I often hear people talk about how our school system is terrible and just fucked, but no one ever seems to say what...

I often hear people talk about how our school system is terrible and just fucked, but no one ever seems to say what, specifically, is so bad about it.
And no one ever seems to provide any ways to fix it.

Whats wrong with the America's education system?

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>no one seems to say why

I think thats part of the problem. Dig around common core to see what its trying to accomplish. There's no aim, little substantiation for the curriculum it does push, and its eroding standards. The books that are recommended for English have nothing to do with classic literature or western values and history, but are a buffet of new age SJW novels.

That plus poor funding, incentives for failed women to become teachers and guide the next generation's youth, with the singular goal of getting college enrollment. Perhaps there's even a bonus for schools if they have high college matriculant rates, because they push hard for it despite inadequately preparing them.

What's wrong with most educational systems is that they operate on the notion of statistics and egalitarianism. If you're smarter than the average then you're going to waste your potential and if you're dumber than the average you're going to have a hard time. Standard deviation is also taken into account, which is why schools for the gifted and the retarded exist. The problem is that if you're not the average, the retarded or the gifted (which means most cases) the system fucks you over in some way.

And don't even get me started on female/male or white/black mixed environments. That's just a fucking disaster on its own.

>Whats wrong with the America's education system?
too many blacks. They can't meet the standards

>Side chick to a loyal nigga

This is why blacks in America will continue to struggle socially...

If you have a side chick you can't be a loyal nigga

I’m a high school English teacher and this user is correct. They make the whole system look bad

i work in an inner city hospital. The baby daddy meme is soul crushingly real, and they don't seem to mind one bit. They'll struggle, but only everyone outside of their bubble will understand that. Its fucking sad

thank you, sherlock

they're a small number of schools, and while they bring down the whole average, even the middle class white schools are fairly shitty.

GOP representatives refuse to properly fund public schools so rich assholes and corporations can profit instead.

School system is passed its use-by date.
We need to move onto a fully-digital education system that runs over the internet. The biggest setback however, is there's still many countries with garbage internet and many people who still have very limited data caps.

if the countries aren't white developed then it doesn't matter. but i like the idea.

Socializing kids in a school is a fucking horrible idea. You'd be better off teaching them in a home on a computer, putting all that autism to good use, then taking them to the social center to let them run around and kick each other for the last half of the day.

what...

-keeping an exploitable mainstream
-end of civilization politics (left-right wars(?))
-complacency
?

i went thru public school, its garbage. i hope it gets abolished. its inherently flawed.

the effects of no child left behind and the new 'common core' have completely destroyed any benefit it may have once offered offered.

its now all about teaching to the lowest common denominator. test scores are down. graduation rates are down. standards are down. everything is down.

they focused too much on rote memorization and drag out some topics way too much while completing glossing over others. i remember reading through my whole history and science textbooks within days and then being forced to review the material over a whole, excruciatingly slow school year each and every year.

they try to get you to memorize what amounts to trivia: state capitols, dates of 'important' events, and a lot of questions about the FotM selected literature(propaganda)


i was put in gifted ed in first grade and dropped out at 16 to go to college early.

do not send your kids to public schools.

unsupervised internet access is better education.

Success in school is based on repetition and memorization. When I was young I remember story-problems; they're essays that present various real-world examples where in-class knowledge can be applied. Everyone always struggled with them, and as time went on I saw fewer and fewer tests that included them. In an age where test results determine funding and other things, as a teacher or district you're better off presenting your students with familiar formats where the chance they recite what they've "learned" is higher; higher than more challenging avenues that may reflect their true status more accurately.
Another factor is that these days special-ed has fallen out of fashion. This doesn't really impact special-ed kids much, but it does affect the rest of the class that gets robbed of 80% of the teacher's attention. Parents of developmentally challenged kids are more interested in fighting off the label that addressing the problems, and these days the cries of the few outweigh the needs of the many. In a class of 35 glade schoolers, there will be 2-4 students who can barely speak english, and another 2-4 who are disabled or have behavioral problems.
We've had a generation or two of these trends. Today my local community college is booming. New buildings left and right. The percentage of students who graduate with a 2 year degree or transfer to a 4 year school is in the teens (13-18%). Of those, less than 1/4 will find work in their field of choice. Most students change majors multiple times, spent 3+ years of their lives, incur $20k+ of debt, and fail. That's literally the norm. Yet all you'll ever see is "people with college educations make more than people without", as if the degree is what did it. The truth is that you could have taken the people that "make more" and prevented them from ever going to college, then FORCED the rest to go until they all had degrees... in a decade the superior minds would eclipse the gifted degree holders, guaranteed.

