Reminder: If you have an Amazon Echo or Google Home you are being actively surveilled

If you're one of these people with an Amazon Echo or Google Home (or any of these wifi home assistant things) you are being actively listened to and monitored.

EVERYTHING you say in proximity to these things is recorded, uploaded, and STORED. These devices are also a backdoor for Google or an alphabet agency to gain access to your network via the wifi connection.

Pic related, it's the case where Amazon was sued for the recordings from the night of a murder. They eventually caved and released the recordings.

techcrunch.com/2017/03/07/amazon-echo-murder/

Other urls found in this thread:

cnn.com/2017/03/07/tech/amazon-echo-alexa-bentonville-arkansas-murder-case/index.html
tomsguide.com/us/nsa-track-off-mobiles,news-17851.html
independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/amazon-echo-murder-investigation-data-police-a7621261.html
slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/07/22/nsa_can_reportedly_track_cellphones_even_when_they_re_turned_off.html
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

Also a reminder that ANY device that's connected from your home to your phone via an apo or wifi can be used against you. Thermostats, water heaters, home automation programs, even your satellite or cable box. Verizon has admitted to putting cameras in some of their FIOS boxes supposedly to "gauge consumer reactions to advertisements".

cnn.com/2017/03/07/tech/amazon-echo-alexa-bentonville-arkansas-murder-case/index.html

Check this out from the above article:

>Another smart device, Bates' water heater, points to an exorbitant amount of water being used in the early-morning hours in what investigators believe was an attempt to cover up a crime, the affidavit says.

Duh

we’re living in 1984, no one seems to notice or care that their every move, word, and thought are being collated and processed. we’re marching right along to thought policing and total submission

Everyone is too busy watching cuck porn and arguing over whether Trump dumped too much fish food in the koi pond or not.

Normies wont care in this context because it helps solve a murder. Normies love murder-porn tv

I'm aware that everything is being recorded in some way. I don't really give a shit. If I somehow became an enemy of the state they could just invent or plant something anyway, it doesn't even matter what you do.

If you aren't doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about goyim. D-don't worry about any future laws that we'd be allowed to help prosecute you over! It's not like we're trying to destroy your freedom of speech..b-baka..

Reminder if you have a smartphone on your person you are being actively surveilled.

Op why are you saying it as if it's a shocking revelation?

Perchance did you migrate from another online community?

Hope they are enjoying the constant diet of fashy music rolling through my halls then, and my personal rendering of the fine opera "Burn the Jew" which i perform while bathing.

And you paid for the spying device yourself.
It's like humanity is getting really retarded

I design a lot of so-called "smart devices". You want none of this shit in your home.

anything with a mic or a camera in it is inevitably a data grab maneuver for the producer, particularly if it's a one time purchase item (like a nest thermostat). think of the cash flows, it's a one time buy and they are stuck supporting your dumb ass for the life of the product. The only way these companies can offset their costs is to mine you for everything.

The mainstream tech community has a very "fuck you" attitude towards personal privacy. They see value in analyzing every aspect of what you do and storing it in a database.

Same with your smartphone or smart TVs

i wonder how many microphones are being brought into homes this christmas season. they are being pushed at every retailer.

You leafs are so cucked that you'll accept whatever Trudeau wants to do to you without question.

True story. They can triangulate your position even with it turned off.

Sorry for posting something on-topic about a serious matter in our country. I'll go back to posting blacked threads.

>True story. They can triangulate your position even with it turned off.
no they fucking can't. last known position, sure, but if you aren't connected to a tower they can't see you.

I know this is Sup Forums but don't be so dense

You're fake news

That girl looks way too young. What is wrong with you?

Nest is a Google product. They upload all your usage data and settings directly to Google, and Google can access your stat AND modify its software without telling you. It’s all in the user agreement. With your usage they can tell all kinds of stuff like when you’re home or not, etc. plus you’re giving Google a backdoor into your network.

