How many of you were libertarian and now are authoritarian right? Just curious to see how many of us there are

How many of you were libertarian and now are authoritarian right? Just curious to see how many of us there are

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me user, i read Atlas shrugged, wanted no more taxes, and worshiped rand paul and "muh constitution." It all stemmed from the fact that i was frustrated with the mainstream republicans. But soon i saw that legit all they care about is money and that they would sell this country for muh tax breaks. I am now a full on fascist and member of the American Blackshirts, a party which i would very much reccomend looking in to.

Right Here.

Yep.
Started libertarian, applied the principles to arrive at anarcho capitalism, then realized its obvious limitations (it's not a political theory, for one) then became a neo-reactionary after reading moldbug.

I don’t want to be dominated by Jews:
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This is literally 90% of Sup Forums to be honest, the true red pill is realising that NatSoc provides the liberties that humans need. Those it denies are not needed

>us

People can still identify cucks from stormfront.
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Yo.

Yup. Can't even make it through this video without getting teary-eyed now:
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holy shit, that was essentially my excact path, i wonder if we could give it the name , like the "rightwing ramp?"

>meme flag
>drive-by insult
>using the term "stormcuck" unironically

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You, z man, maybe a few others.

Using government force to achieve your objectives is how we got where we are. Now we just fight over who controls Leviathan. It's a popular delusion.

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Hello glow in the dark. I too am a fash to bash.

It just happened so fast, I don't know what to do anymore.

When I was in high school I was in the green square. By the end of university I was in the purple square. Now I believe NSDAP was the greatest political party in modern history.

Has everyone taken this path? The Chad Slingshot.

>when you realize the existence of Western civilization itself trumps personal freedom

Speak for yourself. I hate the leviathan as much as anyone does. I'm authoritarian because that's what it takes to kill this beast.

You're never going to have small, socially liberal states. It's militarily and politically impossible. Not to mention that a functional society can't tolerate immorality.

Pretty much

Its called growing up

The only faggots who switched are brainlets who actually believe a centralized authority cares whether they are national socialists or globalist socialists. Fuckin retards.

Did your dad rape you? Because the only people who support authoritarian states are the ones with daddy issues.

I think we can do a little better than that user
>Hippie-Hoppe-Heli-Heil
>The Pinochet Pivot
>The Molyneaux Mosey

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We've all been there Bruder
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Dumping some redpills/quotes/feels/vids for any lolbergs who are still on their way up.

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This. This past year has made it clear there are some people who should never be allowed to govern.

I fluctuate back in forth.

who is he?

Me. I remember the beginning of the 2016 election cycle thinking "I dont think I can vote for Trump because if he bombs people it will be my fault" Now I want a wall and mass deportations and thot plice.

Economically, I’d say strong government and free markets for it’s citizens. Basically what Hitler did.

Awh, you guys still think there's a peaceful way out of this, you're adorable.
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>that feel when you find out the kikes stole our terms and turned them against us
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SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS, ASSEMBLE!

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Me, until I realized libitarianism will only work if people have common sense and respect other people. Neither happen to be the case, authoritarian laws must be implemented to control the unstable. Libertarianism is like communism in that it sounds great in theory but due to human nature it wont work for any amount of time.

Man we fucking tried to go our own ways and it lead to us getting bowled over and our ideals made fun of in popular culture. It was tenable before all this mass migration shit bit now it is evident that if we want to maintain Western ideals we need to come together and gain political power.

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Right here
Just leave my guns alone and ill use them for good

the problem with libertarianism is (((people))) who think it should mean no collectivism and not voluntary, mutually beneficial collectivism

I'm a lolbertarian and here's the thing: there's something prodigiously stupid about including statists outsider into your political regime on the basis of the idea that libertarians are supposed to be against government action.

First, libertarians aren't in favor of free movement per se, as there's nothing in private property that warrants it. Second, it's an absolute certainty that the cause of liberty isn't being served by supplying the other side with soldiers because not doing so would allegedly be against our principles. Third, there's nothing principled about allowing immigration while at the same time recognizing the authority of the state to settle questions of immigration. It's just as unprincipled as recognizing the state's authority to prevent immigration with the added disadvantage of being strategically suicidal.

For a libertarian, as long as there's a state, open border BS isn't an option, and if there weren't a state then you wouldn't have open borders but private borders.

For Any Americans in this thread, i would very much reccomend checking out the American Blackshirts. They are the only geniune Fascist Party in america being the only party that has any hope of gaining any mainstream traction in the united states. Literally our only hope at this point as the republican party and the motley collection of nazis wont take us anywhere.

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Pretty much this.

voted for ron paul in '88 (before he was cool)
now would probably gas him if the possibility presented itself

I was a libertardian and now I want a military republic with fascist values. Liberty can work but the only way to create and preserve a libertarian order is through force. We need market freedom with protections that ensure the welfare of the nation like no federal reserve, no income tax, and strong borders. White nationalism + liberty + strong government. Monarchs used to leave their people alone. The average man under a monarch lived a good free life.