>Most students change majors multiple times, spent 3+ years of their lives, incur $20k+ of debt, and fail. That's literally the norm. Yet all you'll ever see is "people with college educations make more than people without", as if the degree is what did it.


If I'm to take your flag as indication of your location, I'm in the SW to your SE. That quote above is the most maddening thing. Its one of those stats held up as a universal indicator to justify continued bad decision making and a one size fits all goal, but it doesn't include any of the downside for failure. Its held up as an unquestioningly moral good, and its ruining people's live and futures.

We test everybody whereas germany and france and them all conveniently shift all of their less bright (read: brown) students into trade schools before the tests those studies refer to happen.
Basically we have a one size fits all thing where everybody is encouraged to go to college while in germany you could be on track to be an HVAC repairman by age 14.
I think that's better, although I'm in STEM grad school now and would definitely have tested poorly as a tween so who knows.

the gymnasium is an excellent model, I would think

This youtube.com/watch?v=8xe6nLVXEC0

Edfag here
>Whats wrong with the America's education system?

Poor metrics. Political fuckheads who prevent the right questions from being asked. A public that doesn't understand how the fuck education works, and doesn't demand that spending get to the right places.

Mission creep to function as a general welfare program, partial substitute parent, and political indoctrination. All these objectives conflict with the core goal of educating students.

It actually is possible to create an education program optimized for black people. Unfortuntately it more or less operates on the assumption that the parents are complete fuckups and compensates as much as it can, and it's expensive, so it's not likely to fly.


Lets take baltimore.

13 high schools, that's about a third of the high school system had ZERO students who are proficient at the grade level. And nobody fucking knows why or has a solution, other than say a Sup Forums style final solution.

komonews.com/news/videos/13-baltimore-city-high-schools-zero-students-proficient-in-math

Or shit like common core, where they spent fucking billions of dollars on a curriculum, but didn't prove that it works before they rolled it out nationwide.

>"even the middle class white schools are fairly shitty"
>actually believing this

Yeah I think by and large it works better. Lot of friends from HS should probably have gone HVAC or electrician or welder or something and instead are getting a BS in social studies and complaining about a lack of jobs.
It's like dude- you have no connections in the business world. You know how to put together a sentence, basically. You're in debt from partying for four years.

Should've just partied only on weekends and worked during the week.

>Loyal with a side chick
Wot?

Throwing more money at the school system will not improve it. Our education system is "broken" but we still spend way more than other countries per student. School does teach some valuable things, but it is important to do the extra in your free time. A little bit of financial and investing knowledge goes a LONG way when you're young. Not everybody is going to end up a Bill Gates, but everybody has the capability to carve out a decent living in America if they:
1. Graduate high School or get a GED
2. Don't have a kid until they are at least 23, probably more like 27 for maximum effect
3. Avoid making consistently stupid purchases. 100 USD put into a conservative portfolio will double every 7-10 years.

