Kratom

What’s Sup Forums think about kratom? Should it be legal in countries like America?

Make it legal everywhere so more morons can kill themselves.

I don't even know what it is.

Its already legal

What's kratom?

explain

the only people who want to make it illegal are fags involved with opiate industry

kratom is for teenfags who can't score good dope

The only reason politicians care so much about protecting idiots from themselves is because they depend on those idiots for votes.

Any politician who doesn't think you have the ability to make wise decisions for yourself just sees you as a sheep.

A country where guns, concentrated sulfuric acid, nitrocellulose, natural gas, cars, jawbreakers, sunlight, air, water, open flames, and Vick's medicated chest rub are illegal has no business banning drugs.

Absolutely should be kept legal. It's pretty damn harmless and many find it helpful. It's not worth worrying about people who manage to develop some kind of problem with it because they'd develop some other kind of problem with something else instead.

Why do so many people on Sup Forums do drugs? What's wrong with you?

I used to take it every day but it makes you piss constantly and was making my hair fall out. It isn't good to be reliant on something like that anyways. If you want a mood stabilizer try a vitamin supplement like 5-htp.

Literally the opposite. Adults need to be functional for their jobs.

The DEA wants to temporarily ban kratom until they can place kratom in a schedule category defined by the controlled substance act.

>illegal
LEGAL, derp

FUCK KRATOM! I fucking tried this shit, I had to take a shit ton for anything to happen and it just made it so I was tired but couldn't sleep. It's also DISGUSTING! The only way I would even consider taking it again would be as an extract pill. That said, it's effect is not much stronger than caffeine, but it was a downer for me, the strain that I took. It should be legal.

It's fucking degenerate, you're not white if you use mind-altering substances.

>Why do so many people on Sup Forums do drugs?

They are dumb.

Bhis.

I think oxycodone was making my hair fall out, I am almost sure of it. Quit few weeks ago, too soon to say for sure but it seems to have stopped.

Kratom has potential to tremendously help the opiate epidemic is American. Aside from that it's a good herb with many benifits and few drawbacks

*cant od on it
*alleviates withdrawal symptoms
*reduces opiate cravings
*more antioxidants then green tea
*reduces anxiety
*cheaper then anything pharmas got

It's a threat to big pharma the Jews want to demonize it so they can keep making money off painkillers, benzodiazepines, and anti depressants

5-HTP makes me nutty. Usually wind up binge drinking or something within a week.

That being said I haven't found kratom to be interesting in the past although I have nothing better to do with what I have left of it but to give it another shot to see what it does. According to my past curiosity, the easy mistake to make is to think you can get it up to a recreational dose without consequence. But it seems unless you're using it for pain or opiate withdrawal or whatever, it's not realistically going to be much more potent than, say, melatonin to get to sleep, or a cup of coffee to get jumpstarted in the morning.

The only people who are for drugs are degenerate druggies. Really makes me think, guess I should trust the words of wisdom coming from a junkie. Drugs are soy-tier and amount to literal bluepills.

unironically this desu

Anyone know if kratom can get stale? I got a couple bags sitting in a drawer for a year.

Thinking all people who use drugs are druggies and degrerate is laughable many successful people use drugs to expand there minds and dull the pain of tragedy and hard times. Straight edge life works for some not gonna bash someone for no using but drugs aren't the problem.

Whatever happened to Personal responsibility. If someone's a scum bag degenerate and they use drugs. The drugs are not why they are a scum bag.

drugs don't make people bad

Not if you use suppositories, let that shit absorb into your boipussy.

that shit made me feel like shit, 1\8

>degenerate druggies
Hear, hear!

Drugs force men to push beyond their limits.
Oh what? You're stuck on a 16-8 hour wake-sleep schedule?
NOT ANYMORE U FAG. DO METH/A-PHP AND STAY UP FOR A WEEK STRAIGHT, MEETING GOD AND SATAN AND EVERY ANGEL AND DEVIL YOU CAN IMAGINE.

Then get some eats and sleeps, do some LSD, and fuck reality up the ass and in her whore mouth for 8 hours.