>anyone under 30 browsing stormfront

lul, these stupid insults didn't work in 2011 and they sure as fuck won't work now

I was a libertarian until I realized I can't attract or keep a woman unless I offer them marriage and I want to beat my kids like my bullies beat me so I became a fascist.

Depends on my mood during the day.

Me. Used to be hardcore principle libertarian. I come from a family of workers and hunters. Most of my beliefs boil down to wanting to be able to do as I please on my own land which I earned through my own hard work. Then I realized that the American left genuinely wants to prevent me from doing this. I don't just mean gun grabbing, i mean the average liberal I interact with thinks home owning and landowning is immoral. I now know that our views are so heinously incompatible that there is no option for peace until their entitled ideology is snuffed out.

I hate politics. I'm just trying to kill all the Jews for the sake of humanity. Stay out of my way.

Aww, you think there's a difference between communism and national socialism. You're retarded.

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always been an anarchist and has not changed. Late 30ies.

I went travelling and saw enough autonomous regions and communities. Whole populations living a prosperous peaceful and fullfilling life with most conditions that define an anarchist society met.

Leftwing communist,- and nationalist rightwing -fascism is all the same to me. Entertainment

No. I'm ever 30 and not totally fucking retarded. Authority changes hands every 4-8 here.
You, OP, are a little bit of mentally stunted chicken. I hope you die of anal sepsis.

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I used to think people should be left to fuck up their own lives, now I realize that you sadly can't just let fuckups be fuckups because they will fuck YOUR shit up too.

thats cucktastic senpai

> being a lolsperg civicuck faggot neet in the first place

Nope, 100% NatSoc from the start.

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Reminder that Libertarians actually dont exist anymore. They have always been identifying themselves as anarchists. Whereas today the term has a completely different meaning.

>be Turkish
>think anyone cares about your opinion

I'm still libertarian when it comes to what I want for the ideal future, but for now... I think we might have to violate the NAP a tad...

Not violating the NAP is a good ideal to strive towards for the future, but thinking humanity is currently capable of that kind of society is delusional.

>How many of you were libertarian and now are authoritarian right? Just curious to see how many of us there are
Years ago when I was still in "usury loans" college rip off system and thought libertarianism was the answer.

you are a brainwashed nigger faggot

I was libertarian until i realized i was actively being treaded upon, and the libertarians weren't doing a god damn fucking thing. now i shitpost radical nonsense fascism in the name of taking back our free speech and gun rights.

also, israel did 9/11

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I've been always in the Right until i discovered Milton Friedman and later Ayn Rand, who led me to be a full blown libertarian, because of the free market support and personal freedom matters.

Later i read further about libertarianism (mainly Rothbard and Hoppe), at the same era SJW's and lefties in general went full retard (with the support of the media and governments, mid 2015's). and then i noticed how libertarian mainstream started to lean to the left and moral ambiguity (muh borders, racism).

At some point i realized how protecting your own culture was important in the event of the massive emasculation of europe with the feminist fad and massive inmigration, and of course i realized how impossible is to share a free society with people who want to destroy it

Conservative Libertarian today. if that exists.

I'm not even sure where to start here.... you really need to have at least a basic understand of the terms here otherwise i'm just talking to a wall.

National Socialism is slightly to the right of center whereas Communism as at the extreme left of the spectrum.

The basis of National Socialism is the race (the Volk) and the nation. We believe in private property & mixed-market economics through class cohesion.

Communists believe in none of these things.

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Me. Libertardianism doesnt work, all it does is enable Jews, niggers, faggots, refugees and other scum like crackheads. Only going full 1488 can save us now.

Stalinist. suck my dick y'all

>mah gubbermint boogeyman

government never forced Jews into positions of power, mexicans to move to your country or the filth and degeneracy known as american culture, which would happen regardless with your cucky libertardian ideology

I went from authoritarian left to authoritarian right. Well, maybe I'm still authoritarian left in some ways.

me as well.

That seems to be one of the rarer paths, what was it that caused you to move to the right?

I decided that Marx's LTV was incorrect, historical materialism was actually not so good, abolition of hierarchy and class society is nonsense since an elite always exists in society, and attempting to actually centrally plan an economy is shit. Basically most of Marxist theory is just wrong and/or wordsalad. I mean it's better than pure liberalism but it's still wrong.

Also, most Marxists are basically just tools of liberals. They agree on everything but capitalism, but they don't really understand things like high-low vs. middle conflict etc. so they don't really understand how they further the liberal agenda. Also at the end of the day a lot of Communists are just vulgar third-worldists who want revenge on their own civilization for not doing enough for the poor third-worlders. Funnily enough, this also advances the liberal agenda.

Also, lots of leftists are anti-science. They refuse to acknowledge that diversity causes conflict, or they do and actively want the conflict for the usual reasons, mostly to punish lower and middle-class whites with diversity. For fuck's sake, when you have leftists citing Gould and Lewontin at you, you know you're working with retards.