Also, this is how the Left thinks about the education system.
>Wants to spend 2000 dollars on new textbooks for students
> Hires Assistant whateverthefuck for 70k/year to decide which textbook.
> Hires Material Specialist for 20k to teach the info to the teachers.
> Hires language translator for 60k/year to translate the book for the one foreign kid.
> "We need more money, damn Republicans"

while they're leaps and bounds better than inner city schools, having come from one myself I can tell you they were essentially common core, before common core, and prone to bush's no child left behind bullshit with a pizzazz of SJW nonsense to make a completely incoherent curriculum that focused on memorization and college catapulting.

maybe you accept that its fine and normal to leave high school with hardly a single grasp on proper preparation for the real world.

>as if the degree is what did it
From what I've seen, you can succeed with any major given you have some sort of drive for what you're doing. Combining the drive and the degree is the reason why degree'd people appear to make so much, but nobody ever mentions the self-motivation you need in the first place

see
>Mission creep to function as a general welfare program, partial substitute parent, and political indoctrination. All these objectives conflict with the core goal of educating students.

those suburban single moms need a day-care, but don't want to feel bad about sending them to a traditional school

so I'm preparing to be a middle school teacher. I'll get the certification to teach 4th through 8th grade

What can I do to help the education institution?

this bitch wants to be the second wife in a harem.

All those liberal anthropologists who jerk it off to bonobos need to accept that we come from apes closer to motherfucking gorillas.

Women are supposed to be submissive and either pair up with a man or marry a man with more than one wife.

Cheating is a massive part of nigger culture.
It's all incentives. Why couple up and raise a child? Marriage is of course for emotional stability (to accomplish emotionally difficult things), domestic stability (Divide and conquer tasks like home chores and breadwinning), and raising children (show them to trust in relationships and to each provide influence, hopefully leading to balance)

Except for
>Accomplish emotionally difficult things
well. I mean there's some black CEOs and doctors and lawyers, but I bet all were raised away from other nigs.
>Domestic stability
not valued in their culture, also who needs breadwinning when you can easily get on the dole (either by social security or prison)
>Raise children
hahahahaha

That's theory. In practice, a lot of nogs who go to trade schools don't come out with useful skills because they're too dumb. Then they go to university (thanks to leftist retards anyone can go to any university, there are no conditions) and fail miserably but they don't care because they get student welfare.
Our system could actually work if the standards were better and if there was a selection before university

infinite IQ

Has anyone ever factored out blacks and Hispanics and looked at high school intelligence, I'd guess we'd be top 5

Also since they're constantly competing with each other they try to fuck each others wives- it's a dominance thing to them. It's why they're so obsessed with "fuckin yo girl" in rap songs and shit.
There's no emotional gravity to that beyond simple win/lose, to them it's not a massive betrayal of deep trust and destruction of a family unit, it's more on par with winning a basketball game or something.

Damn, didn't know this thanks for sharing.

Surrounded by animalistic children messing with you and the teacher
incompetent teachers that in some cases don't even attempt to teach

I would have liked it to be all computerised, like modern coding websites are.
Were you have a list of all lessons, and shows you which are completed and you can go to future ones when you want. and it walks you through the lesson so you aren't at the whim of how good your teacher is and you can also do them at home

ive tried often but strangely have not found any data stratifying that. Surprise surprise, but I would assume you're right. You could probably do it by proxy: find schools in 90% brown areas, compare their scores to poor whites. I think even SAT/ACT by ethnicity and SES could get you that.

oh and shit loads of wasted time
like if i'm behind in maths should i really be doing art (which is bullshit and teaches you nothing about art) or should i be doing some catch up maths class

Khan Academy. Better than 90% of the teachers I had for STEM style courses and takes out the factor of herd dynamics.

you can learn more in a week on one of those websites than a year of a university comp sci course

>3804 Students took the test
>14 were proficient in math

Jesus christ

Democrat representatives create unfunded social engineering mandates and divert school resources into asnine social welfare programs. And that's assuming the shit isn't being diverted into graft.

Here's an NPR story, so no bitching about a right wing bias.

npr.org/sections/ed/2016/04/25/468157856/can-more-money-fix-americas-schools

Of particular note: The infamous Camden NJ experiment where they equalized money, and got no actual results out of it.

First, don't do anything that gets your ass fired.