Thats a good point.

wtf I'm going to buy 10 now

I don't think this surprises anyone. Same goes with mobilephones. At least you don't carry Alexa everywhere you go

Yes they fucking can. All of the major brands of phone are set up for tracking even when powered down by the user. If the battery is still in it they can find you.

tomsguide.com/us/nsa-track-off-mobiles,news-17851.html

>The mainstream tech community
is literally a modern STASI.

>not just wrapping your phone in tin foil

it's also a net cash loss for Google. Nest knew they couldn't survive as an independent company so they sold. Google is only in it for the research and data.

Nest gets pushed hard by power/gas companies because they want more refined usage data (down to the minute) and a very long term goal is demand response, meaning they can remotely shut your shit off when they feel like it due to system load.

completely implausible chemtrail tier garbage. no power, no signal, no tracking.

Oh no now i can’t murder people without being charged for murder

Turned off and "turned off" is not the same.
Ask yourself why more and more companies make it basically impossible to remove the battery.

And don't forget to disconnect your Oculus Rift sensors after playing.

Jesus Christ I hate you fucking leafs.

>What's it matter if nothing matters anyways and if anything did matter it wouldn't even matter

t. Every leaf ever

killyourselffaggot.jpg

I don't understand why someone wants one of these? I don't get Siri/Cortana either. I mean mostly the utility thereof.

There is still power if the battery is connected retard. This can be done with laptops and desktops aswell aslong they are connected to a power source even if the user turns it off

why do you think you can't remove the batteries from most phones anymore? it's not water proofing, there are plenty of submersible devices that have replaceable batteries

mostly driven by planned obsolescence and industrial design/aesthetics. Apple would rather have you throw your phone away every year and buy a new one for $500 versus replace a $30 battery.

Please explain to me via what sorcery a phone could be tracked with zero power.

>you are being actively surveilled

Pffft, as long as I am not being detained...

Based reichsbro gets it

didn't we learn about this from the same leaks that taught us CIA can literally take control of and crash your car whenever they want?

you cannot magically get the hardware working when it's turned off you fucking moron. doesn't matter if the battery is still loaded or not.

>EVERYTHING you say in proximity to these things is recorded, uploaded, and STORED.

Except that's false, because not a word is stored until you say "alexa" - the processing of which is done locally and can be verified by taking the device offline.


Proof or fuck off.

No-one does. that's the point.
Its a slide thread again. older generations were scared of mobile phones. do you think theyre gonna buy into something like that?
>"sage" goes in the options field

They store metadata, not the actual recordings.

Yes it can. You have to infect the pc in the bios level. The pc can the be remotely started if its is connected to network

Jeff Bezos pls go

I'm sure the language recognition is better than the old dragon speak shit, but how much can you get done by yelling at a speaker/microphone thing?

If it has a powersource it is ON, no matter how bright the screen is or isn't. Take the battery out. Of you can't, be content that you can be tracked in case of abduction.

No, they have the actual recordings too. You can go on your account and listen to the shit you've said in the past. Low quality voice compresses well.

Power companies have been doing this shit for years. They offer you whatever the latest fancy thermostat is and sometimes a discount on your rate too FOR FREE*. No one ever reads the fine print saying in exchange they reserve the right to disable your AC during peak usage days (like, when it’s really fucking hot).

he is not wrong though, you could go to extreme lengths to be off the grid amd avoid phones or any possible surveillance, but if the gov't wants to they will Seth Rich your ass and there is not alot you can do aside from setting up a deadmans switch like Assange.

is a bit of both

AMAZON NO. DELET THIS.
Only Amazon and innumerable specially-selected third-party partners are allowed to have access to your surveillance footage.

Just because your display is powered down doesn't mean the entire device is. It's pretty easy to add circuits that tap the battery all the time, even if it's powered off.

Powering off doesn't magically remove all electrical power from the device, it just blocks everything wired past the on/off button.

true its useless junk, no-one needs or particularly wants that will be $20-30 in less than 2years.

fugging reborded :DDDD

Read the article. Amazon keeps the actual recordings of your voice, supposedly in case you dispute what you ordered.

Nah, fuck you, stop spreading misinformation. Any of this shit can be verified in minutes with a copy of wireshark.

