Retired female animator of PA says she was collected 6k yen a month to use her desk

Retired female animator of PA says she was collected 6k yen a month to use her desk
and her salary was 67k yen a month.

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She had to pay to use her desk?

Why

thank you for letting us now

Yes.
A company created SHIROBAKO was KUROBAKO.

Kurobaka

>there's a Jap on Sup Forums

What are all those fees?
I can only read Bus something, I assume fare.

PROGRESSIVE ANIME WORKS

This is what happens when you don't have an union or it sucks.

That is really sickening.

Still it is better than you are your family starving to death at home.

More like Progressive Enslaving Works.

How many hours/week did she work?
I can't believe that's a full time worker's wage in a first world country.
Unskilled construction laborers earn more here.

Her salary was 106k yen. 67k after the expenses like
taxes 10029
bento price 7990
boarding expenses 15000
condo fees 3000
bus ticket 2500

So it's not so bad.

106 000 yen - that's your average salary in Poland.... well according to the financial minister.
Most people earn half of that.

>67k
It says there 106k.

67k after expenses.

Which means she was doing fine.

>retire
Dayum.

But you don't get to draw cute girls.

It all depends on the country/city really.

But it's pretty clear that the salary was enough since even with all her expenses she still has 70% of it. I still think animators should be paid more, but yeah.

>Amount Billed (Tax excluded) 98,230
>Consumption Tax 7,858
>Amount Billed (Tax included) 106,088
>Amount Deducted 38,519
>>Retention Tax 10,029; Lunch Costs 7,990; Dormitory Costs 15,000; Dormitory Common Costs 3,000; Bus Costs 2,500

>6k yen a month to use her desk
>She pays to work

Man Japanese are fucking retarded, I can't deal with their shit

100K yen every month is basically around CDN$8 to CDN$10 for us after taxes.

I thought Japan was supposed to be a 1st world country

>584,825696 Euro
Lmao

Did she mention how long her working hours were?

>106k yen
Even tuition for monbu scholarships' student is 120k yen/month, holy shit.

Was she a key animator or an inbetweener or what? I imagine there would be a pretty big difference in salary.

So 600 euro for saving/fun ? Yup that's pretty good if boarding include food.

>animator shill

It's 100,000 you nigger, not 1,000

She's inbetweener, animator is about 150-200k average.

>shill
What did he mean by this?

So that is why Shirobo is so good.
Animator poured their rage and frustation, sublimed it into art.

hey our dollar isn't that bad. dont bully.

here's the tweener invoice

oh fuck never mind. I meant $8 to $10 per hour every 2 weeks is roughly 100K yen.

Oh god, they literally work for free

No, only if you're still inbetweener after 3 years, PA Works will ask you 6k yen per month.
For comparison, Production IG will ask you 10k yen for that.

But it doesn't matter, because this basically they're telling you "leave the anime industry already when you still young".

how does this to compare to a job at 7-11 or something

Both are from same person though, she's inbetweener.

Most animators do have part-time jobs if they have time.

Still, I don't see why would anyone want to be an animator, it's a garbage job. Just study ANYTHING and get a job, even fixing PCs gets you more than that

So it's a fee for working with them for so long.

Doesnt seems that bad honestly.

67k a month, after living expenses, including housing, food and transport.

then again, paying for the working space seems pretty retarded.

We don't know how many hours she worked per day.

We don't know how good/dysmal were the living conditions for those expenses

We don't know if the "bento"expenses covered a meal every day or was just a one time charge.

Frankly we can't say shit about this

>15 hundred yen per month
That's "less than average allowance" tier

Fee for working so long but still don't have good enough skill to pass the animator test.

So Bahi was right all along. Things need to change.

>then again, paying for the working space seems pretty retarded.
About this, see
They only ask them for that if after 3 years they still can't become animator.

Yeah. I looked it up properly. It's their most profitable and least profitable months as an animator.

Key animator and an inbetweener are way different, and both pictures are from inbetweener.

>retired

So how many years experience are we talking here

Last time I saw a McDonald's part time recruiting ad in Tokyo, they're giving workers about 900-1000 Yen/hour plus transportation subsidy

And? Asking them to pay for a desk is still fucking stupid

>why would anyone want to do what they want to do

She's inbetweener(動画), animator(原画) normally can get 150-200k average.