Second. Figure out where you need to be long term. Tenured? In administration? In a school with lots of diverstity? And by diversity, I may mean 3 different asian populations nearby and very few black people?

Third. Recognize that you will probably have no ability to unfuck whatever is wrong with your school board, local union, principals, or parent groups.

Fourth. Nobody at certain levels will give a fuck about anything you have to say unless you have a PHD. Which is far easier to get than it should be.

Fifth. If you're staying in the classrom, let the institution mostly be and do the best for your students.

Is there a particular approach you're trying to take?

For math, you don't even need to factor out hispanics. They only really fuck up the english scores.

too decentralized
local school boards are full of idiots
also you know (who)

OP’s pic makes no sense. The woman is talking about being a side chick to a purportedly “loyal” man. If she’s on the side, he’s certainly not loyal. Why do people say stupid shit like that? Are their logic and reasoning skills really that fucked up?

the problem is the notion public education. it attracts pedophiles and con-artists, and turns out idiots who can't do algebra but have read 50 emotionally charged books on the holocaust.

pay for your own damn kids' educations... yet another waste of tax dollars.

that's literally the joke.

>but no one ever seems to say what, specifically, is so bad about it.
usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/11/14/rancho-tehama-california-mass-killing/863246001/

i can't imagine what's so bad about it.

The younger the better. Teach/ make them learn how to learn, school nowadays is just memorization and how to pass a test or how answer the given questions. There's no emphasis on actually making sure students understand what they learn. If you can teach math do that and try to somehow slip more advanced stuff in there, like extra credit.

Here are some problems
-tracking, not all students get the same level of education. I didn't take any college prep courses in highschool and had to spend a year taking math courses in college just to get to calculus.
-its boring, the human brain is not wired to sit at a desk and listen to someone talk all day
-most of the teachers I had were not passionate about teaching, they were just doing a job
-It doesn't teach real life skills, I took a drivers ed course, and we never actually drove a car, I took a physics class with no lab component, etc.
-massive levels of brainwashing, not just the pledge of allegiance, when I was in school they had this thing where they would randomly turn the lights off and if you did not immediately stop everything you were doing, talking, eating, working, etc. you were punished.

I dated a girl who only ever loved her ex. She was the side chick to a guy who suddenly dumped her and married someone else.

She had invested 12 years in this guy and still loved him 100%. Said she would continue dating me, but I had to accept him as her first choice if he ever was available again.

I walked away.

Being a side chick ruins a girl. She'll never ever want a guy all to herself. She gets off on the sharing.

It's not a well-known problem outside France but it's a pretty big one.
As an example, take my university. It's a pretty solid one (pic related is Shanghai ranking for mathematics, my uni is the highlighted one), it's arguably the best scientific university in France.
Even though it's a very good university, literally every French student can join if they have any highschool diploma. As a result, the first and second year courses are overcrowded and the success rate is very low (~20 %). Most good students don't want to go through this shit and choose to go to preparatory classes (alternate higher education system in france to go to engineering schools). So you have a situation were the best universities struggle to attract good students, and most of the Phd students didn't do their licence/master in the university.

I mean it's like the educational equivalent of a truck of peace running over a thousand people, and nobody has a fucking clue why, or what to do about it in the future. And for the fuckhead that think's it's just about funding, this is AFTER the Obama administration lavished loads and loads of grants on the system.

Decentralized isn't a problem. Having out of touch dipshits at the federal level is no better than having them locally. The US is so huge that it's reasonable for us to have more than one style of education. The problems that Camden have are different than the ones Laredo does, and any plan for either of those two places will be terrible for white middle america or asian tiger families.

>Tracking
I took a pre-calc course my senior year of highschool, and had calc 1 my first year of college. Nothing I learned in my schools version of "pre-calculus", was used.

Jews run it

>pic
Wouldn't a loyal nog make you end up being the main chick thus making him the cheater ?

