Anime Producer Explains Why Second Seasons Don't Happen

Henry Taylor
Henry Taylor

Anime Producer Explains Why Second Seasons Don't Happen

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If a manga is selling by the truckloads, then it has it made! Naturally, people will start expecting a second season. Even if the manga sells, but not a even 1 yen goes back to the anime company → the Blu-ray discs do not sell → there is no way a second season will be made.

What if you sell a lot of licensed merchandise from the show? Royalties from anime merchandise is just a small percentage of the total revenue. If you sell 10 million yen worth of merchandise, only a few hundred thousand yen will go to the anime company. If you do not sell a lot of merchandise, then it would not be a large sum. In the end, it is tough if the Blu-ray discs do not sell.

A second season being brought up by a production committee only happens in the best cases. Most committees do not even talk about a second season. They look at the 3rd or 4th Blu-ray volume and calculate if they can minimize their losses. Even streaming, which was supposed to be a ray of hope, is not strong enough to be a money maker...

Some heavy stuff. It really doesn't matter how popular an anime is, how much critics love it, or how deep the story is. If those Blu-rays don't sell, your fav show will never get anything more than a single season.

Luke Lopez
Luke Lopez

We already had this thread yesterday and all the days before.

implying BD sales matters

Angel Nguyen
Angel Nguyen

So what the fuck DOES matter? The way it was phrased it comes off as if "we're just trying to minimize losses all the time".

John Rodriguez
John Rodriguez

If those Blu-rays don't sell, your fav show will never get anything more than a single season.
Yeah I know that.

Ryder Myers
Ryder Myers

                         M A N D O M

Mason Phillips
Mason Phillips

Anime industrys business model is horrible, we already know that.
Lets hope it crashes soon so it can revamp itself.

Brayden Reed
Brayden Reed

Anime is a stagnant industry, more news at eleven. What's funny is streamfags thinking you're 'supporting' the industry by paying for simulcasts. Bet most kids nowadays don't remember or even know the roots of crunchyroll.

Isaac Jackson
Isaac Jackson

The manga that the company will sell after the season advertised it enough.

Charles James
Charles James

Fuck

Aaron Scott
Aaron Scott

Then what about those shows that sell a lot of BDs but don't get a S2 or even an OVA?

I'm looking at you, Maou-sama.

Evan Cox
Evan Cox

keep making one season animes that don't sell blu-rays
instead of just doubling down on good franchises and building an actual fanbase

William Fisher
William Fisher

1st season sells well
every following season sells less and less because new animes always sell more

Levi Gutierrez
Levi Gutierrez

maybe don't make shit anime with predictable second (and usually first) seasons

Brody Sullivan
Brody Sullivan

fujo pandering

Elijah Hall
Elijah Hall

I think that we all realize we each of us are already aware that everybody knew that this is common knowledge by now

Brody King
Brody King

Then why did SZS get three seasons?

Levi Rodriguez
Levi Rodriguez

What is advertising?

Sebastian Roberts
Sebastian Roberts

charge $100 for two episodes
complain about low sales

Austin King
Austin King

If Anime produces are mainly relying on BD Sales they are doing it horribly wrong

Gabriel Cruz
Gabriel Cruz

I have never understood why they think this is a good plan.

Isaiah White
Isaiah White

Because if they sell for 10 bucks you won't get 10 times as much sales.

Logan Jackson
Logan Jackson

Don't studios need to pay stations to air their shows on TV, not the other way around in Japan? Also, a major problem is that they're still stuck in a 70s/80s business model for the most part, where they rely on a heavy niche group to pay for their expenses, even though anime is in no way niche anymore.

Jayden Nelson
Jayden Nelson

No I mean selling the series in chunks like that before releasing the full box.

Logan Richardson
Logan Richardson

Outside few exceptions like Ghibli, anime is very niche in Japan

Adrian Smith
Adrian Smith

anime is very niche in Japan

I sometimes think most of Sup Forums doesn't realize this. Manga isn't niche but anime is outside of morning/kid shows.

Isaac Lewis
Isaac Lewis

Tl;dr easily summarizes in "hurr durr it's because money duh", it's not rocket science.

Kevin Bell
Kevin Bell

A second season being brought up by a production committee only happens in the best cases. Most committees do not even talk about a second season. They look at the 3rd or 4th Blu-ray volume and calculate if they can minimize their losses. Even streaming, which was supposed to be a ray of hope, is not strong enough to be a money maker...

Even streaming, which was supposed to be a ray of hope, is not strong enough to be a money maker...
Despite the pants on head retarded business decisions that some japanese companies make, this is interesting.