I heard it's like having to take a ton of it to feel like you took half a 5mg perc. Is that true

This, I take it everyday for five years now. Was a degenerate pill head before that. It should be kept very legal, would like to see some regulations in place though.

Does leaf humor always involve homosexual behavior?

They have some stronger strains around, but yeah don't expect to get messed up on it. It can be pretty subtle.

In all seriousness I support kratom being legal mainly because it helps opiate addicts get off of opiates. Which mean it's likely to save the lives of a lot of people.

how bald are you?

I used it multiple times a week

Don't get addicted and consume 30 grams a day

It's great to relax

Better for me than weed. Weed makes me lose my control, makes me watch porn again and fap. With weed, I eat like a pig and don't want to do anything. Sometimes I even lost the track of time.

With kratom I have more energy for workout. It relaxes me but I am still alert enough to drive car. I really enjoy the moment without getting high. It curbs my appetite. I eat and drink less. No after affects.

It's possible increasing the tolerance over time but you can easily stop it for a few weeks and re-start with a different strain.

Kratom is good, you have to find a good vendor with fresh powder. Take 2 to 4 grams, take 10 for intense effects. You get use to the taste. I don't drink or smoke ne more, no urge.

my friend pops these and drinks everyday after work. He used to take roxy's and drink so at least with kratom I don't worry about him quitting breathing in his sleep. I'd like to keep him around. kratom is fine

>Weed makes me lose my control, makes me watch porn again and fap.

That's why I quit weed, it made me uncontrollably horny to the point where I could never achieve the same level of arousel while sober. Nofap is impossible for me with weed, it's a love drug

Yup this

im a total faggot i know, what even is Kratom and what can it do

arousal*

I'm literally fucking addicted to it. Ask me all your questions

is kratom good shit Sup Forums? is it worth seeking out?

do you get high from it and why do you use it

i dont like taking opiates or downer drugs so i never tried it

Not really. I mean if you want to see if it would help you with pain or addiction or anxiety or whatever then give it a go. But it's really mostly medicinal. It's not much for recreation unless it gets you close enough that you're not abusing something stronger.

It's great, medicinally.
If you want recreational drugs, stick with uppers.
Downers tend to never end well. Kratom is mostly a downer, though it can be stimulating too.

It's like benzodiazepines.
Med +
Rec -

Do not do drugs user

What strains do you like best? Do you poteniate it with anything?

It does nothing. I ate a half pound bag of raw leaves and had a few beers at a hockey game. It felt exactly like I just had a few beers. I actually got a tension headache.

Its a waste of time, money and i don't fucking care if its illegal or not.

It's only a downer because you took so much of it, idiot

It depends on the person and quality of Kratom gas station Kratom and stuff you get at the head shop aren't going to be as good as getting from a vendor who gets directly from a grower. That being said I've met people who don't get much effect off it while others do. Some people it takes multiple try's until they get an effect

Ive done it - not bad but not great - similar effects of hydro's but not the same. I would bet the people that died from it were due to contamination of what they received rather then due to the herb itself.

ymmv

THIS. story time
>drink two cups of coffee
>stub toe
>punch wall
>hit stud
>break hand
>can't beat Contra Hard Corps anymore
Goddamn caffeine ruined me. RUE EYE ENN'D

If someone uses recreational drugs, they're trash, plain and simple.

What are your views on alcohol tobacco and all pharmaceutical drugs?

I used to get really relaxed from it. I would feel like I was floating on a cloud and would get the best sleep in my life from. I would never wake up hungover and could jump into my day without a shitty feeling.

Now I have to take it. I wake up in the morning super depressed, and have cold sweats. 10 minutes after I've taken it my depression and sweats go away. I don't even feel anything anymore, I just take it now to feel normal.

I started because weed was giving me anxiety attacks (after almost 10 years of smoking) and I simply substituted one drug from another.

I've never taken opiates in my life m8 and don't have any interest in them.

Pic are my favorite strains. I'm simple dude, put about a half ounce in water bottle, shake it up and drink it.

I got off opiates thanks to kratom. It helps with my neuropathy too. Which is why I was taking opiates in the first place.

You take half an oz of kratom at a go? Am I reading you right? Because that's as pretty ridiculously large dosage even for weak stuff.

