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Let's have a civil debate on whether or not communism could work in practice.

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no

works great for culling a population

The gulag archipelago is the best argument against communism.
That and the fact that humans are inherently selfish greedy creatures.

Could you please specify what you think it would not Work?

Communism is just capitalism for the ruling class and devastating poverty for the worker. It only works in the minds of those who refuse to acknowledge that it has failed every time it was implemented.

Care to eleborate?

Then explain Cuba. The avarge cuban life quality was raised a lot after Fidel. They may still be opressed, but they went from being slaves to being opressed. Isn't that improvement?

We should seek a common consciousness where dialectic materialism is achieved. Then the social process of establishing the classless and stateless communist ideals can begin.

Seen with an alturistic point of view, man is created to seek the common best. A competitive class society, on the other hand, makes it impossible to create mutual relations between individuals as the ultimate battle of survival counteracts the establishment of mutualism's collective principles

still no

Commie fucks, yall know that it has never and will never work in reality. Go ahead and live in yourfucking fantasy but you'll just starve in a fucking gulag. You are just as dumb as all the other commie fucks, the sand niggers in the middle east and the chinks. Glad we have trump to get you out of this country

>200 years old
>never produced a successful and sustained Nation
what's there to debate?

no, and this comes from a hard leftist

It's not viable, it's an utopist idea

>a fairytale book where the writer makes up numbers and my personal opinion are the strongest arguments

Sup Forums will never produce a good argument, people here just repeat old drag things others said regardless of the topic. This is why opinions and ideas here will never be relevant

>He doesn't know what the Soviet Union was

As a white supremacist, I unironically support communism because it's the biggest killer of brown people in world history. Also, we need a good purge in the USA and if enough white nationalists took over the commie government we could genocide everyone. Eventually we'll all starve, but I'm a nihilist and that's fine with me.

/pol summarized in one post

What are you talking about, you Communist fucker? Are you kidding me? I've never seen someone so fucking braindead to /ever/ think that this shit would work. Are you sure your mommy didn't drop you on your head when you were a baby? Absolutely insane. If I ever met some Commie irl I'd beat him shitless. Have fun starving to death in some mud hut in the middle of Estonia or whatever shithole Eastern Yurop country your from while your only source of food is cannabalizing your own children. Oh wait: you're such a permavirgin you'd never even get pussy in the first place!

>shithole eastern yurop country your from while your only source of food is cannabalizing your own children
ok

It hasn't worked before, why should it work now that people are used to all the trappings of space-age capitalism? Good luck getting the proles to give up their iPhones and flatscreen tvs, gommrade.

>civil debate
>with communists

If it could have worked it would have worked every time it was tried. Humans are selfish and lazy.

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>slavs and east asians are brown

real communism?

This is a short read. It explains why communism do not work and how it interacts with human nature. Read it and then tell me what's wrong with that.
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there's a video too youtube.com/watch?v=KCmJUobwKQk

What is keeping me from not working, when there are other people who will work, but we will all be equal and earn the same shit as one another, whether we work or not?

Hard mode: no forced labor

Looks at EVERY attempt at communism through history.

>Result:

Nope! Doesn't Work.

Shut the fuck you you commie faggot. It doesn't work. It never has. It never will. Embrace capitalism and make your own life better rather than blaming the system for your failures.

Cuba was never great under Fidel. This is shown by the amount of Cubans who left under the Wet Feet Dry feet policy to Miami and mexico. Not only this but if you search up any modern day image of Cuba it looks like a frozen version of the 50's with little if any development in technology including it's hospitals.

fpbp

I can't be nationalistic and hate brown people

>just repeat old drag things others said regardless of the topic.
>says the marxist

You see that retard who I work with trying to rip his dick off because he's a literal retard, yeah I deserve more than him.
Boom communism btfo

I thought you guys settled with money & Keynesianism because of the economic calculation problem?

Du kan alltid misliker brun hud, bror. Spise en fjert, negerberger.

B-b-but Fidel killed a million people and turned a prosperous Europe-tier country into hell on earth and stole everyone's money and healthcare because people voted him in because they didn't listen to Yuri Bezmenov and Stefan Molyneux.

No debate needed, you lost.

But anything good about the Eastern Bloc is propaganda! Don't you know that until the 1990s everyone there was starving and miserable and living in dilapidated wood huts?

Nah, lets have a civil debate on whether capitalism could work in practice.

Because real capitalism has never been tried.

so capitalism is evil because of greed ... but communism will total work right since no one will abuse it and be greedy?

Can you please learn to speak English properly

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Work for whom? I'm sure those with money and power will gladly give that up because it's the nice thing to do.

I didn't actually mind communism until i found out sjw's followed it, example Antifa. I'm kinda new here so is there is any part of communism that's nationalistic, non-degenerate and right wing in many ways?

no it wont

This.

And of course you’ll just kill anyone who doesn’t go along with the program.