No.
But she says she worked 40 consecutive days.

>no breaks even on Sundays
Harsh. I wonder if KyoAni staff face similar conditions when it's crunch time.

This.
Furthermore, she's not an employee, she's a freelance renting her workspace

>ぼくたちは！社員でもないのに会社に机をお借りして仕事を頂いている！

For the first 3 years they let you work there for free while giving you work on their shows, if you can't pass the genga test by them they start charging you 6,000 yen a month out of whatever you earn for use of the space.

Because they're simply ask you to leave the anime industry.
Inbetweener is a job that normally even Korean or Chinese can do well, recruit inbetweener in Japan simply means they want you have good enough to become animator as soon as possible, if that person takes long time and still can't have good enough skill, that means he/she just wasting their time.

>67k yen/month
>eating bento food from konbini
TOP LEL
You can't even pay for a single LDK 15m^2 apartment in tokyo with that. When I was working in Tokyo, an apartment cost like 100k yen to rent and my salary was about 600k. Train ride was about 120yen 1-way, so I decided to bike to work.
Unless these guys make money off selling doujin at comiket as one of those wall circle, I really don't see how passion can keep them going.

>no balls to say you dont have the skill for animator
>be considerate/passive aggresive ask them to pay 6k to use desk while trying
>person either went into an animator or go something else/retire
Not sure if considerate. Where is the original article? I want to use my google translate skills.

Should have become a seiyuu instead.

>genga test
What's that?

Are you stupid? Living expenses are included in her check and provided by the company.

Nope. Ishidate even said he was told to leave when he wanted to work on sunday for Nichijou. But he's a board of directors member so I don't know about their average animator.

otakomu.jp/archives/447258.html

Yamada never worked OT in her life

And this is why PA will never be in the same tier as GodAni.

Nice third world salaries. Jumping in front of a train doesn't seem like a bad idea after all.

Going by the thread, I'm assuming that's the test to become an actual animator.

But she had to pay to use the desk I say as I imply that is where she was living

Key animator test. If you pass they start letting you do key animation work. Most serious studios do this. Some people will pass it in less than 6 months.
If you want to do key but not put the effort to get better, you can go to any number of subcontract studios that will let you start straight as key.

While Kyoani is pretty good at this, they also facing same problem like many other studios.

Why didn't she just draw on the floor?

See

What does it say?

Translate or fuck off, stop bragging about knowing japanese fag

Thanks man, google translate just made it worse.

The only reason she is not going into the negative is by eating half price bento food after 7pm.
Also god know where is staying. I am not sure where PA works office is but if it is anywhere near the nakano area that was in Shirobako, to get a place for 15k/month I am sure she is commuting at least 2hours a day to work.

Frodo, please.

Go fuck yourself, piece of shit.

Blue is revenue, orange is profits

Think profits is down last year cause they invested in building a new studio

labor of love or masochist

It's not like there aren't cheaper alternatives if 6000/month for a fancy desk sounds like too much.

Dem Chuuni and Free money.

Read the thread

If she's at the PA Works head office then she should be living around Toyama which isn't in Tokyo.

>Ben-To with half-dead animators instead of high-schoolers
I'd watch it.

Those are some slim profit margins, I hope that's already the net profit. How do they even afford to invest back into the company like that?

>バス定期
>2500
安っ！

She sure is butthurt.

They have Koe no Katachi for 2016.
Literally the only studio saving anime considering how the rest of the industry treat their staff.

ってか明細に机代は入ってねぇじゃん

I see, so inbetweener is basically the entry level or apprentice's job?

Do you need any education to become an inbetweener or can you start doing that straight out of middle school?

How does your conscience allow you to consume entertainment produced by slaves, Sup Forums?

Why do KyoAni fags need to come into every thread with their garbage?

Can't you stop for a fucking minute with your garbage baits?

How are you able to use any Chinese made product then?

You're posting from a computer assembled by slaves.

I drive my car with blood oil. Watching slave made anime isn't that hard.

Should be net profits yeah. They had to buy the plot and construct the new studio

You don't need a degree to prove that you can draw. See New Game.

Income tax
Lunch
Housing
Housing utilities
Bus fare