Wherever or whenever you spend your dollaroos is up to you, but if you can buy something and choose not to, its equally pants on head retarded bitching on "s2 when?" threads.

Adam Richardson
Adam Richardson

revenues at all-time high
increased when disc sales went down

really makes you think

Austin Smith
Austin Smith

How much western studios are reliant on bd sales?
They all seem to make most of their money before that stage.

Justin Brown
Justin Brown

Well that's already a thing. I mean, look at all the stuff that gets good time slots.

Anime industrys business model is horrible, we already know that.
Lets hope it crashes soon so it can revamp itself.
It WILL happen, just a matter of time. The question is what will come afterwards. That's the scary part.

Michael Anderson
Michael Anderson

internet distribution is dwarfed by pachinko

Christian Richardson
Christian Richardson

That exactly how business works user.

1.Minimize loss as much as possible
2.Profit

Lincoln Robinson
Lincoln Robinson

If anime BDs were a third or less of the ungodly prices they go for here in the west I'd probably own dozens of shows, but I am just not going to pay $50 for 3 episodes.

Grayson Gray
Grayson Gray

I am just not going to pay $50 for 3 episodes.
That's the biggest issue.

No fucking shit they want people to buy blu-rays, if every fan forked over $200 for one season of course a show will be successful. That's a horrible expectation to have though.

Carson Bailey
Carson Bailey

$50 for 3 episodes.
see

Jaxon Reed
Jaxon Reed

I confess I have almost never imported BDs from moonland, most of the BDs I have are localized BDs from Rightstuf or Amazon since they're considerably cheaper. OSTs and mango on the other hand are a different manner.

Mason Parker
Mason Parker

the roots of crunchyroll
what

Jeremiah Johnson
Jeremiah Johnson

t. piratescum who thinks he is above anyone in life.

Just wallow in your filth. Don't pretend you are anybody in life.

Xavier Wood
Xavier Wood

Fuck off crunchy.

Jackson Robinson
Jackson Robinson

Studios make their money off being paid by channel owners (some get cuts of advertisement revenue) or via ticket sales.

Adrian Cruz
Adrian Cruz

Crunchyshit started out as a streaming site where people simply uploaded fansubs.

Lucas Hernandez
Lucas Hernandez

I thought this was common knowledge

Liam Walker
Liam Walker

Anime producers are getting more and more rich. The trick is to now spam-create as many anime shows as possible and sell them to streaming companies worldwide for license money.
China is the most hungriest hippo willing to pay the most for it.

Brody Howard
Brody Howard

Basically anime has to be made for dumb fanatic groups who will actually pay the sort of money companies expect meaning endless waves of the same bland shit that only idiots of the kind that post on Sup Forums would even consider buying as a business model. I didn't really need an executive to explain the obvious and why anime that uses this stupid business model is garbage but thanks I guess.

Gavin Sanchez
Gavin Sanchez

water is wet
Gee whiz who would have thought that if BDs don't sell, a second season isn't likely.

Ryan Miller
Ryan Miller

All I know is the Western anime audience was less rock stupid and concerned with the trivialities of discussing yuri vs yaoi and who the best girl is before social media and Crunchyroll. Crunchyroll and it's community really did it's part in dumbing all this shit down.

Robert Rogers
Robert Rogers

It doesn't and doesn't care cause it's full of retarded shitposters.

Charles Thomas
Charles Thomas

I feel like I've read this exact same thread with the same arguments a myriad of times already.

Has everyone become so boring that they repeat the same old shit every month?

Justin Gutierrez
Justin Gutierrez

Welcome to Sup Forums.
Enjoy your stay.

Asher Gutierrez
Asher Gutierrez

The question is what will come afterwards
Can it be worse than what it is right now?

Samuel Kelly
Samuel Kelly

Cause the whole idol concert event business is doing okay, meanwhile traditional sources of revenue for late night anime continue to struggle mightily except for the stuff bolstered by fanatics groups which again is typically idol/LN/VN based anime. I'd argue even the majority of the LN/VN base of support is struggling other than a handful of franchises, most of which have the anime adaptation rights entirely locked up by Aniplex and friends who essentially ARE the late night anime industry at this point with everyone else just fighting for table scraps and not to go bankrupt.

Of course all of this shit should be incredibly obvious and known at this point yet every few weeks like most of what happens on Sup Forums everyone's memory seems to reset and it's back to having the same discussions and comments like there's some earth shattering revelation going on. My theory is that the anime fanbase is just full of pod people now.

Cameron Myers
Cameron Myers

anime is dead guys
I'm serious this time
what do you mean revenue is going up while BD sales are going down?

