EU Ministry of truth incoming. Official lies fear competition.
Press release: europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-17-4481_en.htm [..] First Vice-President Frans Timmermans said: "The freedom to receive and impart information and the pluralism of the media are enshrined in the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights. We live in an era where the flow of information and misinformation has become almost overwhelming. That is why we need to give our citizens the tools to identify fake news, improve trust online, and manage the information they receive.” Andrus Ansip,Vice-President for the Digital Single Market, added: "We need to find a balanced approach between the freedom of expression, media pluralism and a citizens' right to access diverse and reliable information. All the relevant players like online platforms or news media should play a part in the solution." Mariya Gabriel, Commissioner responsible for Digital Economy and Society, stated: "At the heart of my action lies the defence of citizens' right to quality information which is a cornerstone of our democracies. I want to have an open and broad discussion about fake news to address this complex phenomenon in order to overcome the challenges ahead of us." [..]
this is essentially a public survey so lets see if we can flood it (not like they'll pay attention to us but whatever).
Luke Anderson
Orwell was right
William Mitchell
> we need to [...] manage the information they receive. What do you think - is it even doable? This idiot Ansip is out former retarded PM, He knows jack shit about anything.
Isaac Baker
Always do/think opposite of what Moloch's spawns say.
Gabriel Lee
There is hint of global approach there too in survey so it is not only for EU IP-s
William Gray
can't wait for the justification to be "look how many people answered this question"
checked
Jose Murphy
I don't know, probably. Look at some of the algorithms we know google uses and what kind of crazy shit they accomplish. how would it look like I don't know. They probably don't know either. All I know is I don't like fucks in Brüssel deciding which information I'm allowed to receive.
Daniel Thompson
From survey: 4. In which media do you most commonly come across fake news? Select the most relevant options. And one answer to this is - Information shared by friends or family
In the future you only trust Ministry of Truth.
Logan Morris
But when I think step or two further I can see absolutely everything labelled as fake news during election debates.
Justin Ramirez
We'll need a ministry of love too for those fake news spreading family members.
Juan White
The EU was a huge fucking mistake
Isaiah Sullivan
Elite have been doing fake news for about a century or so. They're just salty we've started to do it.
Charles Perry
The main problem with "fake news" in EU is that command chain is too long and too retarded to react to memes adequately. And so the problem rises - there is TOO MUCH INFORMATION.
Elijah Reyes
This.
Joseph Ramirez
That's what often happened in totalitarian systems. Create a blurred term like Fake news and use your monopoly on its interpretation arbitrarily to silence or arrest opposition.
Owen Wilson
I wonder if the fake news suppressing mechanism were institutioned and worked flawlessly already when Blair, Buch lied about Iraqi WMD - would the filters havecaught it and it never made news?
Would Saddam still be alive? Would Gadaffi still be alive? Would "doctors and engineers" never make it to Germany?
Grayson Powell
We will have to burn down the EU parliament to the ground and beat the jew out of Europe.
AGAIN. UNDER EVEN HARDER CONDITIONS.
Thanks for nothing, Europe you fags, Including the kikening of my country.
Nicholas Williams
EU is already totalitarian imho.
Ian Hernandez
I voted against Estonia joining it in 2003. It was apparent that this monster is a mistake already then. But in 2004 Estonia joined anyway.
Grayson Myers
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Justin Baker
I refuse to believe Euros will just roll over and accept another USSR. There has to be significant resistance while it's still possible.
Nicholas Cook
Fuck off Ivan.
Logan Gray
Western Euros are retarded pussies as of now. They deserve everything what is coming to them.
Asher Cook
>post official EU propaganda and survey >get called Ivan HMM
Gavin Turner
There's nothing wrong with what they're doing. They're just pointing out your obvious bullshit, Ivan.
Protip: nobody cares about Clinton anymore. Shift your focus to some other bogeyman if you want to earn more roubles. I hear the price of vodka is rising in St. Petersburg.
Thomas Morales
Btw, this Ansip-guy there is our former PM. Was retarded bootlicker commie when Estonians started to go nationalistic and steer away from Soviet Union. So this Andrus Ansip was a commie functionaire then in Tartu and he is part responsible for Sovier power structures attacking youth demonstration there with police dogs.
Nothing surprises me in EU.
Christopher Jackson
So answer my guestions here
Carter Foster
At least for your country you could just call it Exit.
Brayden Anderson
We will have it in Estonian.