It can't work with the level of corruption, the reason it always fails is because it's an excuse to steal from the masses

Charity goes a long way, if we forced every company to be non profit, it's a step in the right direction at getting the resources to people who need them.

Let's say any unoccupied land belongs to the first occupant, anything not being used can be used by one who needs it, all interests in anything excess of basic needs should be earmarked for donation to someone in need, if no one needs it then it should be protected until someone comes along like the next generation

We shouldn't have to rely on benevolence of public servants with insane levels of power and wealth, if they would just serve, any political form could succeed even a dictatorship,

You look at the last line of the declaration of independence

"to eachother we pledge our lives or fortunes and our sacred honor"

This is a trust declaration

Charity is a non taxable event, you plunder the wealth you think you own your car /house /gun /kids you get fined, taxed, and jailed, but if everything you do is to benefit the country your unprosecutable, this is because there is no controversy

It's all in the trading with the enemy act (40 stat 411 thru 422)

This is current law

The problem is not the ideology. Perhaps with a different species it could work, but with humans it is impossible. We are too selfish. We have too much ambition. Why should I always get the same amount as everyone else?

Ok. Let's talk about living examples of communism working today in the world. Shit--wait...they're all dead. Really jogs the noggin.

Communism has been attempted. It has never succeeded. Even China needed to drastically reform to some inbetween capitalist oligarchy police state with socialism to compete. If you need any more evidence after the past 100 years of failure then I can only assume you have a less than adequate brain in your skull.

It can work for small tribal villages in africa. That's it.

You would be referring to either Strasserist National Socialism, or national bolsheviks.

I was going to write something approximating this, but you saved me the time. Well done.

> A competitive class society, on the other hand, makes it impossible to create mutual relations between individuals as the ultimate battle of survival counteracts
You know that's demonstrably false right?

Capitalism, the peak of competitive class behavour (maybe besides imperial systems) has produced the only period in history where complete strangers around the world can actaully have mutually beneficial relations despite being of different race, religion, geography, intelligence, class etc. Just look at how a pencil is made and the sheer amount of mutually beneficial cooperation it breeds around the world...a fucking pencil!

As to this battle of survival, how is it that with different outcomes (I guess you could call this creating classes) in Capitalism, do we pull so many people out of poverty and breed peace if it's a "battle of survival". When a more accurate description is that through the mutual need for survival we cooperate, create and produce, this is win-win whereas plunder and taking peoples stuff....is a win-lose battle of survival and supremacy.

I don't know any other win-win system, Communists tried with the public pool of the fruits of peoples labour and it still bred win-lose interactions as people were punished for working harder if you know what i mean at least by a few recorded attempts.

Eastern europe was in a much better shape under the rule of USSR, save for, arguably, Slovenia, Romania, Poland and Czech

This get helicopter'ed faggot OP.

Read Solzhenitsyn you stupid faggot

Easy answer
>Communism, No
>Socialism, Maybe

Why?
History.

>following the teaching of the greatest economist in history, and the greatest philosopher since Kant is repeating "old drag things"

Read a book friend!

>sjws are commonists

Nope, they are just conservatives rebbeling against their parents. In 20 years from now they will be neo-boomers

Communism is inherently doomed to failure because it robs humanity of its own face and only wants to create bugmen without personality and all of their potential shattered.

Technological advances only happen due those with gifts being pressured by punishment of death.

you will only receive advancement at the cost of the advancers heart and soul.

you will find no humanity in the communist state

The Gulag archipelago is not based on facts, but on folklore and second hand accounts of dubious reports. Even his own wife said it was "a work of fiction".

You can look it up.

And what is the problem with imprisoning those who work to undermine our country? Maybe you agree with trudeau? We shouldn't kill our enemies?

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>Communism is inherently doomed to failure because it robs humanity of its own face and only wants to create bugmen without personality and all of their potential shattered.
Many people would use this to describe capitalism.

>Technological advances only happen due those with gifts being pressured by punishment of death.

USSR went from backwater shithole to the first nation in space under socialism

>you will find no humanity in the communist state

Ask anyone who lived in both USSR and Russia this question.

>Russian women during USSR -> doctors, athletes, engineers, housewifes, workers
>Russian women now -> cheap whores for the whole europe

Dog Bless capitalism!

This is most likely the truth. The problem is that overburden that falls on the people providing for the system means those who are overburdened can decide to no longer participate. Then you have the issue of the overburdened leveraging their work against the system which provides for those who can't produce the results or capital necessary to keep the system functioning any more.

This is mostly true. Communism is a parasitic ideology. It requires a prosperous host in order to function. Israel lives off of foreign aid for instance. I consider the military to technically be functioning communism. And look how expensive Jews and the military are. Quite simply put the world can't afford successfully communism at a first world living standard. The reason we can't have star trek is that we are not post scarcity and we don't have magical infinite production without labor. Non gulag communism for everyone only works in imagination land sorry Bern victims. That and you can't have free nice shit and nigger or Jews. These things are mutually exclusive.