They tried this in New Jersey in the late 90s/early 00s, and gave poor performing schools as much (or possibly more, I can't remember) as the best funded schools in the state.

Didn't make a difference. The problem is the students, not the amount they spend on them. You can argue about why exactly that is, but it's for sure not solely a matter of funding.

>tfw the high school I went to isn't on that list
Feels good man. Though it's not saying much, since all the math teachers we had were Korean women and we couldn't understand anything they were trying to tell us. Maybe they hired some actual American teachers since I graduated though.

It doesn't teach you anything relevant is the problem. From all my years of school, I learned high school and college offer nothing of value. Kinder to 8th grade taught you how to function in the world. History, Math used in everyday situations, Spelling, Basic Science, etc. What do you learn in High School, same shit, but the difference is none of it is relevant to an average person. Explain how knowing the Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell will teach you to pay taxes, or how the Pythagorean Theorem will help you know what to do in a car accident. They don't, and you will never use them.

School isn't educating anyone, it's making you go through hoops as long as (((they))) can force you to go so you spend more. I gurantee you if it was possible, colleges would make doctorates mandatory. Not to teach you, but to steal your money. I majored in HR and make more than enough to pay for a house, car, etc. by myself (pro tip, a major isn't the only field you can work in wagecucks). Tell me right now the relevancy of knowing about bonds or how very advanced accounting will help me in the field of HR. Your only answer is payroll, but guess what, 90% of the shit taught isn't ever gonna be used in payroll and people who have degrees don't work in payroll these days, thats for grunts. That's really all school is though, throw useless info at you so they can absorb as much money as possible. Thankfully, I didn't pay a dime for the time I was there.

TLDR: School is a business of taking money from people and making them robotic emotionless employees, not education or how to thrive in the real world.

As far as American schools are concerned history didn't exist before the civil war, also something something dinosaurs.

Modern students have no context of history as a whole, hence all of the 'white imperalism' horseshit and Harry Potter references.

>go to public school system for 9 years
>learn little of any value and still be unemployable for anything but the most menial tasks after it

wooow such a good use of time.

tpbp

The real question is whether the college degree has a significant effect after controlling for IQ. I'd wager there's *some* effect, because employers are for sure more likely to hire someone with a degree than nothing, but I've got a pretty strong suspicion that the majority of the "college premium" is just the independent effect of IQ on earnings.

Generally the people that push for more college enrollment don't believe in IQ in the first place, so they're unlikely to want to do the research.

I have a reason

Teachers aren’t actually teaching that good and inflating everyone’s grades. They’re dropping test, letting kids turn in complete bulshit fkr homework 2 months late, and they’re still passing with flying colors. That’s why every liberal you argue with seems to have a 4.0 gpa. They don’t deserve it though

I left high school thinking I could get into an Ivy League school because of my average. It turns out I’m not very smart at all

This video is retarded because all of the things that he mentions in the video like learning how to do taxes and finances in general can all be easily learned on the internet.

>even the middle class white schools are fairly shitty
Not sure what you're basing this on. I work with dozens of urban and suburban school groups during the year. While most of the replies in this thread address the well-known problem in urban schools, suburban schools are full of self-entitled fucks that do not seem motivated to learn because the grade situation comes pretty easily. It's almost like the opposite problem, but a problem nonetheless. With suburban school groups, the parents are just as bad (self-entitled shits) and don't reinforce decent behavior. So it's not really a problem with the schools as it is with the self-absorbed culture of parents and children.

>amerimutt defending his shitty teaching system

>Whats wrong with the America's education system?
It's full of shitskins.

>amren.com/news/2016/08/a-white-teacher-speaks-out/

>image
>the brain processing level of niggers

There are niggers making part of it. End of the thread, you're welcome op.

Children don't get seperated into different schools depending on their abilities and intelligent pupils are held back by idiots.

follow interracial couples home and kill them in thier sleep, problem solved. (in theory)

>mfw family was furious with me when I said i want my son to be homeschooled

Well...teachers are fucking the students.