Robert Cook
*questions
Liam Hernandez
Pure whataboutism. This is the standard Russian deflection tactic and has been for decades.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism >Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument,[1][2][3] which is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda.[4][5][6]
If you're trying to be inconspicuous Ivan, you're doing a god-awful job of it.
Josiah Lewis
Nope, not whataboutism at all. Just answer how the fake news filtering "machine" should react to this kind of bullshitting I pointed out? Are some sources just more trustworthy (even if historically shown to be not so trustworthy)?
Is the government trying to have monopoly on lying? kek Get rekt with that.
Liam Baker
>comment thread about fake news and the ongoing Russian disinformation campaign >but what about iraq war derp >not whataboutism at all
Fuck off Ivan. Didn't even read past the first line.
Henry Barnes
>and the ongoing Russian disinformation campaign Where are the proofs?
Hudson Young
Just answer how the fake news filtering should react to some EU bigwing blatantly lying about "doctors and engineers" while in reality they are rapefugees?
Dominic Sanchez
You're a parody of yourself. I hope you get fired for the awful quality of your posts today. No more shitposting roubles for you.
William Lee
No it is not doable to censor the Internet itself but they could block 90% of sites easily or make it so a site has to have a permit to be show in X country.
David Collins
So basically EU wants to use same methods as China and Putin's Russia?
John Rivera
Why so mad, just answer my question here They did not thought it trough so well there in EU I think. And this whole action is just another try to escape inevitable.
Jose Edwards
No, I don't exist to respond to every whataboutist thought you can dream up - nor do I give the slightest shit about refugees. There's more to the EU than fucking refugees.
Go find some other hot button flavour of the month issue to annoy someone else with.
Sebastian Walker
So this EU Ministry of Truth is not about fighting fake news but about censure as I suspected?
Nicholas Hughes
what the fuck are you even talking about? are you just throwing all the buzzwords your superiors gave you this morning into a single post?
Brayden Gray
I have no supervisors. I am self employed and fight for my own interest. And censure conflicts with my interests. I lived 16+ years in environment of blatant censure in Soviet Estonia and it sucked.
Carson Wood
Censure means to strongly condemn. Get a better dictionary, Ivan.
>I am self employed and fight for my own interest. >And censure (sic) conflicts with my interests.
Because Russia is a bastion of press freedom and the EU is a totalitarian hellhole. Okay Ivan...
Mason Nelson
Putin Russia sucks, user. I never praised it as a bastion of (press) freedom. I can understand why it is so in Russia, multicultural hellhole as it is.
Camden Hernandez
can someone tell me again why europeans deserve to be saved? pathetic weaklings disgust me.
Luke Cruz
>Censure means to strongly condemn Censorship is better word, agreed.
So is fighting "fake news" basically censorship? Because some "fake news" come out as not fake. Labeling them fake was just someones opinion.
Kevin Barnes
You're a waste of scarce resources.
Landon Martinez
>So is fighting "fake news" basically censorship?
No. Pointing out that something is false is not the same as silencing the person that said it. If pointing out falsehoods is not allowed, how on earth is a democracy supposed to function?
Adam Rivera
>Pointing out that something is false Pointing out that something is false without proof is just an opinion.
Colton Roberts
but thats not how (((they))) "point out" something.
(((their))) solution is to ban the source, making it hard or impossible to access that information in the first place, or if that is not possible try to attack it on other ways by attacking the person who publicized that information. Thats the only choice they have when facts are against them.
Nolan Brown
>Pointing out that something is false without proof is just an opinion.
Nice strawman, but that's not what they're doing. If it's the same team at the EC that responds to false stories about the EU from British tabloid newspapers, they always provide sources to back their responses up.
At least you've moved on from claiming that pointing out bullshit makes you a censor I guess...
Cooper Gonzalez
>they always provide sources to back their responses up.
Ryder Lewis
Timmermans said: "That is why we need to give our citizens the tools to identify fake news, improve trust online, and manage the information they receive.”
>tools to identify fake news Someones words are not tools. Where are the proofs? Only proofs can make something fake.
>pointing out bullshit Just labeling something bullshit does not make it bullshit.
Answer pls to my question here
Jordan Wilson
>false stories about the EU So the rumors about EU Army were fake news?
Anthony Reed
>Online questionnaire about "fake news" is this a joke? I mean how reliable.... Remember to answer the survey to spread that delicious "fake news"
Lincoln Jackson
>how on earth is a democracy supposed to function? like it does now. Opinions and narratives is what drives democracy. Not some idiotic ideals of "truth" and facts. People seek the information and narratives they want. They have always done so and nothing will change that. Journalism is simply a profession that feeds on this. The very first form of click bait.
