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I think I'll pass

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Doesn't look like the individual is going to win unless it's a fantasy piece. What do?

Individuals will not win and neither should they.

Collectivists are just lazy fucks who want others to accomplish things for them. That's why so many neets are ardent collectivists, they can't fix their own life so they want some authority to bust in and fix it for them.

Look at all the NatSocs on Sup Forums, they hunger for National Socialism, yet do any one of them aspire to be the "Hitler". No! They all wait for him to come like a Christian waits for Jesus to return. Eventually, some e-celeb milks them for their shekels because their so thirsty for authority no matter how capable they actually are. They always end up falling for some attention whore. Of course, I hate left wing socialists even more. They too are unemployed, never done anything worthwhile in their life, yet demand the government is expanded and does everything for them.

Collectivism is for betas
Individualism is for alphas

Fresh off the boat, from reddit, kid? heh I remember when I was just like you. Braindead. Lemme give you a tip so you can make it in this cyber sanctuary: never make jokes like that. You got no reputation here, you got no name, you got jackshit here. It's survival of the fittest and you ain't gonna survive long on Sup Forums by saying stupid jokes that your little hugbox cuntsucking reddit friends would upboat. None of that here. You don't upboat. You don't downboat. This ain't reddit, kid. This is Sup Forums. We have REAL intellectual discussion, something I don't think you're all that familiar with. You don't like it, you can hit the bricks on over to imgur, you daily show watching son of a bitch. I hope you don't tho. I hope you stay here and learn our ways. Things are different here, unlike any other place that the light of internet pop culture reaches.

ITT: Yuros (lazy commies and inbred Nazis) who can't handle the power of a strong North American man

nice copy pasta

But most of nazis are North Americans...

Wow inspiring. Really makes me want to die to a hydra.

Too bad that individual doesn't have a bunch of other individuals to band together with and fight those multiple heads. When Hercules fought the hydra, he had help from some of his guys and fire.

Here come the individualists

t.high brained (((centrist))) nigga

Individuals might be just as lazy fucks who want others to accomplish things for them.

Pretty much all mammals are social species that exist within the context of a collective, even multiple collectives. Sorry that humanism and its brother individualism are idealistic nonsense, it must suck to find out your worldview won't survive reality and the laws of nature.

No nation has ever been individualist. It's just nonsense term libertarians use. People don't abandon their families and communities. Individualism is inherently anti-human.

He might be dead, but at least he was not a collectivist!

Individualists are losers that know nobody would stand them in a society where people held expectations for others.

If you cared about your grandchildren you would want a good society for them. But you're a selfish loser that probably will never have grandchildren, or you're not white, so you don't care. Protip: ignoring the state of society makes you a pussy, not the individualist hero you think you are.

YAY I CAN BE A LE EPIC HERO AND FIGHT AN IMPOSSIBLE TO WIN FIGHT BY MYSELF . LIFE IS A DISNEY MOVIE SO SURELY I'LL BE A EBIN HERO AND DEFEAT ALL THE ODDS ALONE LIKE AN ANIME

Oh, did I hit too close to home?
Roman Patriarchy was the highest form of individualism. You were either subordinate to the family, or you left the family to start your own family. Whether you succeeded or not depended on your own individual capability.

Degenerate socialists wish to replace the family with a mass collective known as the state. Whether left-wing or right-wing, the family is put second to the state. Both want to put the collective before the individual.

Nice argument you cultureless retard—except individualism NEVER wins.

So.... Alphas never win? Oh no wait that’s the opposite of the definition.

DEATH TO THE CLASSIC LIBERAL JEW

You put the state before the individual family.
No matter how your organize your ideals, it's already degenerate.

individualism is is traitor tier

Sometimes you go to fight a dragon and it eats you. Peterson says this himself. He's constantly talking about how you can't do these things in a naive fashion.

>LOLOLOL IM SO CONTRARIAN, INDIVIDUALISM SUCKS LOL GUYS RIGHT
Beta trash

Peterson is so fucking stupid. He's a typical liberal professor. He's brainwashing the_donalders with the same mesmerizing bullshit shit that they all do.