No one mentioned the significant decrease in male teachers?

the problem is that some kids are just too dumb to learn, but the system isn't allowed to let them fail. you have kids who can't learn or refuse to learn, and teachers have no way to deal with them so they just sit there disrputing class for everyone else. then the only options are to hold them back and deal with it for another year plus their mommy complaining why aren't you doing enough for little trayvon, or passing them along even though they didn't actually learn shit. on top of this you have parents with zero investment in their children's education who basically expect the school to do everything and be a 12 year long babysitter.

holy shit I cant even imagine what must be going through her brain for her to do something like this

I thought they were joking about this board being unironically autistic.

This guy gets it. Well, it's that and the Prussian model. It's a big wasteful piece of shit basically.

Nothing really. You learn everything you need to know to get through life. Shit kids are the problem

If i had to choose one criticism I'd say it's redundancy, English and history are pretty much the same class after a few years

I know that the education system is severely flawed, all I'm saying is that the points brought up in the video are a bit irrelevant. Like I said before, he mentions that financing isn't taught in public schools. I think that's a bit of a moot point since there is so much information out there already on the internet (personally my high school had a few finance classes).

>Finances
Classes in school if you are lucky and internet resources.
>How to get a job
This varies from job to job and I'm not sure how you would teach this, would be interesting.
>Never taught how to vote
Has this cumstain never had a civics class or used the fucking internet?
>Not taught how to take care of health
W-What about health class/the internet/personal trainers/your dad if he isn't a pussy
>Never spent a lesson on current events
That is what the news and history classes are for. Get informed about whats going on through news you can trust then compare it to similar shit in history.
>More financial autism
>Rehearsing cursive
Do foreignfags actually say rehearsing cursive? This point it irrelevant since it isn't required to write in cursive in most schools.
>Basic first aid
Again health class teaches that somewhat.
>You won't have a calculator with you everyday hurr durr
This guy is actually defending being a retard who can't into mental math.
>They don't teach parenting advice hurr durr
That would be pretty irrelevant to middle and high school kids since they would probably change as people significantly by the time they have children.
>Language
Yeah our language system sucks I will admit that.
>Mentions not knowing how to vote and not knowing who to vote for
CIVICS CLASS.

This guy does point out how irrelevant some of the information we learn in school is, but overall I say it doesn't fucking matter. We live in the informaton and communication age. What should be taught in public schools in comprehension and critical thinking skills.

this
I remember learning about the same shit in every course from 6th to 10th grade
>American Revolution, Civil War and the World Wars
>All the shit about cells and its parts
>How to get away with not reading the book assignment

It always felt really redundant and it wasn't until junior year when I took chem and sex ed did it feel like I was learning anything different.

the nigger students are a pretty bad part

They teach you how to remember something until you fill in a bubble. They need to teach people how to be sufficient autodidacts.
Also what said
>Kinder to 8th grade taught you how to function in the world. History, Math used in everyday situations, Spelling, Basic Science, etc. What do you learn in High School, same shit, but the difference is none of it is relevant to an average person.
A lot of education is redundant. Replacing some of the later classes with life skills classes would be nice.

>Shart on bus
I thought you guys only did that at wallmart?

Holy shit, user. Are you serious or in desperate need of a (you)? I've been in education for 20 years and the bar is currently set low enough for a literal retard to pass and it's moved lower every year. I have a kid in college who's homework is what a middle school assignment would have been 30 years ago. We're fucked.

It's all memorization.

The students are presented with a bunch of factoids, they take a test that affirms that they know the factoids, and then they forget what they "learned" a month later. It's likely part of the reason why most of the curriculum past elementary school is riddled with redundancy.

It's too difficult to get children who are unwilling to learn to ask "why" or "how" of their own accord. It's far easier to get them to respond in a specific way to a specific question and reward them for "knowing" the specific answer than it is to get them to understand Why the answer they have provided is the Answer to the question.