Half an ounce is a LOT, dude, everything I've read said 3-10g, with less giving you energy/alertness and more giving you a sedative effect. It's no wonder you burned out taking 15g/day for so long.
Are you bald?

Last night I recommended people take leaf blowers to antifa rallies for legal disruption purposes.
Went over well!

Nobody is without addiction.

Don't even waste your time replying to him, he's just here to piss people off.

People should be able to do what they want with their bodies, but they should be educated on the consequences.

If you get it from a good source. Don't buy any of the extracts or shit with additives.

Red Borneo for sedation

Green Maeng Da or Malay for euphoria, lifted mood, increased energy(slightly).

Most people don't react well to the white veins so it's not worth the bother unless you have the money to piss away.

Keep it legal niggers. Stop supporting the drug war. Idiots will stop doing drugs when the ones who will over indulge overdose and die and the rest will stop because it's not cool and illegal anymore.

Red Kratom feels kind of like Lyrica. A little numbing and eases anxiety. I take 4 grams and it lasts 3-4 hours. You can't take it constantly, though. I went a week taking it 3x a day and I felt withdrawal effects (mostly stomach upset and anxiety). That lasted a day and a half while I stopped it entirely. After that I was fine again and went a few days without it. I took it once today, and I think I'll alternate days (or at least go one off every 2).

It takes some experimenting.

I know. I finished those 4 ounces in the pic in 3 days. That amount that you're reading about is mostly for people that are just beginning to take kratom. I would recommend 3 grams for your first time and eventually you'll up your dose.

I've tried lowering my dose slowly and what happens is I wake up at exactly 3am feeling restless, my legs can't stop moving, I can't stop clenching my jaw, I'm covered in sweat and there's no way in hell I'm getting back to sleep.

I'm not saying kratom is evil. I did this to myself knowing what the potential for addiction was. If anyone in this thread is ever going to take kratom, never take it more than 2-3 times a week and keep it at that.

Been using it for about 2 years on the regular.

For a good rush, mix it with OJ and drink it. For a long lasting and more sedated feel, get some capsules and a capsule machine and take em that way. Everybody requires different dosage. Start at around 3 or 4 and work up to 8. Anything more will probably have you puking, without a tolerance.

3 or 4 grams*

lmao, if you weren't an addict it could have made you rich.

Its a degenerate street drug that teenagers break open & smoke in crack pipes. Its fucked up and I think that the War On Drugs is productive rather than "problematic". It generates lots of money for private companies if anything. The Almighty Dollar reigns free and lazy bums can eat shit & hope that Uncle Bernie give them food stamps. Fuckin shithead millennial pricks, so smug and self satisfied.

mix it in with a bit of hard liquor and lemon juice to get an extraction going, then drink it down with mixed juice

but really this stuff will give you a kind of mania and after heavy use it no longer is pleasurable to me. I also reccomend getting some ginger for the nausea. Also enjoy packing a lip with some.

And no I'm not fucking bald and I'm lot losing any hair

Make sure you contemplating the weaning process with good nutrition because if you're mineral deficient then restless leg and such becomes even more of a problem. It's possible that you might need to like cut a week out of your life and quit cold turkey and basically go to detox, whether that's at home or checking yourself in if that's what it takes.

Once you keep up what you're doing for long enough, you'll get CNS adaptations that will take just about a year to get close as you're likely to get recovering from if you stay off it pretty much entirely (although you should start to see real changes at a scale of about 3 weeks and more real changes at about 3 months.)

I don't like alcohol or drugs. I don't like the taste, I don't like the loss of control, I don't like the immediate aftereffects. I don't like the stupid, waspy feeling you get from weed. I don't like the loss of control and sensation you get from wine. I like being in control of my mind and body and feel horrific when I'm not.

I'm sick of people treating me like I'm a child because I don't want to get wasted every fucking night at college.

>Well, what do you do for fun, user? I bet you just stay home and play videogames, you big loser!