THIS

Gommunism gud
FRe moni

I would like to hear OP's arguments for communism and why it would work.

If there was a way to prevent the concentration of power in the hands of a ruling elite then yes.

But since someone must act as the architect and overseer of the redistribution of resources that is impossible.

At least that is what you meatbags believe.

Agreed.

But there are cases where Socialism worked well.
Look at Yugoslavia, everybody here seems to ignore it, the country functioned fucking good for 35 years.
>Why 35? Yugoslavia lasted till 1992, get your math right faggot.
No, it didn't, everyone knew already when Tito died so will Yugoslavia, because a socialistic country without a true leader will never run, look at che guevara and his socialism....

>If there was a way to prevent the concentration of power in the hands of a ruling elite then yes.
Communism. Elites exist because they can amass large properties and capital. If private property was forbidden, then how could someone amass power?

A.i. overlord is then capable of making communism work? Terminator when?

So it really boils down to an impartial system that can't be tampered with after it is created. You need an infallible computer or network of computers which oversee humanity. Or some kind of program to choose the most virtuously minded and also reluctant candidate. Because they would both need to want to help but not want to be in that position of power to not exploit the influence it brings. Politicians unfortunately pursue their careers because they know it is lucrative or affords them power over the common man.

> worked well
> yugoslavia
Lol. Well I guess not going full retard and full starvation mode is an improvement...

Even without private property immeasurable power rests in the hands of those overseeing the distribution of goods.

>A.i. overlord is then capable of making communism work? Terminator when?

That's what I said human.

It was fine

Was an anti-meritocratic shit hole. But I guess that happens when my family flees it due to its problems and your family stays to enjoy the benefits of the union and the party amirite?

Look at North Korea. Experiment over.

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Tell me, which year did they flee?

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60s & 70s, not 40s. Is that okay?

Lad, I'd wager that more people left in the last 5 years than during the whole of yugoslavia. We lost literally everything once the westerners destroyed our little haven. We do have better material goods now I'll give you that.

No stop pretending it will commie fuck.

Commie tears:
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I live in constant disappointment with the direction Australia & Croatia have gone for the last 100 years.

We really weren't that bad during Tito's years. Did you ever sit down with your family and ask why exactly they left?

60s and 70s people already knew that it will go to shit.

When you declare 'to each according to his need', someone is eventually gonna start asking 'do you really NEED that?'.The destruction of private industry, a planned economy and the need to see to the needs of a population of seven billion people with finite resources equally all mean the absolute upfuckery of anything resembling a niche/specialty consumer market and the reduction of the quality of goods to at best, a tedious minimum standard of functionality designed to fit the needs of the lowest common denominator. Sucks if you're into tabletop gaming like I am, where a lot of the variety in a shop comes from small companies, a lot of them crowdfunded in some way.

The communist future is basically one where you go to wal-mart and everything that isn't store brand has been removed, and wal mart is the only place to buy your shit.

But their power is immensely diminished, because they can't amass wealth themselves.

>niches will not be possible in a socialist society

Communism means people VOLUNTARILY working for the benefit of others. The moment FORCE is applied to make people conform, it is no longer communism. It is tyranny by dictators. The very fact that some people are authorized to use force against others means that everyone is NOT equal. The wishes and desires and yes, even the rights, of some people are deemed to be superior to those of others. People who advocate communism actually want a dictatorship, with themselves in the role of dictator. If they really believed in people freely giving to others, they could be communists by VOLUNTARILY giving their own money away. Those who want communism are merely trying to hide their thieving, lying, murderous intentions under a very thin fake skin of caring for others.

Yeah, I ended up chatting with all the oldies about their war stories and it led into why their families immigrated. The consensus was the lack of social mobility and opportunity, they went to Australia for work and to raise families. There was also a lot of talk of fear and this strange feeling of not having control of their lives, which seemed really anathema to these guys, I mean they came here started farms, got into building trades etc and they said that where they were used to a culture of getting married early and building a house, the control and lack of opportunity was choking. The best way they could explain is was the party being like a government of union officials.

Now granted I do know a bunch of these guys have pretty Ustase style lineage & views but a lot just gave up after a number years and went elsewhere for opportunity.

Yeah I get what they mean. It's quite hilarious that they got what they wanted now. All the little villages are dying, nobody is getting married early and you can forget about building let alone owning a house. Thanks for sharing their story.

No worries. I think they wished that their little towns stayed that way, getting married, making something for yourself, but it seemed to change when they were young so they left and did the same thing here.

Is there any hope for Croatia these days? I haven't paid attention for a few years now.

Not at all. We're on a downward spiral and it won't get better. We're all pretty much just waiting for the next war.

but how many white people died

>Moving the goalposts from communism to socialism

So are you actually going to refute what I said?