Landon Murphy
No, it is not a joke. There are retards loose in HQ.
Nolan White
>Someones words are not tools.
Words have figurative meanings too. In this case, he/she probably meant educating people on how to spot fake news/whataboutery - e.g. if an argument contains "where are the PROOFS?!?!?", you're probably dealing with a Putinbot troll farm employee.
Depends how you frame it. Before the Lisbon Treaty referendum here a few years back we were flooded with fake news about an EU army. There were posters saying that if we voted to ratify the Lisbon Treaty, there would be conscription into an EU army the next day. That was fake news.
Articles about the existence of proposals for increased EU military cooperation or an "EU army" are not per se.
Brayden Peterson
The reality is somewhere between my idealistic notions and your cynical ones.
Luke Wood
So the tabloid telling Brits about planned EU Army before Brexit was spreading fake news?
Grayson Sullivan
>they always provide sources to back their responses up >European Commission >back their responses up yeah with as much selective and spin as they fake news they fight. How can you be this naive?
its like the time they talked about "popularism in politics and democracy" as though it was something new. That is what democracy is. A popularity contest. Popularism = politics.
Lucas Brown
>he/she probably meant This is whataboutism, user
Proofs are vital in telling real from fake.
Angel Collins
>…you’re probably dealing with a Putinbot troll farm employee. Nice ad hominem you have there
Samuel Campbell
Cute. I am not a cynic just a basic realist. You are the idealist that thinks human nature can change on whim. We have been gossiping and told "fake news" for millions of years and that will not change with the invention of modern day communication technology. The only thing that have change is the range and reach of our audience and the fact that all our narratives and "my little politics" are logged and stored for future viewing.
Justin Torres
in the past they just called it racists or bashed them with the nazi club, but that doesn't work anymore since 2015 with the refugee crisis. This was the final nail in the coffin of the legacy media in Europe. Even the dumpest and most media loyal retards noticed that not only doctors, rocket scientists and craftsman were coming, but the media still were spewing this lies well a year into the crisis.
Joshua Russell
Nah, probably not. There's a difference between that kinda Fox News/Daily Mail stuff and outright fake news. That's more misleading/extremely biased/agenda-driven news.
I think "fake news" refers to all those phony news organisations popping up all over Facebook posting shit about pizzagate etc., targeting technologically illiterate stay-at-home mothers and elderly people in swing states.
Whataboutism is changing the subject to something completely irrelevant as a deflection tactic. I didn't change the subject, I inferred meaning from a post you quoted. I couldn't have stayed more on topic.
>yeah with as much selective and spin as they fake news they fight. How can you be this naive?
I actually found the blog since posting that. They don't provide sources (other than quoting legislation etc), they just issue one paragraph responses to specific stories. It's more like a comment or press release than a refutation.
Tá cumhacht deas agat, a hIvan.
Benjamin Watson
you also forgot the speed, narratives can be broken/destroyed within hours, before it took days or weeks, if there even was someone who dared to question it in the first place.
Also we now get videos which have much more "realistic" fell to it. 10 seconds of a video have more impact than 1000 words.
I get that you're not a native English speaker but those two things don't contradict each other. Inferring something often entails probabilistic assessments. I can't read their mind ffs.
Ryan Cooper
>Nah, probably not. But it was literally labeled fake news by Remainer camp and EU in the pre-Brexit debate. So who is spreading fake news here?
Cooper Bennett
>It's more like a comment or press release than a refutation. so they defend their narrative against attacks like anyone else. I have no problem with this. Just do not go around calling it "reliable" or "truth". Keep in mind that the European Commission is led by political animals who got their positions by being smarter, more cunning and adapt at driving their narrative than the completion.
Jordan Reed
>I can't read their mind ffs Ding! And this is the place where confirmation bias steps into room.
Jose Jones
*moment
Ryan Jones
>all those phony news organisations popping up all over Facebook posting shit about pizzagate etc., targeting technologically illiterate stay-at-home mothers and elderly people in swing states so just as the "news organisations" at the pub after drinking a bit too much? Or at family dinner? Gossip is what it is and you will never beat it. "dog bites man" will never win over "man bites dog". Whether it is true or not is not important to most people. Its the conversation about "how about that eh?" that drives this shit.
Levi King
>But it was literally labeled fake news by Remainer camp and EU in the pre-Brexit debate.