Nope! Guess what, the world fucking opens up after you leave the bar or your stoner friends house! I go to the libraries, the museum, and the beach. I go to festivals, I go to flea markets, and I go to used book stores. Bowling, the arcade, shopping, the mall, the movies; so many great alternatives to a shitty fucking club. Instead of a night of drinking, I bought a Zoo Pass for seventy bucks. Whenever I fucking want, I go and chill out with fucking elephants and giraffes. Have you ever done that? Just gone to the zoo with a friend on a weekend night? Just enjoy the night sky, with your own thoughts and feelings? Just talked to someone about life as you watched monkeys swing trees?
>get called out for the degenerate you are
>this makes you mad
It should.

I've been using kratom for years. Ask me anything

Fucking idiot crackhead

this fucking desu senpai.

Nigger, some of us have such bad anxiety that it takes an act of will just to walk out the door and go outside, so no, chilling at the zoo is not really on my to do list. I go out when I have to and that's it. Anything to take the edge off is a godsend.

LOL YOU WISH BUT WRONG

>Beastiality is legal in Canada now
>Arrested if you don't use xyes pronouns
>Literally the most cucked country next to Sweden
I'm so mad over here, sooo mad sweetie.
I'll take that advice to heart. Ive been reading a lot about supplements and diets that help while getting off kratom. I'm already on a strict diet and due to bodybuilding. Do you take it or are you a nutritionist or something?

Beat you to it nigga

no I'd disagree. It perpetuates abuse amongst the general populace & increases the likely hood of some evil moron driving on the wrong side of the road all doped up killing someone in a horrific accident. Think logically, if we needed those drugs, theyd be legal already. Thats why weed still carries a sketchy legal status, its not needed by the general populace.

>Namefag getting uppity about the war on drugs
Hello alphabet agent

I'm not saying kratom is 100% safe or even non-addicting, but fuck giving the government another reason to lock people up for a victimless crime. If I want to do something bad for me, that's my right as a fucking American.

>pulls out a strawman that has nothing to do with the line of discourse
If recreational drug use was perfectly fine, there'd by nothing to defend. Yet you lowlifes always get on the defensive. And mind you, there are daily druggie threads on a supposedly "redpilled" board, too.

I took antidepressants and opiates. Dropped them both and went the 5htp and kratom route. Have a very good job and a semi okay life now. I think my brain is busted. My dopamine and serotonin are always low. So I think attacking the kapa opioid receptor like kratom does has a unique effect that even hydrocodone and paxil didn't. The first time I was ever happy as an adult was detoxing off opiates and after I started kratom.

its more addictive than crack for me but ive been hooked on them for 20 years

Kratom is a great herb.

Addictive though

maybe you should stop for a while until you dont feel bad when you wake up and take it less often when you do again

You sound like a boring ass bitch.
>I go bowling and chill with elephants by my self and I sometimes wonder what dolphin puss looks like and if you don't like to do what I do then you're a degenerate
>I don't like being treated like a child but I throw tantrums on 4chum
Pathetic HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

>its more addictive than crack for me

Yeah, and I can't live without my caffeine, either, but it shouldn't be illegal.

Yes. It's basically food so it will degrade unless you kept it sealed and it hasn't been colonized by fungi. Boil it into a tea to be safe. Worst case, it'll taste bad and give you a headache.

insensitive prick

I dabbled with kratom a while back but that was years ago and I never got the dosage up very high except for a few times trying to see how far I could push it.

I'm not unfamiliar with addictions, though, both from personal experience and via friends. If you have /fit/izen ty[e discipline then you're one step ahead of the game already. That I can say from personal experience.

Right, kratom should be illegal because a few people abuse the shit out of it. Fuck you. You could get off that shit in a week and be fine. Sure, you'll be sick and feel like shit, but it ain't fucking heroin.

Ehhhhhhh maybe, I really don't have a reason to stop now. No sudden changes in my life where I won't have access to it. The day will come. My ID might of changes by the way.

Those times where I tried to see how far I could push it it would nod off, in and out of sleep. Was disgusted with myself so I cut that shit out quick. I would definitely say a kratom addiction is no where near a real opiate or heroin addiction. Mist be hard to come off that stuff. Any friends steal your shit to score some dope?

I started taking ashwagandha daily and i haven’t had kratom for days. For those who have addicton, think about it.