Tawnee Stone was a legal softcore pornstar over a decade ago.

You're conflating the reasonable expectation of privacy to being an enemy of the state.

"I don't have anything to hide so what do I care"

"I don't have anything to say so what does freedom of speech matter."

"If noone had guns noone would get murdered by guns"

Yes goyim, let the jew flow through you. Before you know it we will be in internment camps for being evil white people saying

>What's it even matter if nothing matters anyways and if anything did matter it wouldn't matter anyways

Just use tinfoil and they can't get jackshit. If for whatever reason you don't want your mobile to transmit anything, wrap it 2-3 times in tinfoil. I'm not even memeing

So while it's technically possible, it's completely implausible. Get a phone, shut it off, and stick it next to a spectrum analyzer. All you are going to see is maybe some switching transients from the power supply/battery management circuit. I can assure you that unless your phone is somehow hacked, you will not see phone signals magically coming out.

And then you go back to a dumb thermostat. That was fun.

The mic is always on. They say it doesn't begin recording until you trigger it with the keyword. I'm sure we can trust them though, right? Definitely no way they'd record or listen to anything I didn't want them to.

independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/amazon-echo-murder-investigation-data-police-a7621261.html

This guy is correct. Has to be 100% covered.

We've gone from impossible to technically plausible. I'm gonna take this as your admission that you were wrong, take a knee, and run out the clock.

That article relies on ONE comment from the shithole news known as the Washington Post. But I suppose all cell-phone manufacturers are in on it too huh.

Device is """turned off""". Alarms you've set still work.

>paying a corporation to bug your home
I'm glad you brought up "smart" devices too, and let me add: Nobody building "smart" devices gives a single shit about securing them. So the detailed records those devices collectively make of everything you do in your house? Those aren't just going to Google, or to every government agency from the Mossad on down to your local PD. You're putting total surveillance of your life up for grabs to any skiddie who wants it.

>So while it's technically possible
So you were wrong.
got it.

i like it. really activated the old brain nuts

>gives a single shit about securing them
I would actually turn that around and say they even add security holes for alphabet soups intentionally.

You can't tell me that all those companies are THAT fucking retarded.

AND REMEMBER THE SAME THING IS TRUE IF YOU ARE USING A NON FREE OPERATING AND YOUR PC/MOBILE PHONE IS ON.

Wow who could have seen this coming

Why are you shilling so hard for these (((companies)))

If true, battery would drain with phone off. If the software forges battery readings (which would be noticed very quickly) you could still check the battery manually to confirm.

I've always figured that every email and text is recorded. I've known that every keystroke in chrome is logged. But RF active with phone off? Would have been noticed a million times over by now.

A phone has to transmit to be tracked. Transmissions drain batteries.

Also, ROMs are deconstructed and overhauled all the time. If there was a piece of sophisticated spyware hanging out somewhere, phone gurus would have noticed it a thousand times by now.

Here, this article explains the WaPo find in terms you can understand better

slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/07/22/nsa_can_reportedly_track_cellphones_even_when_they_re_turned_off.html

The cellphone manufacturers claim they don't know how the NSA was able to track phones that were turned off. This wasn't one or two phones that they could've planted a tracker in - this was thousands of phones. The article also touches on how the FBI used trojans to track phones that were turned off as well.

There, ya got a reply and a (You). Go get some fresh air, your day is complete.

That phone in your pocket is doing the same thing. In fact it's tracking you even more so than the smart home hubs.

Wake on LAN has been a thing for decades. After Intel MEI, anything is possible.

security and firmware bugs are a huge concern. Why people want to add a tiny shitty internet connected computer to every fucking thing they own makes no sense to me, and I've worked as a designer in this industry for a decade.

the garbage tier coders who wrote the software on your thermostat or internet connected fridge or whatever aren't going to be maintaining it 5 years on. Have fun when you get DDOS'd by 100,000 toasters.

>(((echo)))

Not necessarily if it does burst pull/push of updated GPS data

Yup. Anyone who has these things is a retard.

