What do communists think of Animal Farm?

What do communists think of Animal Farm?

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Commies hate it, Trots love it
>Trotsky dindu nuffin
>Big bad Stalin pig ruined everything

Is that Bill Gates?

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Orwell was a socialist, animal farm isn't so much a critique of communism, rather just the disaster that was the bolsheviks and stalinism, which not even the bolsheviks or Lenin himself considered to be communism. This is a big misunderstanding people have when it comes to animal farm.

>Orwell was a socialist
Socialists aren't communists.

>IT WASN'T REAL COMMUNISM

Orwell believed in guild socialism which is a fairie tale at best. The truth is all socialism leads eventually to totalitarianism because it definitionally has to. The intellectual leaders of socialist/progressive doctrine knew this and wrote it out plainly a hundred years ago. It’s only the subversive communists of modern day that have attempted to hide this fact because they know people want to have rights and won’t give them up for the (((greater good)))

>this level of MLM revisionism
don't you have some farmers to be starving? non retarded people are trying to improve society here

Sup Forums is retarded, George Orwell was a socialist

They don't.

Did you even read the post you mongloid

yes i did, you're a retarded neolib who believes mlm revisionism because you're incapable of forming your own opinions

They shave off the edges until it makes sense with their ideals

He literally hated communism with all his might and predicted todays leftists in his book 1984

You have been fooled into not researching him yourself

You need to do some research. He was a socialist for a bit, - that is exactly why he hated communism and wrote about what he did about it.

Bill?

>The truth is all socialism leads eventually to totalitarianism because it definitionally has to.

Just want to add to this.

The reason communism/socialism will always lead to totalitarianism is that political control over the economy allows the ruling class to create a patronage system between them and the people with military power.

Democratic society and free markets necessarily depend on each other.

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Communists don't read unapproved books. If they did, they would think it is a cute story about animals.

I'm far from any knowledgeable source on this, but as I'm aware communists are socialists. they both believe in the social ownership of the means of production, communism is just the ideal society that is born from this liberation, with no concept of private property or the state.

Maybe, but Orwell certainly was a radical democratic socialist and animal farm was primarily a critique of the soviet model of communism, which Orwell felt was a betrayal of the values of Socialism, I'm not entirely sure though.

He hated soviet communism, but was still a radical socialist.
>“Socialism means a classless society, or it means nothing at all. And it was here that those few months in the militia were valuable to me. For the Spanish militias, while they lasted, were a sort of microcosm of a classless society. In that community where no one was on the make, where there was a shortage of everything but no privilege and no bootlicking, one got, perhaps, a crude forecast of what the opening stages of socialism might be like. And, after all, instead of disillusioning me it deeply attracted me. The effect was to make my desire to see socialism established much more actual than it had been before.”

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They wouldn't be able to connect the dots

Yes, it clearly is.

The idea of socialism is the people decide where the goods go (even if unevenly)

Brainwashed by actually reading books from people from the progressive era. Okay.

I guess Herbert croly and Walter Lippmann were technically mainstream a hundred years ago

Animal farm was banned under communism. So there you have it.

He was only a democratic socialist because he died in the 50s and didn’t have the wealth of knowledge/empirical evidence we have today.

It’s like Marx, you can shit on him all you want but he hasn’t even been alive for over a hundred years so it’s not really his fault that things that he said things that were false that are painfully obvious in retrospect.

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Communists and liberals just float bullshit claims about reading. Honest to god, they seem to think claiming to have read some of the most famous books in the world without actually reading them carries some sort of reputation or something.

Your average communist hasn't even read The Communist Manifesto, and don't think for a minute they've even picked up Das Kapital.

Fiction

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Communists see socialism as a stepping stone between capitalism and communism. They believe that after they perfect the conditions necessary for communism, then their totalitarian socialist system will no longer be needed and will wither away.
Non-communist socialist, like Orwell or the Nazis, see socialism not as a stepping stone, but simply as a way of improving society. It's not supposed to wither away and be replaced with something new.

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