Be Christian

>be Christian.
>Come here.
>Lose faith.

I don't even know if I'll to to mass tomorrow...

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this kills the theist 1/2

this kills the theist 2/2

FILTHY GOYIM BELIEVING IN Y*WH HES OUR GOD NOT YOURS RRRRRREEEEEEEE

Jidf pls leave

>be Christian.

Is this the new (((fellow whites)))?

Nice try, Schmuely, now be gone.

Good post, my fellow Juden.

I don't know what I am anymore

it's ok to be a Christian. but we have to kill morality in politics. it has become a tool that uniparty uses to police our thoughts, and they will eventually kill us all. go to mass and redpill your fellow kike-worshipers

Read on Evola and Guenon Traditionalism. Also, read on Neoplatonism. You can still be a practicing Christian, believing in God and afterlife and metaphysics, only from a different foundation. God cannot be disproven. The nihilism and destruction that agnosticism/atheism lead to can be clearly proven by logic and by the world we're living in.

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>implying a lowly human knows right from wrong.
Maybe you should embrace nature instead of your faggy woman ideals...

you cannot be christian but you can believe in god

>mid 00s fedora arguments

you’re like 10 years to late dude, nihilism is going out of style. It’s all about post-irony now

>tfw know that you can’t prove god but choose to pursue god anyway in rebellion against the modern world

What's the point?

What about integrity? What about sanity?

>christian god is real
>Aliens are real

Choose one (pic related)

WTF I PRAY TO A SANDNIGGER KIKE ON A STICK NOW

Those things don’t compare to living in a good, cohesive community with shared myths. Besides that, experiencing god has nothing to do with logic and reason. It’s all about feeling the sublime and submitting to awe

>jew hating jesus

shocker

By this dumb logic, if a teacher tells you to study for a test, you didn't study, and you told the teacher you didn't study and she still gives you the test,

That would mean it is the teachers fault you failed because she knew you would

it's ok since he's one of us

>It's not to do with logic and reason, it's to do with my fee fees and warm tummy tum :^)
This is what the theist actually believes.

>logic

Theists have no logic.
That's kinda the whole premise of theism..

> bait
> flag
Or maybe, just maybe, they were all trying to describe the same reality and are using different words?

> Jew hating Christians
Talmudic Jews are the Synagogue of Satan, and the Synagogue of Satan will be purged, I hope you know that. For lurkers, check out Edward Feser's blog, and his book 'Five Proofs for the Existence of God' which is really just a re-presentation of Thomas Aquinas' five ways, put into a form that is comprehensible for those whose minds have been warped by modern philosophy.
> polite sage

Tis fine to be any faith. Not fine to force your beliefs upon others. I spent many years as an atheist, it is an equally valid PoV.
I eventually came to find that my truth was in God. God doesn't require faith or even acknowledgement. God simply is the I am, and that this is. God consists of everything, be it good or evil. Male or female, everything that is flows from the source code of the mind of God.

I came to this through Biology, Physics, History, Philosophy, Astronomy.

i don't think even an all powerful being can overcome a paradox. also, letting evil exist doesn't mean he doesn't love us.
it's a retarded chart imo.

We are reaching levels of jewish trick that shouldn't even be possible.

God is the 'perfect human' concept ...the goal of humanities evolution.
It's also the reason why the western world adopted a single God as the majority of ideals aligned.

This. The two best writers you could ever find in modern times. Everything you need to know is in their book. Start with the Crisis of the Modern World, move on to Evola, then come back to Guénon to strengthen your doctrinal core.

books*

Good point.
If you look up Justin Bieber songs on YouTube you will find that billions of people watched them.
I guess you are right.

Cold is a lack of heat. Dark is a lack of light. Evil doesn't exist in the sense the chart is referring to.

> Evil is the lack of a good that is due something, and so to understand evil, one has to understand goodness. The most universal sense of goodness is the sense in which everything is good, insofar as everything is a being. Nothing can be totally evil, for if it exists, it has some share of goodness. Absolute evil would be the total lack of good, and so would be the lack of existence, i.e. it would be nothing.

For Aquinas, God is the cause of things by causing their existence. Evil is a privation, i.e. it is the lack of some due perfection or existence in something that already has existence. There can be nothing that is "pure evil;" an evil thing is first a thing. Consequently it has some existence, and so has some good, of which God is the cause. Since evil is the lack of existence, God is not the direct, i.e. per se, cause of it; He is the cause of evil only indirectly, i.e. per accidens, insofar as He causes things to exist in which there is found some evil.
aquinasonline.com/Questions/goodevil.html

Where do you think Jesus lived and died?
Should Chinese archeologists be the ones to uncover it?