Remember that meme image you posted about Sup Forums not being a homogeneous entity? This applies to pro-EU Brits as much as any other group.
>So who is spreading fake news here?
The Russians, as a calculated and deliberate strategy.
Or Occam's Razor.
>Keep in mind that the European Commission is led by political animals who got their positions by being smarter, more cunning and adapt at driving their narrative than the completion.
That's a weirdly favourable assessment of the Commissioners from a europhobe. Most of them are there because they're too toxic/inept for politics at home - e.g. Oettinger and almost every Commissioner Ireland has ever sent to Brussels.
Dominic Evans
>Remember that meme image you posted about Sup Forums not being a homogeneous entity? This applies to pro-EU Brits as much as any other group. So you imply that not everyone in remainer camp were supporting the continuation of Britain EU membership? This is top mental gymnastics, user. Cool down, you are on fire.
Jose Martinez
>The Russians, as a calculated and deliberate strategy. Where are the proofs.
Nicholas Ramirez
>Pizzagate is fake news now How, where’s the proof >targeting technology illiterate stay-at-home mothers and elderly people in swing states Yet when the protests against pizzagate happened most of the people were young to middle aged men and women >Tá cumhacht deas agat, a hIvan Go raibh maith agat, Hillary
Nolan Robinson
Occams razor is no better than coin tossing.
Jonathan Harris
we will survive esti. We survived soviets and we survive this pederast union
Noah Cox
>finally free of USSR >join EUSSR get the same shit
Dominic Perez
>So you imply that not everyone in remainer camp were supporting the continuation of Britain EU membership?
Wtf? How the fuck did you arrive at that?
I implied that not every pro-EU Brit labelled the EU Army stories as fake news. How is this not blindingly obvious?
>So the tabloid telling Brits about planned EU Army before Brexit was spreading fake news? >Nah, probably not. >But it was literally labeled fake news by Remainer camp and EU in the pre-Brexit debate. >Remember that meme image you posted about Sup Forums not being a homogeneous entity? This applies to pro-EU Brits as much as any other group.
What the fuck else would I be talking about?
Matthew Ramirez
>How, where’s the proof
The onus is on you to prove it's real, not me to prove it's fake.
>Occams razor is no better than coin tossing.
At least google what it is before you make yourself look this retarded.
Julian Sanchez
>survive Soviet union tossed 300k of retarded slavs on us to fuck our demographic, EU is doing the same with various europeans and shitskins and niggers.
This union is liberast.
Christian Jones
>Most of them are there because they're too toxic/inept for politics at home sure but they still made it far enough to get to that. National politics is still considered more prestiges and the even bigger sharks roam there. The fight for national seats are just even more manipulative and deceitful. The only reason danish politicians are not super pro EU is the fact that they do not want to lose their power. They want and like to rule and thus they are quite defensive about giving up such a sweet deal. Its my saving grace. Its the reason Denmark is not just a part of greater Germany by now.
Aiden Jones
>I implied that not every pro-EU Brit labelled the EU Army stories as fake news. How is this not blindingly obvious? See - it is not.
>#notalmuslims tier Campaign labeled it fake afaik.
Luke Moore
>The onus is on you to prove it’s real, not me to prove it’s fake. >State something (pizzagate isn’t real) >I ask for proof >hurr hurr not my job to prove my statements that’s yours. Tu quoque, you stated it first and therefore must prove it to me that it is (((fake news))). I only asked reassurance on the claim. I don’t need to prove anything, only you
Brandon Wright
it was in the name you pathetic poorfag. U N I O N just face it your peoples lusts for gibs were stronger than their need for freedom. A shame that you are too small, weak and irrelevant to ever be allowed to leave while the EU remains this strong.
Eli Lopez
>At least google what it is before you make yourself look this retarded. In the scientific method, Occam's razor is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic or a scientific result; the preference for simplicity in the scientific method is based on the falsifiability criterion.
Andrew Gray
At least we always have a right to make it harder for them
Jordan Rodriguez
You're asking me to prove a negative - i.e. pizzagate isn't real - which is fallacious reasoning. You can't prove a negative. It has nothing to do with who stated what first.
You can, evidently, be this retarded.
John Sanchez
you joined knowing this in advance. Cant even use the excuse of "joined early so did not see the effects of the union". The fear of the Russian made you turn to another sugar daddy. I do not want to hear a single whine from you east fags.
Anthony Young
It's not irrefutable but it's useful as a diagnostic tool in the absence of 100% verifiable proof. It's a far cry from a 50/50 coin flip.
