How would you convince a Libertarian Socialist (me) that right wing politics/fascism is not as bad as I think

How would you convince a Libertarian Socialist (me) that right wing politics/fascism is not as bad as I think.

A priori equality can never be observed anywhere in nature

THAT'S RIGHT

WH*TES WILL HAVE TO BE SLAVES

>reasoning
>with a subhuman

i dont, i kill you, fucking scum

well how bad do you think it is

Pretty bad.

I can't work with much if you don't specify how bad you think it is or why it is so bad

You are on the money already OP, Don’t change because of Sup Forums, Thought experiments however I think are more than hillarious.

>libertarian
>socialist

Socialists invented the word Libertarian.

Not the SJW shithole you believe it to be. Make government a competing entinty in the marketplace. Make sure businesses are fucked just as much as government not being in control over to much of the capatlist system.

It also keeps the Individual free while having the benefit of collective bargaining.

so.. can i own my own means of production in a libertarian socialist society or not? i'm so confused.

Fascism is not necessarily equal to fascism

if you work alone

>libertarian socialist
Doesn't exist famalam. They're antithetical to each other.

>libertarian
>socialist

Socialists invented the word Libertarian.

No unless you are a maoist,stalinist we cannot save your soul.

nice argument

I used to be a Liberal which is not far off.

STOP THIS IDIOTIC LARPING

Are you an actual Costa Rican? What's the /fash/ scene down there like?

Maoism is tad bit retarded.
Stalinism is ok.

To be quite honest, I would not trust agrarians/peasants/farmers even a little bit. They are worse than jews when it comes to making profit and having extra shekels.

because the proleteriat is the only group that cares about national tradition, they just want to be left alone to do their own thing and not have to worry about starving to death or being chased out of their homes, somehow all socialists miss this and want to take away the only thing the proleteriat wants while claiming to fight for their rights, while the right wing actually fights for their rights, with minimum effort but still, for someone who claims to listen to everyone you sure as hell don't, pic related

You don't reason with someone who seeks to exterminate you through any means necessary to include lying to your face, or corrupting your children. You end them. There will always be Strong, and always be weak.

Want to know what happens if a small, yappy dog is allowed to think its dominant over a pack of larger, more patient, and tolerant dogs? It starts nipping, barking, and pissing everywhere. For a while the dogs are patient, until one day they maul or kill the smaller dog.

Liberals are that small, incessantly yapping dog with bulging eyes and a crushed brain from being forced into, and then embracing an unnatural form.

YOU.DO.NOT.DESERVE.TO.EXIST.

liberty 》 socialism kys

What's the point in trying to convince a mulatto bugman to have higher thoughts?

Prove it.

Is this another dumb faggots don't know the difference between National Socialism and Marxist Socialism thread?

There is no such thing as libertarian socialist.

its slowly happening, this region culturally is like 10 -15 years behind

watching Europe burn will wake up people here

"Libertarianism in the United States developed in the 1950s as many with Old Right or classical liberal beliefs in the United States began to describe themselves as libertarians. H. L. Mencken and Albert Jay Nock were the first prominent figures in the United States to privately call themselves libertarians."
"The use of the word "libertarian" to describe a new set of political positions has been traced to the French cognate, libertaire, coined in a letter French libertarian communist Joseph Déjacque wrote to mutualist Pierre-Joseph Proudhon in 1857."

Happy to. I was once a libertarian. I realized that millions of Mexicans will make our country more like Mexico. California changed from red to blue. Texas is changing. Mexicans, by the tens of millions, are shifting our politics towards big corrupt governments. That's no surprise, it's the same government they created for themselves in Mexico.

People make a country what it is. Which South American Paradise would you like to live in? Which African country?

Libertarianism can't work. The libertarian society will be inundated with shit skin migrants who will vote freedom away in favor of bigger government. Socialism can't work. It will be invaded by shit skin parasites who will load up on government hand outs and multiply till the system collapses.

What can work? Ethnostate. Get rid of the subhumans. Prevent significant amount of immigration. Organize society so we take care of each other, and infringe on freedom as little as possible.

(Also, take the vote away from women)

1. Are you an actual Costa Rican, or an expat?
2. How do you see CR developing fascism, even as they are such an outlier politically and lack an army?
3. Is there any threat to the 'green' agenda? I think their commitment there is a Good Thing

Maybe. Doesn't change their definitions. Retarded conservatives stole the word "liberal" from people like me, so now I have to use "classical liberal". Libertarianism is about free market policies and small government. Socialism is about collective ownership of property and goods. The free market and collective ownership can't work together because they are opposites.

Who do you think worships money harder jews or gadsden/libertarians?

Literally only in the United States. Everywhere else still uses Libertarian to mean socialist. You are outnumbered

Well I'm both so I couldn't tell you.

What is Free Market Socialism?

Tarkovsky?

>money
>money
>money
It is almost like I could tell from your posting about money.

Yes.

so you're either a DNC thug who's too conceited to be a kekistanley or an actual breadbook tard who thinks this thread counts towards his Activism™ quota

What the fucking fuck is a libertarian socialist?