Oops you got BTFO'd kid.
Nothing personnel, heh

BASED jews giving us the final redpill. Please tell me what other major aspects of my life I should change.

The "world" is vastly redefined after each evolution. Some branches went off so far they lead to other species like Neanderthals who could interbreed with prehuman species.
Only a fool would believe that modern accepted religions were not cleared by the same "species" that continues to evolve over time. As that "master species" interbreeds, who knows, but you've seen our royalty. Thus the master species wish for humanity to all breed so their choices are more obvious based on our various studies. They kill and steal anything worth taking, then use technology developed by underground prisoner scientists to dominate everything (they have invincible bunkers and are figuring out how to automate mars and leave us to die here)

Read pic related OP, it 100% answers that sort of thinking. It is completely overlooking an obvious answer that becomes plain as day once you hear it.

Free will can conceivable make a choice that is irreversible though. In heaven one has chosen good (the greatest infinite good, God) and free will is bolstered in that final choice either by outside conditions, a change to free will's nature, or both.

The vast majority of your life is irrational my dude. Embrace it, accept it, enjoy the mystery of the divine. Or don’t- i won’t tell you what to do, just want to encourage people who want god in their lives to keep pursuing him.

Are you sweating as you type it?

That final choice is all that's left?

I met a figure on a plane once, I think I may have literally died from taking a hit of 160x salvia, and this guy on a square plane tells me I must fly through the tunnel of my past choices or else lose all my freedoms.
I traveled down a wormhole reexperiencing my entire life. Then I realized I had enough, drunkenly stumbling back out onto the plane with the malevolent in appearance character across from me.
He told me "you have failed to locate the correct memory and now your freedom will be taken) and my spiritual wings. Were literally fucking torn from my spine.

What if we are like spirits in the heavens with our heads thrust down in the clouds, possessing a reality where, judged by other spirits, we find our spiritual consequence for our earthly journeys?

See

>be atheist jew
>come here
>have great respect for Jesus now
>still atheist jew
at least it did something

reminder that atheists can’t debate Catholics on theology, they can only debate strawmen and evangelicals

The definition of 'redpill' is the ultimate truth. Religion is the biggest bluepill.

the ultimate truth is God my dude. Religion is a set of tools for getting close to god- take them or leave them. It’s a lighthouse sending out a beam of light into the fog of modernity, saying “come here, here is dry land and all are welcome”

Isn't Satan considered around the same strength as God, just in an evil way?

Nah that’s more of an Eastern kind of philosophy. In Christian thinking Satan is beneath God and envious of him, and utter incapable of creating things the way God does.

Read the Silmarillion- puts a lot of this stuff into perspective

we already have genetic evidence that the people of Galilee from almost 4000 years ago looked like the Lebanese from pic.

It's probably because you haven't really met God, you've been fed a false Christ. Not sure if your Catholic or Protestant, but Catholics and Protestants both don't follow even the most basic teaching like Matthew 23: 8-11 and also if you read the book of Acts a Church is not what these heretical organizations perport. My Jesus is the true Jesus, read the Gospel's and do what he told you too do, not what some guy on a microphone tells you. Also free-will and evil are separate, free will brought evil to the world because God didn't want us to be robots who just love him unconditionally. God doesn't stop bad things from happening because it is not a free world if he changes what people do and think. God made us to love us, same reason a mother has child, God didn't make us to be robots.

>There is a near infinity of good choices free will can engage in after that final choice of goodness itself (God). Just because the possibility of the will choosing evil exists doesn't necessitate that it ever be chosen again.
In heaven evil and the illusion of "freedom" it offers will by contrast seem infinitesimally small. Evil choices always enslave the will so that it is less free. Sin is slavery remember.

>Based niggers think that they can understand God because they take words to the extreme logic reasoning, and expect God to fit the label

>there is no free will without evil

No. Free will requires a choice. Doesnt require you choose evil. Thats a pretty big distinction.

>heaven is a place without free will

But there isnt free will for humans in heaven...

That whole train of thought makes no sense and lacks even basic knowlege of christian understanding of free will, evil, and heaven.

Problem is on the third step of that image. If God knows about evil but doesn't want to prevent it, it doesn't mean that he's not all good. Maybe he has a long view of things and knows that in order for there to be good, we must experience evil.

youtube.com/watch?v=6xqCkx6WQBE
try giving it a listen op, maybe it will be cathartic to hear others experiances and compare it,.

irrational

god created the universe, why create a universe with evil

>got created everything
>isn't responsible for neglecting to create humans more wholely so they aren't as empty

...

Evil was a product of the free mind of us, God gave us a free mind because God didn't want to make robots, he wanted to make children.