As previously mentioned, if you aren't dead center of average, you begin to notice the cracks. It's really disheartening to get high marks on an essay while the other students get similar marks for turning in essays in broken english that are only tangentially related to the topic at hand. I can almost guarantee if I had turned in an essay of similar aptitude my score would be way lower than one of students who can barely speak english.

And supposing you decide to continue to perform to the best of your abilities your peers constantly hound you for "breaking the curve".

The worst feeling as a student is being a student who genuinely wants to learn and wants to answer all the questions and is hungry for knowledge, but being told you raise your hand too much and answers questions too often and you should give your other classmates a chance to answer. So you sit there quietly waiting for someone to raise their hand an answer, but no one does because no one actually knows and the lesson comes to a grinding halt because the teacher doesn't want to move on until their question is answered.

One of the most jarring experiences I've had was being in a college course where the instructor asked the students to read passages from the text we were using aloud and watching them pause to sound out words that were longer than 3 syllables.

Students think it's cool to gang bang and not give a fuck

>13 high schools, that's about a third of the high school system had ZERO students who are proficient at the grade level. And nobody fucking knows why or has a solution, other than say a Sup Forums style final solution.

Black culture is why and anyone apart of it is destined to be a strain on society unless they get a record deal or become professional athletes at which point they have a platform to influence their inferior culture on impressionable children. No personal responsibility, victim complex, overcompensating masculinity, predisposition to violence, sexual promiscuity.

It is why every time you see a successful black person that didn't win the ghetto lottery, you see someone with a background similar to an average white/asian person.

we need to stop being individualists and create a system that works best for them. black schools with black teachers who know them rather than integration.

the best solution is to stop being colorblind and actually tailor schools that will work for them.

My dad taught college intro to physics and astronomy class.

The students who were most frightened of math, logic, and learning usually chose to be education majors. He watched this trend for 15 years. These are the people that go on to be school teachers instead of working a competent job in business or industry.

Let that sink in.

I get criticized heavily if I ever bring up this anecdote.

Richard Feynman lamented this, and noted the trend was even worse in China at the time.
I wonder if this accounts for the chink propensity to steal and copy technology instead of create it?

there is data, look at PISA scores by race. white americans score above most of europe in fact. the only possible confounding factor in this is that the scores for white students, *i think* come from Massachusetts, which isn't representative of white america as a whole. however im not completely sure of this, i tried to find more specific data on whether or not the PISA scores for whites are the nationwide white average, or just the massachusetts average, but w/e. as you said SAT scores also reveal plenty.

So whats your solution to this problem? Not have people go into education?

I'm going into education because I want to teach. I don't like being the stereotype of all education majors are complete idiots.

trigonometric functions, vectors, *sometimes* matrices, intervals, etc. are helpful to learn in pre-calc. its not vital though, i tihnk if you're bright, you'll pick it up as you go along regardless of having taking pre-calc or not

Department of education and teachers union.
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The solution to the problem would be probably something similar to a Montessori-style Education where the level of the curriculum is adjusted accordingly to aptitude of each specific pupil.

Unfortunately, that's incredibly unrealistic so the only other option would be homeschooling, but that also assumes that the parents themselves are learned and that they would be able to dedicate a large amount of time to the development of their child.

Another solution could be the stratification of students based on IQ, but apparently that's racist.

Easy.

Remove Social Promotion. When you start creating a culture of accountability instead of learned helplessness, people will rise to meet the challenge.

The only problem is having a bunch of 20 year old idiots still in 7th grade preying on kids.

common core

also in all honesty the system is based on false premises to begin with. really, women should not even be in school for as long as they are. if you're an average to dim young girl, quite frankly, you'll never really learn anything that you'll have to apply anyway because your job will likely never require anything mentally difficult or demanding. if you're a bright young girl, well you can be useful to society, but at the same time, you're expected to stay in school for long periods of time, during which, you may or may not find a husband. ideally smart women would be sorted into a accelerated program that lets the save precious valuable fertile years.