Libyan civil war

Can we discuss that whole affair?
Was Gaddafi a gud boi or ebil tyrant? Why did the west intervene? How's the state of Libya now? Were (((they))) behind everything?

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Let's not be naive.
Gaddafi wasn't the greatest guy.
However, relative to his country, he was neccessary.
The intervenists of the West have no respect for other cultures and nations. They are incredibly judgemental, because they view themselves as better, thereby justifying a catastrophic intervention.
Sovereignty and respect of other nation are the only way for them to evolve, because developing a modern culture is an organic progress of their people.
They have to go through phases of progression and conservatism to have a stable society.

What about Gaddafi's plans of gold backed African currency?

Yeh that was a direct threat to the monopoly of US petrodollar. However, is that enough to intervene?
If it is should we intervene in Russia and China as well ?

How big was the western intervention anyways?

>was

Standard CIA stuff and a weak ass bombing campaign from mainland Europe.

Probably cos China and Russia would require a bit more effort to overthrow than Qaddafi, and even then, the US regularly interferes with Russian politics, engages in economic warfare against it, and actively tries to fence it in with HATO bases and deny it its overseas interests like in Syria.

Use ur head u dense kunt

Airstrikes, embargo and shitloads of material support to the rebels, they probably also put in special forces much like how the """"sdf"""" units that do most of the fighting away from the cameras will be US spec ops

The west wanted to do to syria the exact same thing as it did to Libya, but it failed to understand the resistance the alawites, shiited and christians would put up and the extent to which the Russians and Iranians would back up Assad.

Luckily though we are seeing the collapse of US hegemony as even their staunchest allies are getting sick of their schizo foreign policy.

We bombed him and we shot down his planes and supplied the rebels with munitions and stuff. Hillary Clinton definitely felt responsible. "We came, we saw, he died."

bad guy but we had no business sticking our nose in Libya

The operations was conducted by NATO, and consisted of American and British Navy with French, British and Canadian air force.

The petrodollar is a meme. Oil is traded in all kinds of currencies. The real feat is to have all goods priced in terms of dollars and then converted to whichever local currency. Having another unit to convert into is meaningless. Look at all the crypto currencies out there. Still all of them are valued in terms of dollars.

>Was Gaddafi a gud boi or ebil tyrant?
pic related
>Why did the west intervene?
There is no "West", there's only the US. Stop with this "West" meme when talking about geopolitics. NATO = US. And the west has bombed Libya before the revolt against Gaddafi. It's kikery as usual. The US felt threatened by the prospect of Africa becoming more independent.
>How's the state of Libya now?
It's a shithole.
>Were (((they))) behind everything?
They always are.

Haha, yeh I know there is a major difference in power level, and that US is actively engaged in economic warfare against Russia.
That doesn't mean it is the right thing to do. Monopolies always fall over time, and at the last period before the fall, they usually go out with incredibly resistance.

Gaddafi was a great leader. Odd that when he announced plans for a pan-African gold-backed currency that NATO commenced to engage in humanitarian aerial bombardment of Libya.

A crime.

>Were (((they))) behind everything?
Ask hillary

He could've been /ourkang/ but jews needed to bomb libya to bring niggers and terrorists to europe
He warned the nato but they didnt listen

Libyan """"civil"""" war.

Well Trump, has reversed the foreign policy of US. He is not an interventionist at heart, and have stopped the Saud funding of ISIS.
And thereby helped stop the 'regime change-plan' of the interventionist West.

It was a terrible mistake. Gaddafi made Libya into a country with one of the highest living standards in Africa, on the verge of European living standards. Now the country is in ruins and Europe is swarmed by the niggers Gaddafi kept out. All for the benefit of American (((elites))).

he kept the african hoards out of europe, they should have let him be.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves#Estimated_reserves_by_country
If there's oil US and tyrants are there. It's like the spontaneous generation of life from the 19th century.

There is a difference between the interventionist West, which seeks to promote the US hegemony, and the US, because since the presidency of Trump, US does not equal NATO.
US have seized it's authoritarian nature, and become a proponent of sovereignty.

>before liberation:
no privately owned central bank
>after liberation:
privately owned central bank

gee i wonde what their motivation was

This is the best post I have seen on here. MONEY was the number one motivator behind the intervention in Libya. With Libya leading Africa to switch to the gold backed currency it would eventually devaluate the petro dollar and the power/influence Europe/America/SA had over the continent. Ghadaffi was well liked in libya and his country had very little to no debt as well as having one of the highest standards of living in all of africa. Western support of insurgent rebel groups combined with airstrikes were too much for a very unprepared country to handle

You're too optimistic. Our policy doesn't change with one president. It is a system that has been set in place since the 50s and nothing anyone can do will change it significantly. Trump is just a stooge and has little understanding of anything related to geopolitics.