Actually a lot of us care. We don't have wifi in my place, any we're not buying into smart home crap.

Mostly for health reasons, but secondarily for security.

We use Ethernet cables for our computers and TV's. We use a sony box that connects to apps via ethernet, and the wifi is turned off.

Tape over all the cameras, not computers in the bedrooms yada yada.

Fuck all the smart home stuff. Get smart people. Disable that fucking crap.

Your privacy is up for sale AND SO IS YOUR HEALTH.

If you've ever ripped open a laptop there's some nice metallic material in there that you can wrap around your phone that'll block the signal. But if you're that concerned I'm sure you can also use it as a hat.

if you own a smartphone you already lost.

KYS RETARD.
LISTEN TO SNOWDEN.

Holy fucking shit. Why would anyone ever place one of these things inside of their home? That is legitimately frightening.

>It is not explained in the report exactly how this technique worked. But to spy on phones when they are turned off, agencies would usually have to infect the handset with a Trojan that would force it to continue emitting a signal if the phone is in standby mode, unless the battery is removed. In most cases, when you turn your phone off—even if you do not remove the battery—it will stop communicating with nearby cell towers and can be traced only to the location it was in when it was powered down.

so they did exactly what I said. The phones were compromised with a software attack. They are not bending the laws of RF physics and somehow sniffing out inactive radio transceivers.

Get this pedo shit out of here.

well if you care so much to do something you better get rid of your phone and computer and smart tv otherwise you share the same sentiment of "whatever if they surveille me"

Not just smart-phones, a flip phone can track your movements just as well.

I bought the thing to troll them to be honest

>Goyim, that's only one
>The (((others))) are totally safe
>Thinking otherwise is a conspurancy theory
Yes, there are no special courts, who can basically force companies to do something illegal or even something going against their business. No way all those companies would be in on it or would be forced by (((anyone))) in the world.

All those companies are just really terrible at software + hardware development and they all hire totally incompetent developers. All of them also see the need in adding cameras and microphones into all of their products, although those things cost money and some companies even use worse hardware components to save a few cents only.

Yes, Microsoft is even incapable of for example showing file extensions by default, ages after the very first virus attachment abused it and they also implemented autostart functionality even for USB drives, despite floppies back during the DOS days being used for virus stuff. Yes, the software developers at Microsoft are all THAT RETARDED AND STUPID.

Smartphones are fine, just get rid of alexa

Exactly. The problem is it's going to be hard to find devices that aren't pumping out wifi signals. You also have to turn off your FUCKING WIFI.

Someone will fill the market.

The health effects are enough of a worry, let alone the disgusting abuse of privacy.

>it's 2005 again

Hell even sluts weren't so slutty back then

>Smartphones are fine, just get rid of alexa
No. Not a single piece of technology running any form of non-free firmware/software/hardware is "fine".

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If you have a smartphone, or a laptop with a webcam/microphone they are already listening.

Where do I do that?
I do the opposite.
I say that it's all done intentionally and not happenstance.
Maybe some companies are "forced", but I wouldn't care because it's still their responsibility.

How said anything about bending bending the laws of physics

Who*

It's not that those companies tried to secure the devices but failed due to stupidity. They don't try. At all.

The Echo and Home probably have backdoors. I say "probably" because I have no proof but there is zero reason to think that they don't. But your "smart" appliances often don't need backdoors because there's literally no security to bypass.

A few years back it came to light that one of the big router manufacturers was distributing Web-connected surveillance cameras that were set up for open access by default. To this day, if you search for the right query, you will still get hundreds of pages of live camera feeds from businesses, homes, even the occasional government office.

That is virtually every "Internet of Things" smart device. The manufacturers simply don't put any effort into making them behave any other way.

>push/pull
That's something that people also do not understand.
>See, there is no traffic right now
Well duh, maybe it's simply keeping a recording and pushing it out later, when it's officially "okay" to do so.
See even PS3 or Wii U as recent examples of that being done. Those systems save which games you played etc. and as soon as an internet connection is available, they push that all out to their kike masters.