>hAHAHA self-reliance is so degenerate, we need a right-wing welfare state to fix things
t. beta neet who wants a hitler to come and fix everything for them

You can't have a healthy family unit without the protection of the national community and state you brainwashed retard. The family itself is a social institution.

>all the buttblasted commie/natsocs in this thread

Fucking kek. Stay mad you collectivist brainlets.

He's mixed up individualism and fascism/nationalism here

This.
Individualism is basically the glorification of entitlement "I deserve to live my live, I deserve to enjoy collective effort alone, I don't have to care about other people's problems, etc".

In tribalistic societies it was almost impossible to end up homeless. If you didn't have a job your community (wether it was religious, family or any other local group) would lift you up and give you work and/or support. But sure, that's archaic for hipsters that want to live their town to be a wagecuck and spend thousands of dollars a year to travel around places for their facebook wall.

Lolbergtardians get the rope too you meme flag faggot

The family is a collective you fucking idiot

Collectivists get free helicopter rides

have fun with your made up idea
> we will be doing real thing in the world

GET SPOOKED FAGS

There is no such thing as a "collective" you stupid fuck. Only groups of individuals

> no "Untidy room" head
Pledditards aren't funny

>they hunger for National Socialism, yet do any one of them aspire to be the "Hitler". No!
90% of Sup Forums falls asleep dreaming they were Hitler, regardless whether they're NatSoc or not.
>Collectivism is for betas
100% of human achievements are thanks to collectives or individuals working within the comfort of a collective.
>individualism is for alphas
>have a computer built by somebody else
>have an internet connection that you don't have someone else maintaining it for you
>live in a country protected by a millitary
>have institutions that have been established by people long before you were born and are run by anonymous bureaucrats
>hasn't built a single road in your life, the taxes of the people that died before you were born and have no personal or familial relationship to you have paid for those roads
>his basis for morality comes from the society he lives in
>his views are shaped by his surrounding environment
>MUH INDIVIDUALISM IS BASED AF!

gas yourself pls

The family is an individual you retard

...You are beyond retarded

DAILY REMINDER TO STAND ON YOUR OWN AND IGNORE THE PLUGGED-INS.

RESIST THE DEMIURGE

>collectivism is so great
>lists a bunch of individualist achievements

If you think the individualism I'm talking about is some atomized degenerate strawman then you're a faggot.

Pardon? I think you're putting words in my mouth. Seems more like you who's looking towards a cultlike figure for guidance, t_d.

...

>lists a bunch of individualist achievements
lol what? Do you know how anything works you absolute mongrel? There is not individual outside of the context of the collective.

Libertarianism is invention if most collectivist race in the world, who is successful due to exceptional ingroup loyalty and utter disregard towards outsiders.

He makes good points about self determination and I'd recommend him. Although he's libertarian I do respect that, since not everyone can agree with you 100%.

People have different ideas and visions, and only commies and progressives hate that. Only progressives kick people out of their little club and then shame them for not agreeing with everything they say.

Is this the meme that destroyed Peterson?

Oh now individualism means FAMILY? What about muh INDIVIDUAL?

Have you heard about the dragon known as Demographics? It's a bigger dragon than all your personal dragons combined, trust me. By it's very nature you can not defeat it by trying to slay it alone.

How will we slay Demographics? We could deny that it's powerful and we could try solo'ing it like True Individualist Heroes™ that we are, the only problem that's been tried by everyone and the dragon just keeps growing stronger every year. If we don't slay Demographics, by the time our grandchildren are adults, the dragon will exit it's cave and EAT THEM.

The solution should be obvious.

Nah, collectivists always write history in a way to take credit from individuals.

Look at all the "we wuz"
>we invented in the internet, not the individual scientists and engineers
Collectivism is a way for worthless people who contribute nothing to society to feel good by taking credit for the accomplishments of others.

Alphas are leaders of a collective. Individualists would be the omegas.

you need time, kid

one day you'll realize you are nothing without others, only then will you succeed

Fascism is the only political system that enables true genuine individualism and greatness in men.