>US have seized it's authoritarian nature, and become a proponent of sovereignty.
>Sup Forumstards actually believe this

Gaddafi wasn't a bad guy. He might have been borderline socialist but he was actually make all the right decisions for his country, he lifted many people out of abject poverty and raised the literacy rate and created industry in the country. He only failed because the fucking U.S government needed a scape goat for terrorist attacks carried out in Italy, these bombing attacks were carried out by known Syrian intelligence officers, working for the Assaad regime. The US wanted Syria as an ally in the middle east, so despite the fact that they found syrian pass ports on the terrorists and they had clear evidence for who these men were and the italians investigation was conclusive, the Americans decided to pin it on Gaddafi.

When the Americans later decided they needed Gaddafi as an ally they offered to help him as long as took the blame and played by their rules. This worked for a few years and the U.S gov and other foreign govs built him up as a humanitarian and a visionary, when they didnt need him anymore they forced a regime change by funding terrorist sects in lybia which completely ruined the country.

Gaddafi was a great leader, it was a terrible loss for lybia.

Their country is still in turmoil and split up in an ongoing civil war between several militant factions. doubt theres much of a central bank to be had at this point. however you are correct that its about the money/currency (specifically non gold backed currency)

Lets not forget the collusion between the U.N, the U.S gov and Media outlets to run propaganda on Gaddafi, it was a highly coordinated effort that attacked Gaddafi from all sides.

>Were (((they))) behind everything?
It was mainly an old Allies thing. Sarkozy is half-Jewish, Cameron is not. Lieberman claimed the Israelis were against it, and that the question would have been who were to replace him. I tend to believe him, but with the merchant you can never be sure. Also because they were one of the driving forces for the Iraq war. Maybe they had learned from it, you could think, but (((their))) role in Syria seems to tell otherwise.

Was enough to tip the civil war odds against him, then he got impaled by literally ISIS tier motherfuckers. Which the Libyans had to continue to fight in the civil war to this day. And now our wall against Africa is gone.

Thanks..."liberator".

It is about money but not specifically the non gold backed currency though that played a big role. The reason they targeted Gaddafi was because of bombings in rome carried out by Syrian spooks working for the government, the U.S needed syrias support in the middle east at the time and so they scrambled for a scape goat.

Well i guess our differences in optimism is grounded in our perception of Trump.
I am happy and respect that you have the same view on intervention, and hope my view of Trump's foreign policy will become clearer in the future.

It will take a while, there are still massive support among Dems and Republicans to have an authoritarian foreign policy.
However, I believe it will change within the coming years.

Very interdasting. Are there any good sources for information about all of this?

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>Was Gaddafi a gud boi or ebil tyrant?
He wasn't the greatest guy in the world, got some skeletons in his closet, but he also did a lot of good for his country. You've probably seen the infograph of all them things. Also, unlike what the media told you, there was democracy in Libya but it wasn't like "liberal democracy" in the West, and by this I meant that Libyan citizens probably had more say in national policy making than any western democracy except maybe Switzerland.
>Why did the west intervene?
Officially, to bring "democracy" to Libya and end the rule of a dictator. There are various other reasons why however.
>Why did the west intervene?
Gadaffi's regime got replaced by a corrupt "parliamentary democracy" like we have, which didn't last long since the country basicially devolved into a longer, worse and more complicated civil war and this time the West is just letting Libyans starve.
>Were (((they))) behind everything?
Israel and Gadaffi's Libya were enemies, they had a lot to gain from him being overthrown. Libya even went to war with Egypt for making peace with the kikes.

Cameron had Jewish descent, its on his wiki page.

Also, Libya did not have a (((central bank))) and Gaddfi wanted to create an African currency backed by gold and oil

The documentary "hypernormalization" goes over gaddafis story. It will also redpill you on a shit load of other stuff and is a must watch for everyone on Sup Forums

It basically explains how and why things are the way they are today and the evolution of 20th century politics and its effects on the 21st century.

youtube.com/watch?v=-fny99f8amM

is that the guy from kiss?

Thank you. I gotta write a small report about this and I don't wanna do it from the perspective of the official narrative.

no one mentions the freemasonic controlled french african colonies underneath libya niger and central african republic and the uranium

gadaffi trolled these shits

yes, bad guy but at least people were safe, gold and oil, the same state as iraq and syria, probably.

freemasonic french corporate empire

((french central banks)) in central africa

>Was Gaddafi a gud boi or ebil tyrant?

There are no gud bois in the Middle East/North Africa. Gaddafi was the best possible boi, the US killed him because he threatened to upset the Banking power in Africa:

africanexponent.com/post/new-evidence-the-real-reason-gaddafi-was-killed-2706

>valued in terms of dollars
No

that's not the point
the US doesn't derive power from just being a unit of meassurement

People still want dollars
People still literally buy dollars and whole nations have savings in dollars

The moment this stops, it's gonna be fucking loud

>The documentary "hypernormalization" goes over gaddafis story.

It's complete garbage. It intentionally conceals all the banking/Kike stuff that is the real reason behind all these wars. It's one of those fake documentaries that give you some pseudo-insight in order to keep you from digging deeper.

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>Was Gaddafi a gud boi or ebil tyrant
He was neither, but he was the rightful leader of Libya and held it together.

this

the propaganda game was yuge

you wouldn't want to live under him, but in a place with shitskins you need someone like him to lead, it ez

Joan Rivers made fun of his outfit.