With that said, I don't identify with libertarianism or anything. If we had an actual monarchy I might unironically support a maximum wage to prevent activism.

Very well put, I agree with all of those positions. I've found myself making several of these exact arguments to leftists before, but they'll usually either deflect or find some other way to shift topics. Hearing from people who've broken through these same cracks from the other side gives me a lot of hope for the future.

>E. Michael Jones: Baader-Meinhof and the End of the Left
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Progressivism is quasi-religious so it's hard to break through the conditioning.

Actually, shrieking is a common Progressive response to criticism. You can see this even among early Marxists, their response to criticism is basically just shrieking in rage. If you try to convince them that this idea of "class struggle" is total nonsense they just shriek and tell you to read a book. Well, the Marxist books are in fact wrong so this won't do you any good.

if you try to convince people to not be for diversity, they will shriek about our moral duty to the third world and how the incremental improvements to the lives of the global poor outweigh the losses from our own countries. Radical leftists similarly shriek about our guilt for imperialism and our moral duty for international solidarity. You get referred to "anti-idpol" leftists like Zizek... who praised Merkel for going against the general will to admit Muslim refugees, while bitching about the Lack of Democracy (tm) in other speeches.

if you try to read even a mainstream hereditarian work like The Bell Curve they will shriek and cite Gould and accuse Murray of racist bias. If you point out that Gould could just as well be accused of Communist or Jewish bias and cite Macdonald they just shriek even more.

It all becomes rather clear what's going on here once you read de Jouvenel.

I'm of the opinion that a Libertarian Government is objectively the best way to govern a homogeneous community (I.E. Our White Ethnostate) and that it is what our ultimate goal should be. However, an Authoritarian Government is the means by which we will achieve that end, but it will be bloody. So what does that make me?

Grew up apolitical but into conspiracies, some of them right wing, then I went ancap/libertarian because I was a cryptonigger, now I'm full natsoc.

>refuse to acknowledge diversity causes conflict
They usually try to tell me that racial differences are almost non-existent but class differences...those are enormous. I then am forced to explain how I remember moving 5 times before I started 1st grade because I was born in the Chicago right as a huge wave of White Flight was starting to take place.

>maximum wage to prevent activism
Fine by me

Pinochet.

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(((they))) made libertarianism impossible

>Relatable

Turned into a white nationalist after being a lolbertarian for a long while because dad is a baby boomer cuckservative

Yes. Yes (((they))) did.

Hitler literally did nothing wrong.

When I was 14 I was a communist, I still have Marx's manifesto.
When I was 16-17 I was pretty apolitical.
When I was 19 I opposed Obama (I've always been racist. I was talking to my ex-girlfriend from when I was 14ish and she said I would always call her black associate her "Nigger-friend")
When I was 21 I was "lolbertarian" I didn't understand economics and I certainly didn't understand human nature.
When I was 23 I was Anti-Feminist, Anti-SJW, anti-PC, anti-Censorship.
When I was 25 I founded a National Socialist movement (The National Socialist Canadian Labour Revival Party)
I'm now almost 27 and I'm developing a completely new poli-economic system to fix what Herr Hitler got wrong, and I find Fascism lacking when it comes to the economic element of human labour.

So. That's my story.

Well, whether or not they are different, they're easily identifiable markers in society, and diversity tends to cause ethnic conflict. The idea is that "race" as an idea is a social construct caused by class society, so that when class society is abolished (assuming this can actually be done lel) there will be no ethnic conflict. Somehow all the angry minorities will just forget about all their past grievances under Communism. How this happens precisely, no one knows. It turns out that many of the things leftists say are caused by bourgeois society are, in fact, not actually caused by bourgeois society! Who knew.

>OMG, READ A BOOK
Every fucking time. Damn m8, your shift to the right must have been fucking excruciating from the other side.

The worst I ever got from the the hostile lolbergs is stuff like this:
>Zizek
That motherfucker physically disgusts me. I don't know how people can keep it together when dealing with Sniffles for more than 5 minutes at a time.

Heh. Funny you should post Stirner. I remember not that long ago some Stirnerite published a translation of Stirner through an outfit that also published white nationalist books. Another Stirnerite on twitter flew into a shrieking, righteous rage about how racism was a spook. Morals are a spook, except the ones dictated by my secular religion, of course. You racist.

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Stirner.

Libertarian Socialist here, and I am still one. But I find myself agreeing with conservatives more and more about issues like pro-life, traditional values, nationalism, etc. This is probably due to the left being on a path to going absolutely insane. And the irony of them calling people "right wing nut jobs" is just too great.

No brakes on the Progressive train. Logical conclusion of liberal thought is "muh cummies". That's it. Imposing the idea that your goal in life is utilitarian maximization of pleasure through consumption has consequences. Typically leftists respond with "muh gabidalism :D rid buk", as if these ideas simply popped out of thin air one day through the dialectical base-superstructure interaction of society and the productive forces. Where did these changes come from, I wonder? Certainly couldn't have been to serve the interests of certain rulers. That would be idealism!

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