What brainwashed lolbertarian Amurican mutts mean by individualism is Marvel vs DC and Samsung vs Apple fake individualism

lmao he fell for the benevolent dictator meme

>yes everyone be a faggot introverted loner dork with a gay whiney voice like me

Only a degenerate leftists strawmans individualism into an atomized degenerate form.

>How will we slay Demographics? We could deny that it's powerful and we could try solo'ing it like True Individualist Heroes™ that we are, the only problem that's been tried by everyone and the dragon just keeps growing stronger every year. If we don't slay Demographics, by the time our grandchildren are adults, the dragon will exit it's cave and EAT THEM.

Haha, you reveal how worthless collectivists are.

An Individualist would start a family and breed white children, a collectivist would just bitch and moan harping to other whites that they need to have more white children.

>nature and biology always win. fee-fees and emotions are fleeting and never to be trusted over shear survival
>nature and biology gave us the best of the best; a thing coveted by those which cannot achieve it by their own hand
>nature and biology are the most cruel, uncaring, emotion-less eugenicists known to man. he may deny them, but he will never defeat them

Peterson has completely cucked out.

>bans people from being on his panels merely for having spoken to the radical right
>now states unequivocally that mtf transgender people are real "women"
>says most of his best friends are Jews
>advocates white genocide by handing transferring European traditions to non-Europeans

He's such an autist.

The Founding Fathers of America who were great White men were collectivists. They excluded men from becoming citizens of the US based on kinship and racial identity.

>hey we need fascism
>So who's the alpha fit for such a job
>lol i dunno, just wait for him, he'll come eventually

Well, why should I cuck myself for a fascist or my "country"?

something like your pic-quote seems like a reasonable compromise. dgaf if its by Hitler.

At the very least if you want a society of individualist large amount of them have to accept that they need to work together from time to time to fight those who would not let them be individualists.

As for the White man cleaning up his room; is there any chance he could get a break from babysitting Tyrone, the insatiable desires of our greatest allies and his perpetual, professional victim-hood, or circling the globe to send our best into endless wars while our own nation crumbles?

>the founding fathers were collectivists
>protecting your borders from savage hordes is collectivism
I'm honestly surprised someone can be this retarded.

Oh look at the special snowflake, he doesn't even care if his race and culture dies. So individualistic.

Irony is, they're fanatic subcultures. I.E, collectives.

Individualism implies uniqueness, which exists only in the specific order of collectives one adheres to. Everything that defines our identities is the result of group thinking. You could argue the West allows for free choices, and the right to associate with or without specific collectives, but that very notion and its associated belief system is held COLLECTIVELY by the Western people.

I'll take ancaps and other individualist mongrels seriously when they actually win for a change. As it stands I don't see them ever defeating the left or stemming the tide of mongrels pouring into the west.

Nice meme. Actually the leader in a Fascist regime is more accountable to the people than in the fake liberal (((democracy))) you like so much. He wields ultimate power but also ultimate responsibility to the people.

Peterson was good politically correct goy who just monetizes new trend in politics from the very beginning (and he's good at it, i'll give him that). It shows how sad state of Sup Forums is that some subhuman magapedes constantly bring this kike lover here.

Speaking as someone who's listened to Peterson before, it's immensely valuable for every individual to be capable - however, obviously, we need for society to exist and we need to be able to gain from it and contribute to it.
Also, Peterson frequently posts shit on his Twitter that he doesn't agree with. I think he would phrase that picture very differently if he was the one making it.

>bitchs and moans about white race dying
>can't find a gf to have white children with
>wastes time on mongolian basketweaving board instead
This is why collectivists are so worthless, they always expect other people to solve their problems for them. That's why all the "NatSocs" here are most likely virgin betas that have yet to sire any white children.

you don't have to you. you've already cucked to Sharia, and your cuckold fantasies are being fulfilled as Muhammed rapes your women, your children and your mind. don't bitch when fascists who can hurt more than sensitive fee-fees aren't there for you

Holy fuck the guys like 9 years old.