>The honeymoon between Haftar and Gaddafi did not last long. Haftar soon turned against him, after the breakout of the war in Chad to the south of Libya in the late 1980s.
>In March 1987, a group consisting of between 600 and 700 Libyan soldiers, commanded by Haftar was captured; Gaddafi then disowned Haftar after his capture. At the time it was said that the reason Gaddafi renounced Haftar was his concern that Haftar might return victorious and would threaten Gaddafi’s future. Following the split Haftar formed the Libyan National Salvation Front opposition body and then formed the National Libyan Army, the armed wing of the opposition.
>Hafter started preparing for the invasion of Libya after he was exiled to the United States together with many of the members of his army.
>In 1991, Reagan embraced Haftar’s troops who were trained by the CIA to engage in street warfare in a base close to the Chadian capital. Reagan’s strategy aimed to topple Gaddafi.
>In March 1996, Haftar returned to Libya and took part in the armed uprising against Gaddafi, the details of which are still rather scant. Press reports said at the time that disturbances took place in the Al-Jabal Al-Akhdar (Green Mountain) region in East Libya and that the armed forces belonging to the opposition had joined the fleeing prisoners in an uprising against the government and that the commander was Brig. Gen. Haftar.

>Libya's Haftar 'provided with Israeli military aid following UAE-mediated meetings with Mossad agents'
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>Since 2015, media reports said that Haftar's forces received Israeli military help, and that Israeli warplanes bombed Islamic State targets in Sirte following Haftar's request
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>Haftar: Israeli secret aid to Libya's strongman reveals a new friend in Africa: A source confirms that Israel has growing ties with Libyan strongman Khalifa Haftar, including carrying out strikes against IS in Sirte
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Libya is selling niggers as slaves now, quess that is much better then Gaddafi

This. Gaddafi was useful until he wasnt. Same with Saddam. They helped israel divide up the arab bloc (d&c tactic) and then woke up one day to find they were the enemy.

He seemed to pull libya together and shared oil wealth with the people. Eveeyone had a home, health care, education. Plus he kept the fuckheads in line. It seemed pretty stable so the humanitarian reasons to invade seem sketchy. We didnt hear shit about him for a few decades: 1980s world news was dominated by dictator gaddafi stories so why wait 30 years?

Think it all came down to his plan to start a gold backed currency- too much of a threat to petrodollar. So they wiped him out AND got all the gold.

a good third of the film focuses on the power on financing though, it doesnt intentionally conceal it, its just not a documentary with a soul focused on financing which is a dense topic.Hypernormalization gives you a lot of information, they break down central banking and fractional reserve banking, they dissect black rock and the element of money in wars, in the introduction for the documentary they even show how the bankers took control away from the government in new york and on a wider scale as well.

You clearly havent watched the documentary.

to add to what I just said, if you believe that banking and bankers are the soul reason for wars then you lack any nuanced ideas about these topics, and you're naive. There are a million people with a million reasons for wanting war and a million methods of pushing it. Bankers and banking is only one side of it.

Rest in peace Gaddafi. you were best dictator that one person ever beg to have. sadly your shitskin muslim fag citizens way too much dumb enough to being jew puppet.

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>You clearly havent watched the documentary.

I have, and nowhere does it say that Saddam was attacked because he refused to sell oil in USD and that Gaddafi planned the same. All the other basics on banking are nothing new and commonly agreed upon. Like I said, it's a documentary that gives you pseudo-insight in order to keep you away from the truth.

The dollar is fiat money kept alive by the fact that it's the world reserve currency because Arabs sell their oil in dollars - This is the first fact that needs to be mentioned by every honest documentary on Middle Eastern politics.

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Jesus...is there anyone who isn't at least part kike...? Just HOW Jewish is he?

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Poor boy was just another victim of Zionist media.

(((Bernard-Henri ((((((((((Lévy)))))))))))))
(((Nicolas Sarkozy)))
And of course the fucking Obama.

Sarkozy was a fucking asshole.
From 2012 to 2017 with Hollande the socialist, we took less immigrants than during 2007-2012 with Sarkozy the cuckservative.
And Sarkozy was a minister from 2002 to 2007.

During 10 years he lets in about 2 millions immigrants or about 1 million niggers/muslims in France.

And we only see the consequences since 2 years.

pls post any and all redpills regarding this topic here. Preferably with verifiable sources.
I want to be as informed as I can about this but I have to prove my claims in my report.

I would rather live under Gaddafi's regime where someone who speaks out against him is disappeared, but if you keep you're head down and don't rock the boat you can live a good life with a relatively (for africa) good standard of living. Than live in a chaotic failed state ruled by warlords from Al Qaeda or ISIS, who will kill you for not praying the right number of times, where none of your children will get access to school and the future is uncertain at best.

(((freemasonry))

explains why francee still fucks arouund in niger mali and other 3rd world countrys for ((uranium))
they alos siad they want more irish peacekeepers for what for irish people to die for these fuckers

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