What do you think about the PESCO EU army initiative signed today?

Brussels: The European Union will move towards closer defence ties Monday with more than 20 states signing a landmark pact that aims to boost cooperation after Brexit and counteract Russian pressure.

Similar efforts to deepen military links have been frustrated for decades, partly by Britain's fierce opposition to anything that might lead to a European army.

But Brexit and Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014 has once again brought the need for a strong European security stance back into focus.

The permanent structured cooperation on defence agreement (PESCO), seeks to tighten defence between EU members and improve coordination in the development of new military hardware.

The agreement is part of efforts led by Germany and France to reboot the European Union after Britain's decision to leave and follows the announcement in June of a 5.5-billion euro European Defence Fund.

The pact's backers say it will complement NATO, which will keep its primary role in defending Europe.

Spanish Defence Minister Maria Dolores de Cospedal hailed PESCO last week as "possibly the EU's most ambitious current project".

firstpost.com/world/eu-seeks-to-boost-defence-cooperation-20-member-countries-sign-pesco-agreement-to-improve-military-mobility-4206657.html

yawn.. it will never happen

It's not gonna achieve the results they're hoping for, since too many smaller European states have a strong sense of Euro-scepticism, so they wont really be committed to the project.
This will lead up to Germany once again bearing the majority of the eoconomic difficulties, which will only lead to more economic disparity and unhappiness.
Merkel will naturally bitch and moan about this to said states, which will result in worsening relations and ineffective bargains at the table.

Dude that spacing... Also bump because even with reddit spacing the militarization of the EU is an important topic.

GLORY TO THE EU!!!

EU won't spend the money because war is expensive.

All you EU army fags are young and therefore militarily illiterate. You won't fix that problem because it takes considerable study.

Germany isn't going to rule Europe. It can't afford it.

I am for more integration.
Fast.

It's just Germany being butthurt about NATO isn't it. You keep talking about MUH RUSSIA, but it really is an issue of who controls the army of Europe, whether it's Germany or US. Well the only way you're winning this is if US completely bails on EU and just lets you do whatever you want

Fuck of EU stop appropriating American culture

Like 90% of EU initiatives it's all talk and no action. It will just become a paper pushing organization used for cerimonies and spending even more taxes on

It has nothing to do with eu army. It will simply make cooperation between our military industries easier.

So, I guess Germany will invade Poland AGAIN, and the Brits and US will have to retake it for the overwhelmed Poles due to the new .EU horde of army shit skins.

Goddammit Germany

European haven't been fully involved in a major war since World War 2. We're a little rusty, but who should we base our model off? Your track record has been pretty abysmal since the Vietnam War desu.

>It will simply make cooperation between our military industries easier.
It most likely won't. It will just become a bureacratic mess like most of EU projects once it will demond common standards, forms, etc.

no one wants to die for you Hans

None of those countries have won any wars that are relevant.

>implying that Germany will ever increase its military spending
>implying that Eastern Europe will ever consider paying for their own defence
>implying that they won't be fucked when the U.S slowly reconsiders the importance of NATO
>implying France would subsume itself into a foreign military making De Gaulle's ghost cry

Meme treaty.

Neither has the U.S since World War 2. It appears we're in a similar position.

They do this but they can't honor NATO?

Disingenuous Shitlords: the Continent

Abomination

>Disingenuous Shitlords: the Continent

Why do you think we hate them so much?

like you are any better, Paki

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Wtf our(Polish) government are a bunch of traitors. Civil war now goddammit

Time to invade germony again.

we 2% by 2018 is confirmed, so is Latvia.

>You keep talking about MUH RUSSIA

You are threatening us with nukes and have already landgrabbed half of Ukraine. You are the evil Russian boggeyman trying to rape our kids and shoot our dogs and steel our Bratwursts.

Wtf Hungary? Less than 1%?
That what happened then you let Putin into your country.

>the announcement in June of a 5.5-billion euro European Defence Fund
That's quite a bit of money they gave there.
And the stuff like they announced doesn't cost any money at all but is just bureaucratic and coordination. So what are these 5,5bn for? Does someone know?

>and counteract Russian pressure.

which is already executed by NATO, this is more of a counter weight to American influence.

good

only if Germans and Italians are barred from any high level decision making, their motivations are suspect.

20 years too late, but yeah, let's get this thing going ASAP.

If it's against the threat of Islamic terrorism and American imperialism, sure, but not if its to threaten Russia because of US propaganda of MUH EBIL COMMIE BOOGEYMAN

>Germans and Italians
Germans I can understand but Italians?

5.5 billion, that's a billion less than Mexico. About equal to Kuwait.

the 5.5bn is coordination money and money for EU ops abroad (e.g. Mali and Chad) and border security such as for Bulgaria and Greece and Spain.