No. Fascism doesn't really exist out of this place so I want to come here to understand the autism.

free market socialism and mutualism is all fine and good but how are you going to kick the multinationals out and let this happen without an authoritarian strongman

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Eh, it really means emphasis on personal liberty. Not really socialist because socialists are collectivists and obviously collectivism and personal liberty don't mix.

Always sunny
In a rich man's world.

Libertarian Socialism (a good number of which are anarchists) is an anti-authoritarian form of socialism. It rejects any type of central planning (and for the anarchists the state as a whole).

Look at Revolutionary Spain and Rojava for actual examples.

actual rican, best rican

i dont think we will ever become fascist, but people are waking up to marxism, specially with all the tranny push....

while we dont have an army, and while we have a high mongrel population, i think that in a shtf situation, government losses control, I think enough educated and armed people exist, to preserve themselves and hopefully dont devolve into an africa tier collapse

besides that people ARE tired of government corruption, and ineptitude, which is mostly associated with the left here, so maybe we will get a purge, idk

i will love to see the army comeback, mainly as a educational institution, having people prepared and educated

Here's how. Don't.

>libertarian
>socialist
Spoiler alert, you're only one of those and deluded yourself into thinking you're both to up your snowflake status
On a related side note, you're still a colossal faggot and therefore somewhat of a snowflake

nice argument.

by eating these chips. think about it. I mean REALLY think about the metaphor there.

>israel 2 kurdish boogaloo
holy lel

1 Understand Fascism is thousands of years old and is only right wing to commies.

2 Read Mein Kampf & Hitler's second book, Listen to 100's of hours of Hitler et al speeches with accurate subtitles.

3 Try to prove the Holocaust happened, seriously. Show me one message from Hitler or Nazi brass calling for or mentioning anything close to a 'final solution'

4 Watch David Irving and David Cole speak about the Holocaust.

woah woah slow down with the anti-semtitic stuff that will get you kicked out of kekistan, buddy.

>anti-authoritarian
>socialist
>no central planning

PICK ONE AND ONLY ONE.

What is decentralized planning
What are anarchists
What is Catalonia
What is Rojava
What is Market Socialism

Libertarian socialist. Hshshshsbz my sides

> libertarian socialist
ok, first, everyone shut the fuck up
1. slide thread
2. this guy cannot even explain libsoc
3. this guy doesn't know any arguments for or against
4. shadilay
BEWARE AUTISTIC RETARDS ON POL

Libertarian Socialist, what a paradox!

How do you keep your freedoms when someone has the power to trump your freedom at any moment because they hold so much power.

>How would you convince a Libertarian Socialist (me) that right wing politics/fascism is not as bad as I think.
TRANSLATION
> HELP CONVINCE AN AUTHORITIRIAN RETARD THAT
> [CONFLATE RIGHT WING AND FASCISM]
> IS WRONG
1. LEFTISM IS FACISM IS NAZISM
nazi are left wing commies are nazis are socialists are bolsheviks are jews
FASCISM IS LEFT WING. LEFT WING IS AUTHORITARIAN.
RIGHT WING IS LITERALLY TRUE ANTI FASCISM
- THAT’S WHY ALL NEOCON SHILLS ARE PAID TO MOVE DIALOG AWAY
- ALL NEOCON SHILLS CALL NAZISM / FASCISM RIGHT WING

It isn't fascist, but read Hoppe's A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism.

I would probably threaten you with unimaginable torture and then go through with it anyway cause fuck you.

Go home Dinesh. You’ll always be a street shitting brown skin

Can you tell them to read something that actually matters like Hayek's The Fatal Conceit. That book will explain why hes an idiot.

I'm sorry if i didn't make it clear. I don't really know what fascism is but I know it's bad and would like to be educated on the common myths people hear.

Most people when the hear the word "SOCIALISM" they are scared of the word and think of the propaganda they are told without learning the actual meaning. The same thing happens with the word "Fascism" and that's why I'm here. To learn how Fascists define Fascism.

The thread has turned into debating about Socialism which is not what the thread says. I'm defending my ideology but not once has someone tried to educate me on Fascism.

As for socialism. I've defined Libertarian Socialism and given examples.

but i have gun

>WE MUST SUPPORT OUR COMRADES THE CATALONIAN CHETNIKS
>"""(((market)))""" $ociali$m
stop
I bet you support neolib identity movements too

>libertarian socialist
that is called fascism

Can you give me an outline of the books points yourself?

The main point of the book is that it explains why intellectuals all move towards socialism. He dissects why applying rationalism towards everything is not something that is possible because of how complex society can get. They can't know everything in a centrally planned government which is why he named it the fatal conceit because so many academics have tried.

If you read his most famous and used work: The Use of KNowledge in Society, he applies that logic to this book as well that knowledge is better dispersed from bottom down rather than a top down approach. He goes on to give examples why bottom up approach is superior and how it holds your freedoms and why top down approach can be disastrous

Arguing political systems are fruitless.
Understanding human nature is paramount.

