Your opinion on cel animation

Your opinion on cel animation.

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An overhyped, outdated technique.
Just like human-controlled cars.

I miss it but I realize that times change and Miyazaki is just a salty fuck with a shitty beard.

It definitely adds a lot of personality to the frames.

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Good.

Meowth

Cool but I don't think people should fetishize it.
Since when had Miyazaki hated digital? Mononoke was the last cel animated Ghibli film wasn't it?

some things it does better, some things digital does better. but still miss it a lot. film photography and film movies still exist (somewhat) so wish cel animation could still be around

It's cool because it makes cels but it's really expensive. Today's digital can actually mimic cel animation with a computer vastly cutting cost.

I think Spirited Away from 2001 was the last before digital. I'm not sure though. It was definitely either that, or Princess Mononoke.

Needs to make a proper return without any cgi.

That's right!

Had the best atmosphere.

Kills millions of trees every year.
Makes me wonder what the hell Captain Planet is trying to say.

cels are paintings plastic dumbass

From an end-product standpoint, the only thing digital has over paint is that gradients can be consistently animated, and I can't really say I prefer that style. I hate the effects in ufotable anime and the glowing faces in Chuu2koi.

For some reason Pokémon: Destiny Deoxys (2004) successfully has the rich colors of cel-painted anime but I'm confident that it's painted digitally. How did this happen?

The only thing it changes in the end product is coloring. If a creator really, REALLY wanted it, they could imitate the coloring cel animation produces.

I've collected quite a few

Are those really the original colors? They look oversaturated.

check this obnoxious fan video youtu.be/RFRszGDUzM4?t=13m45s

More expensive anime = less anime being made = less shit anime
The good ol' days

Pokemon cel are insanely expensive. Something like that would be several hundred.

I miss it, especially how stuff like beams and lightning used to look

stuffing your face as usual

Glorious.

Perfect.

I wish they used a filter to emulate its feel. With all these current filters and gradients, it would be cool to make an anime look old and such.

>How did this happen?

Rather, how does this usually not happen?

Digital can do anything that cels can do, theoretically. And although there are a few hardships emulating the traditional textures, we're getting there little by little.

Digital has a range of millions of colors, when paint is pretty limited. Why limit digital to colors of cel's paint? It's dumb. Digital is better, more possibilities are better.

The problem though is that they took a habit to exaggerate the color saturation and all (since most comedy anime were always kinda colorful, but limited by their medium, digital unleashed the colors possibility). While it works in some cases, most of the time it's painful for the overall look, without mentioning that they all look the same now and the mastery of the color palette is overall bad, seems weaker than in the cels era.

The fact that the colors were limited in the cels era is, at this time, considerable as a blessing, since it forced them not to do too messy palettes. (also the price of the paint)

So yeah, I like the usual vibe of cels colors (your screen is great), but I don't think it's a good idea to try to imitate it by all means, even if it can be nice at times, to create a particular atmosphere.

There are still skilled color designers in anime nowadays, it seems, look Uchouten Kazoku for example.

The fact that they're using traditionally painted backgrounds helps too.

Also, Pokemon character design in your screen still looks pretty 90's. So the matching color palette helps giving a feel of traditional.

Though, the lines are looking pretty weird, but it's probably digital anyway.

I forgot how good this was, definitely my favourite pokemon movie

It's shit.

>the only thing digital has over paint
There are so many art styles and styles of direction that can't be done in cel, you know.

Have fun doing, say, Gankutsuou on cel.

G-Reco was sort of close when it wasn't being a visual effects bonanza.

Better than digital.

G-Reco sorta did
I liked whatever effect they used on the character outlines at least

>how did this happen

This was before production teams traded quality in for quantity. Once it become apparent how quickly shit could be produced digitally it became the fuck fest we have today.

Didn't Eureka 7 & King gainer do something similar too?

A little bit
Not sure about E7

>E7
definitely not, it totally had that RETAS pro vector tracing thing look.

Haven't watched King Gainer but I doubt it had that treatment as well. G-Reco was the first series to use a filter to emulate that grainy look AFAIK (rather than use actual pencil textures like Mob Psycho for example)
Tiger Mask is using a similar treatment for the lineart.

better when done well, the colors tend to be a bit richer, modern stuff often looks like it was colored in MS paint.

Occultic;Nine also use a similar filter (I think I like it more, it's more textured, even if too much sometimes), and a lot of recent anime gives much more weight to the lines that usual (Osomatsu-san for example)

There are a lot of shows that have some sort of filter or effect or in general just do something different with their lines this season.

Off the top of my head, Occultic, Tiger Mask, Classicaloid, Natsume Yuujinchou Go, and I know there are some others but my memory is awful. Girlish Number has blue lines as well.

Digital is just another excuse to make anime even cheaper, lazier, and more mass-produced. Colors become flat, shading complexity is reduced by an order of magnitude, and backgrounds become a teenager's blender project from deviantart.

You really think this isn't immediately recognizable as being digital? You must be nuts

Do you have a screenshot of how Natsume Go did it? I haven't bothered watching it yet but it's interesting to compare with the previous seasons, that I have seen, I didn't notice anything special in those.

Not sure if he said that but it's obvious it isn't perfect yet.

>you

Way better than digital color.

Just like practical effects being better than CG. I think just computer shit sucks dick.

>Do you have a screenshot of how Natsume Go did it?
It's fairly subtle but there is a grain effect on the lines. Sometime it's more visible and sometimes it's barely noticeable.

>You really think this isn't immediately recognizable as being digital? You must be nuts
Nobody said they were aiming to accurately emulate cel animation, just an aesthetic that happens to be part of cel.

It's cool, but ultimately, it's nothing terribly important. People that fetishise it and reject modern anime as "soulless" are silly.

Cel > Digital desu

All videophiles and professional 2D animators / directors will tell you that Cel animation is vastly superior to Digital. However, Digital is cheaper, so there you go. Literally nothing else matters.

Wtf are you on here? Why would videophile say that? And videophiles are retards. Why would animators/directors say that? Though japanese animators are retards in majority and good ones know the ease that digital brings to the process. Same for directors but they usually should prefer digital, if not for their memories of traditional and the "feel" of the medium.