But user god being good means everybody is happy all the time >:\

repent

based tolkien reference ftw

God does want everyone to be happy, but we have free will to choose not too because God didn't make us to be robots, he made us to be like children.

but then just read the beatitudes to start your journey right, takes 10 minutes

they rape small boys and hide it, what need is there to debate them?

These atheist arguments all presume a massive sense of entitlement. They think that human beings are entitled to a life without any discomfort and that it is gods fault that they don’t have it. In reality it’s your fault, my fault, our fault.

it is irrational because you are incapable of fathoming an explanation as to why god would make a universe with evil? so basically you are saying because you cannot think of a reason why, there must not be a reason?

you are retarded

You’re more likely to be molested by a public school teacher than by a catholic priest.

Yep, actually we are literally his children. Not even made to be like them. We are on this earth in part to gain experience and to grow in a way that we could not in a paradisaical state.

For it must needs be, that there is an opposition in all things. If not so, my firstborn in the wilderness, righteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither holiness nor misery, neither good nor bad. Wherefore, all things must needs be a compound in one; wherefore, if it should be one body it must needs remain as dead, having no life neither death, nor corruption nor incorruption, happiness nor misery, neither sense nor insensibility.

woah woah go easy at least im not an asshole hating the culture of my nation anymore

>rebellion against the modern world
>atheists still less than 10% of all humans

chr*stcuck victim complex in full swing

God not preventing evil because he can does not make him not good. That is the logical fallacy this hinges on. You can buy a gun and Hunter rapists In the streets but you don't. You aren't evil because you choose not to do this.
God did not create this realm to see you thrive in it with no struggles. That wouldnt even be any interesting world to live in let alone worth it. You arent even a Christ fuck for fucks sake. Mass isnt until Sunday. Now suffer in life with us as we make the journey across this plane of existance. Wether he who created you lives in your heart or not is irrelevant.

The Catholic Church is a wicked institution, and so are near all modern day churches. They give prideful titles such as: father, pastor, reverend, pope, etc (Matthew 23 8-11) and they do not even know what a church is according to the Bible (read Acts) a church is a congregation of believers where some tell prophecy and the others judge that prophecy and they talk of the Holy Spirit and are guided in their doings, and they all talk, not just some heretic on a mic. That is a church not a building or an institution, a church is a people.

Why does heaven have to have free will jude

checked.

>be atheist
>come here
>gain faith

Too bad I don't know how to go to Church, as retarded as that sounds.

>They give prideful titles such as: father, pastor, reverend, pope, etc (Matthew 23 8-11)
wewlad
this picture can be used even on non baptists

You need better bait. Nobody's falling for this

Pre-fall of man, there was no emptiness. It's still a free will problem. We choose to love or not-love freely and are not robots. The choice to disobey, in the Eden story is the first moment of emptiness. A choosing of darkness when there was light everywhere, like covering your eyes for the first time. That first experience of the lack-of-god was the knowledge of good and evil.

We end up in a fascinating paradox rather than contradiction.

>be degenerate
>come here
>find faith

Funny how things work out...

>where some tell prophecy and the others judge that prophecy
what the absolute fuck

Don't go to the "churches" they have been corrupted, read Acts and Matthew 23:8-11 A real church according to the Bible is not as the modern ones, neither Protestants nor Catholics.

Read Acts

sorry bud

>Could God have created a universe with free will but without evil?
No, because then it wouldn't be free will you berk.
>Then God is not all powerful
>Those things that are logically contradictory fall outside of the purview of God's omnipotence
>t. Aquinas

Also,
>Evil exists because humans have free will
>Truly free will is impossible inside the orbit of an omnipotent, omniscient being
>God maintains degrees of separation from humanity, communicating through intermediaries

Free will is abridged if you are physically incapable of choosing evil. Arguably, heaven as described is lacking of free will because you are rejoining with God, and His omnipotence and omniscience rob you of any (meaningful) agency.

>tfw not even a Christian

This picture is retarded. Also, book of job you nigger. You're either not really a christian, or a terrible one. The problem of theodicy is not applicable to the Christian God.

I want to state my opinions in this thread but I feel like if I even bring up any legitimate criticism to Christianity (even though my families is christian orthodox) , I'll just get called a jew.

>Read the early church fathers user. We miss you BTW. "To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant"

Here's a taste. Justin Martyr describing the Mass in a letter to the Roman Emperor:
wordonfire.org/resources/blog/st-justin-martyr-on-the-eucharist-and-the-ancient-mass/4780/

All of the if-then relationships in this image work fine. There's just one problem:

The axiom.

"Evil" does not exist.

You are literally just a whiny bitch who thinks that the world should just give you infinite pleasure and happiness, and that this would be "good." You have conflated "what people want" with "what is good in the world."

