious in 2017 Fucking lol. Atheists are still SEETHING that religion will long outlive them simply because some guy preached a truth that resonated with millions of people centuries ago.
William Young
>its because people still believe in it We have it because we've always had it? That sounds like the degenerate explaining why he has herpes. No much of an argument
Joseph Murphy
Why is personal happiness the standard? Maybe long-term sustained inner tranquility isn't feasible so hedonism is the least-worst option.
Colton White
>At the edges of what we’re capable of understanding, mysticism takes over and allows us to speculate a couple steps further. Why shouldn’t we? The toxic problem with your Gods of the Gaps is that we're constantly discovering that things can be known. not just speculated. So the gods can only live in an ever-receding gap in our knowledge.
Evan Miller
Hails! Fuck God; let's send that nonexistent asshole to the grave He deserves.
Alexander Thomas
>Atheists are still SEETHING that religion will long outlive them simply because some guy preached a truth that resonated with millions of people centuries ago. The only reason judaism, christianity and islam are still around is tithing. They built a mechanism to fund themselves by leeching the wages of the world's poorest people.
Justin White
Why are you atheists so obnoxious?
I swear you guys make these mormons look good in comparison to you
Easton Cook
Hedonism gets boring. I’m only in my 30’s, and I just don’t get anything from it anymore. It feels empty.
I can see how Hollywood types get into degeneracy. It’s just chasing the dragon.. They don’t get a lot of those quiet days that invite reflection. And if your brain is tolerancing out on dopamine, you need to do crazier shit to get anything out of going further down the same path.
I want purpose. I see purpose in raising kids. I want to devote myself to something, to have a grand project, to start the adult phase of my life, where things are built more than consumed.