Are you denying that a White only immigration and naturalization policy is inherently collectivist? If the Founding Fathers were modern lolbergs™ I am sure they would adopt a naturalization policy entirely based on merit and individual accomplishment. They prefered a poor illiterate farmer from York to migrate to America than a 'based' high IQ Pajeet.

and by this i mean, if i were to interperate a meaning from what he believes of the picture as it was posted, is that you need to be capable so you're not a slave under a tyrannical state.

Then again Sup Forums wants to make people willingly contribute to society, so really, you're just agreeing but saying it very differently.

No those are incels

>lol i dunno who should be the leader, but man fascism is what we need
Typical collectivist, no plan. Just hoping someone solves all the problems for him

Libertarians over estimate the human populous. Thing is, the normal populous (normies) have always been cattle to some form of entity/collective. Weather that be religion, their society, or communist ideals. Take away religions and nationalism? They're now just nihilistic consumers with low birth rates.

>Roman Patriarchy was the highest form of individualism.
No, it wasn't. It wasn't individualistic at all, there was a hereditary caste system, a clear distinction between patrician and plebeians. Subordination to the family is collectivism not individualism. Entire legions could be put to death for the dereliction of just a few or just one of its members.
Degenerate capitalists wish to replace the family with the workplace, the consumer products, the mass produced hyper-atomized and hyper-consumerist identities.

hows your collectivist economy going ?

Thinking of your people as underachieving drones who predictably respond to stimuli isn't just stupid and uneducated, it's actually extremely dangerous, especially if you were to have power.

this

The autistic delusional individualist thinks he can stop the demographic nightmare by making 4 kids. What a hero! You suffer from a form of grandiose solipsism when you think you alone can change demographics. The logical conclusion for an individualist is to argue that demographics don't matter, because he doesn't have any power over it by himself. There is nothing beyond your individual control, maybe it will become true if you repeat it enough.

Some of them considered the Germans too ''non-white''. Seeing people not only as individuals but as parts of groups is what collectivism is.

The idea of collectivism contra individualism is fucking stupid. You can both be a strong and capable individual and still be part of a group, or several groups. It's a complex concept, and it's certainly something that is exacerbated by the current era and the wealth of knowledge one can easily attain these days, but you need to be able to identify this uneducated false dichotomy and circumvent it.

#DogRight

>Just hoping someone solves all the problems for him

Yes you giant retard. People working together to achieve collective goals is what solves problems. Most issues are outside the purview of an isolated individual. For example every man should be able to have a job and support his family.

Greece doesn't have a fascist economy and cooperation among all classes. Nice try leaf.

If reality doesn't conform to your ideas, shouldn't ideas be changed? Individualistic libertarians have the same problem as communists: they elevate their wrong theories of Man over what is real. History has shown us what happends in a hyperindividualist society.

Hi Jew boy. You seem a little triggered.

>The autistic delusional individualist thinks he can stop the demographic nightmare by making 4 kids.
Wow, so this is the state of Sup Forums National Socialism?
>do you think it even matters if you have white children you delusional individualist
Looks like I triggered a nerve, collectivists always want others to fix problems for them. It's a giant exercise of the blame game for collectivists while everything goes to shit.

Why not try to avoid being cucked by both Islamic extremists and regular fascists?

>(((individualism)))

Well to be honest, I agree. My individualism is really just a synthesis of individualism and collectivism. However, I just hate statist collectivists who just whine and whine demanding other people solve their problems.

Yes and now you're dead from the collective horde.

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He's not wrong. The average person isn't all that intelligent or responsible. They need to be told how to behave, how not to be a total waste of fucking skin. Those of us who can think for ourselves, who care what happens our race and culture, we are the ones who have to lead them, not count on them to lead themselves.

You 'argue' like a kike. With the pathetic virgin shaming and everything. Kek

Spam much Jew? You seem nervous.

>you should stop whining about demographics and actually have white children
>fuck off jew
t. Sup Forums NatSoc

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To be an indivualist, you need to be educated in philosophy and politics. Not only that, you need the discipline to implement it on a daily basis. Half the population can't solve x^2 + 10x + 5 , nevermind understand a complex philosophical system.

On the other hand, to be a collectivist, you just need to be a human being.