Consider for a moment that you are an insignificant microorganism existing for a blink moment on a floating space-pebble in a universe that is before, after, or far away from what is actually "good", interesting or meaningful.

I've figured something out from years of life:

Everyone wants love, but no one gives it. People do not give what they themselves need. They create their own suffering.

Explain to me why you should not suffer, and why God should give a shit about you.

Protip: you can't.

>being this retarded

If you lost your faith so easily you never had it.

Sup Forums is the new jews, feel at home

>god created the universe, why create a universe with evil
>hurr durr I don't read the bible but still want to talk shit.
Evil is not a created thing. It is the mere lack off good, just as darkness is not a created thing but the lack of light, or cold the lack of heat. We see in the book of genesis that "God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good." the universe was not created with evil, rather it was inherently good. It was man who brought evil into the world, and from man all evil comes.
>but muh natural disasters and such
Are not evil, but are merely viewed as such be modern society's lack of faith.

Not an argument friendo.

The Baptists are hypocrites they call their preachers pastors while condemning Catholics for calling their priests father. And I don't believe the KJV is the best translation, the best is in Koine Greek for new testament. And in likely in Aramaic Hebrew for the old. And all those men are feeding a false God and are hypocrites

silly shlomo, tricks are for kids. the reason why God tests us is to give us a chance to prove our worthiness to our God so that we may be with him in his Kingdom when the time arrives. He gives us a great gift, free will. So the choice is simple. Do we become godless shlomo's like you or do we try to live up to God's expectations. If we do, we get to share his kingdom.

>Can God Prevent Evil?
yes
>Does God know about all the Evil?
Yes
>Does God want to prevent Evil?
Yes
>Then Why is there Evil?
This is where your false dilemma comes in. The options presented are not in the Bible at all.

Was pain, suffering, evil all part of God's plan? No, it wasn't. So why did he allow it. For two simple reasons: Sovereignty and Integrity.

>Sovereignty

When the snake(Satan) approached Eve again he told her that God was lying and that she WOULD NOT DIE if she ate the fruit. That she would know good and evil and become like God herself. That's why Satan's name is Satan the Devil. It's not his real name. Nobody knows his real name. Satan means "Slanderer" and Devil means Rebel. He was the first to lie, the first to slander and blasphem God, and the first to rebel. Why did Satan want Adam, Eve, and himself to rebel? Because of Sovereignty. The right to rule. Satan STOLE God's sovereignty over humanity by tricking Adam and Eve that THEY would be their own sovereigns themselves by knowing good and evil and "become like God." They would govern themselves and decide their own moral code. God could have destroyed the rebels but he chose not to so they could present their challenge.

>Can man rule himself and give himself paradise given time?
>Can Satan rule mankind and be their God instead of Jehovah?
>Can man bring himself into prosperity, peace, order, and happiness by himself?

These were all challenges to God's sovereignty. So God stepped back, let mankind rule themselves, while the devil secretly ruled them. God's challenge to them and all currently mankind is "prove it."

CONTINUED

Book of job isn't much of an argument

hahahahahaha yeah no you fucking god damn tard.

truth

>Integrity

>(Job 1:8) And Jehovah went on to say to Satan: “Have you set your heart upon my servant Job, that there is no one like him in the earth, a man blameless and upright, fearing God and turning aside from bad?”

>(Job 1:9-11) At that Satan answered Jehovah and said: “IS IT FOR NOTHING JOB HAS FEARED GOD?" 10Have not you yourself put up a hedge about him and about his house and about everything that he has all around? The work of his hands you have blessed, and his livestock itself has spread abroad in the earth. 11But, for a change, thrust out your hand, please, and touch everything he has [and see] whether he will not curse you to your very face.”

>(Job 2:4,5) But Satan answered Jehovah and said: “Skin in behalf of skin, and everything that a man has he will give in behalf of his soul. 5) For a change, thrust out your hand, please, and touch as far as his bone and his flesh [and see] whether he will not curse you to your very face.”

After Adam Eve, Cain Abel, Noah Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah and RIGHT BEFORE the rise of Moses and the 10 Plagues was the issue of Job. At the time JOB WAS THE ONLY GOD APPROVED PERSON ON EARTH. That's right, nobody was good on Earth except Job. Satan noticed that for a while there always continued to be humans loyal to God and wondered why. He reasoned up above that it was because God was bribing them with rewards, pleasures, and nice things. That humans were only loyal to God for rewards and not for sincere love of him. Satan challenged God in from of the angels to "thrust out your hand" and "hurt" him. Deny him all good things and watch as how Job turns against him. "Skin on behalf of skin" means that a man will throw away all of God's moral standards to save their own life. So God has allowed Satan to inflict pain and suffering on humanity to prove that humans will be loyal to God IN RETURN FOR NOTHING.