The less intelligent a population; the more authoritarian Gov. is needed for order.

The more welfare = less intelligent people are subsidized and breed.

The more corporate welfare = Stronger mega corporation monopolies and heavy regulation that are a barrier for entry against competition, all costs will be past to the consumer.

Champion for the smallest minority; the individual, that includes everyone and excludes no one.

Yeah but Libertarian Socialism is against Central planning.

Also wanted to add that he explains why socialism can never lead to individual freedom at its most, if that is what you are trying to maximize

Read a summary on your stupid cult. And this can be debunked by simple Game Theory.
Go get a book on game theory and it'll explain why you're retarded

Right wing is the best wing

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I wouldn't. Communists aren't human, the only thing you deserve is enough time to line up in order in front of the tank treads.

Why are you getting angry?

How does game theory debunk socialism?

Egalitarianism (the core ideological pillar of leftist ideologies, to which I assume you are a follower) cannot be stimulated from the ground up, it can only be imposed via threat of violence from the top down. Egalitarianism is present nowhere in nature, and despite our arrogance as a species: we are apart of that natural system and can only put our toe over that naturalist laws, we cannot ignore them and we cannot fundamentally create our own separate from them.

A great many lefists believe that their egalitarianism can be achieved through decentralized means, but they all reach the same end. Ill give you an example:

One person inherits a great amount of money and builds on that wealth. Your Libertarian Socialism comes through and establishes itself as the prime ideological force in society. You claim that it is immoral for someone to exploit the labor of working people. The rich person ignores you and does it anyway. You then have to use threat of force to stop it or you let it happen. Either way, you aren't a libertarian socialist.

You start with fanciful dreams of decentralized system and you end with gulags, there is no other scenario.

>Libertarian Socialist
>anarcho communism

Leftism is a mental disease. Nothing short of schizzophrenia.

Because your an idiot who somehow came to be a libertarian socialist. You put in so much time into identifying yourself and you chose a retard net catching cult movement where they don't apply game theory.

There are many different concepts in game theory, let me give you an example. If a large corporation sees a small company doing something new like VR, those large corporations will join the race for the best VR Headset and most likely win because of their large scale domain. For example, If you're in a boat race and you're already ahead and you see the guy take a different path maybe because of a current he sees perhaps that there is a 20% chance he will move much at a much faster pace, then in theory, the guy leading should just follow his movement so he will ALWAYS win.

Now, applying this type of logic to your cult society, There will ALWAYS be one guy trying to cheat everyone out of it because the risk is so small because having an entire decentralized force where everything is voluntary is easy to get away with. Yeah you can get outted by your fellow peers but as society grows, you'll start to realize that people will follow the same logic as the first guy who cheated everyone.

I realise I did not correct my sentences, this is how i write my papers, vomit all my thoughts and then clean up.

My bad

Violence is sometimes necessary in order to get a better society. See American/French Revolution.

>There will ALWAYS be one guy trying to cheat everyone out of it

How?

Simply compare the actions of the 2 groups over the last decade... world of difference.

>free but all my money is given to buttfaces
nope

>Violence is sometimes necessary in order to get a better society.

You're absolutely correct. But if you have individuals running around killing people because they don't adhere to your particular ideology, then how does that make you "libertarian"? They're either acting without any authority (and as such are an actor of anarchy) or with authority of an authoritarian body.

How does central planning go together with individual liberty?

human nature. Everyone wants more things.

>How?

Now you're just being a complete fucking idiot. People are awful in nature and will do everything they can to get what they need for their families at the expense of everyone else, regardless of system. When times get hard crime goes up, it's not a coincidence. Unless everyone is always happy, and no droughts happen, no natural disasters, no assholes in society, there will always be unrest in this type of utopian society you live in. It's why capitalism is king, because you lay down incentives for everyone that will benefit not only the person who is making a profit, but the person who wants to buy the goods/services. Consumer is king and everyone is trying to make the consumer happy. Everyone in a capitalist society is a consumer.

Libertarian Socialism isn't central planning.

A libertarian society is a high trust society. If minimal regulations and laws cannot effectively dissuade antisocial behavior, society will turn to more far reaching and strict laws and regulations to function. The alternative is a breakdown of society.

The current trend in right wing politics is to try and restore the trust society by reinforcing the local culture/law. Ironically enough this sort of indirect identity politics was used by more "fringe" minority groups on the left.a

Basically, diversity has come to the point where society cannot recognize itself well enough to function cohesively and group self interest has become a larger motivator for most people.

Socialism, by definition, is central planning. Can‘t have the gibs without the whips.

Because everyone has some shit correct and other things wrong. If you follow a party where you truly believe everything they say to be correct, then you're in an echo chamber of sorts.

People here can talk economics and why free societies are doomed to with fall or slowly become tyrannical (like USA during civil war, south was right)

Source?

Not necessarily dude, socialism is vague defined outside of Marxist definitions, but considering the word existed for at least 50 year before Marx was born, that definition isn't the monopoly.