Jonathan Murphy
Jonathan Murphy

The anime industry is becoming as one dimensional as it's music industry, but considering they're essentially run by the same companies quite literally these days that's hardly surprising. Japanese media culture is just boring now, everyone kind of knows it when looking at the state of the fanbase too but just refuses to admit it.

Cameron Ramirez
Cameron Ramirez

Yeah concert and pachinko revenues being up makes the late night shows so much more awesome to watch. Clearly there must always be a direct correlation there.

Leo Stewart
Leo Stewart

It's because you have and Sup Forums has been cycling through the same bland shitposts for months now. It's like it must always stay just one step ahead of anime in the shit factor. Anime is boring cyclical shit so Sup Forums must be even more so.

Ethan Sanders
Ethan Sanders

Money is objective, taste is subjective.

oh no anime doesn't pander to me anymore

Camden Jenkins
Camden Jenkins

What if animators made a union to stop the slave wage practise?

Jeremiah Rodriguez
Jeremiah Rodriguez

Good studios tend to fix errors, which takes time. And I assume they want to release the first volume while the show is still relevant.

Lucas Price
Lucas Price

Nip otaku do the whole anime watching, joining concerts and gathering in Akihabara to visit the latest otaku-trendy cafe shops and buying cute clothes to socialize with their fellow otaku, play video games that have those anime characters in it as a special collaboration effort, buy merchandise to post it on the social media and so on.
It is its own subculture after all.

Meanwhile, Sup Forumsnons only have each other anonymous shitposts for company while watching anime and getting more jaded.

Samuel Adams
Samuel Adams

This nigger is shilling his shitty website. Report and move on.

Connor Young
Connor Young

It's quite ovbios really movies work the exact same but in this case is movie tickets what green lights a second or third movie.

Luis Perez
Luis Perez

What's worse is that some companies like Konami go the extra mile to be financially retarded, and charge Blu-Ray prices for DVDs of roughly the same quantity of content.

Do Nips even own DVD players anymore?

Robert Perry
Robert Perry

Of course they do.

Aiden Morgan
Aiden Morgan

This is nichijou all over again.
hey guys, this series is awesome, LOL's everywhere, people love it!!

Eyes of producers/companies shining like mad. "it's popular eh? charge 'em full, made'em pay us through their noses!!"
"I-i-i-i-its not selling sempai!!! fuck'em then, no S2 fucking poor people"

Really, some japanese businessmen are inflexible as fuck on their tunnel-vision views of the japanese market, let alone the global market

Benjamin Jenkins
Benjamin Jenkins

hey guys, this series is awesome, LOL's everywhere, people love it!!
Eyes of producers/companies shining like mad. "it's popular eh? charge 'em full, made'em pay us through their noses!!"
"I-i-i-i-its not selling sempai!!! fuck'em then, no S2 fucking poor people"
What the fuck are you saying? You make it sound like some sort of specific scheme to exploit Nichijou's popularity.

Really, some japanese businessmen are inflexible as fuck on their tunnel-vision views of the japanese market, let alone the global market
Funny how no one ever has any argument for this except "I'm a random Westerner on the internet and I'm sure better at business strategies for the anime market than literally everyone who's made a career out of it."

Asher Russell
Asher Russell

For reference crunchyshit does not give directly to the studios. They give a small share to the publishers who hold the licenses, which are behind most of the series most anime get made of - the likes of Kadokawa, Pony Canyon etc, who are already swimming in money, as well as the network TV Tokyo. Your crunchyshit bucks do not go into the pockets of Ema-like animators at silver link or dogakobo or whatever studio you fancy, it goes to those peoples' bosses' bosses' boss's pockets.

Original anime do get to keep a lot of money from merchandise sales by the way. Gainax made bank off Eva, Shaft off Madoka etc on top of BD sales. Shaft made bank off the monogataris only because they sell so well in BDs. The risk of doing an original, since you would think everyone should spam originals given they make money off holding their IP, is that a failed original is a money black hole that can sink a studio. Studios get money from contracts for doing series as bids from publishers, they at least have production covered a lot of the time. This is why adaptation contracts are done so often, they are subsidized hence safer. It is how Gonzo managed to keep making seried after series despite producing nonstop flops for years and years, etc.

Gabriel Harris
Gabriel Harris

If they stubbornly stick to the same business plan, while complaining that they never make any money, then you don't have to be a businessman to realize they're morons.

Alexander Brown
Alexander Brown

while complaining that they never make any money
They do make money overall, obviously, that's why the business exists. Many shows don't do well, though, and that's simply how it works - TV anime has never been Hollywood. But the industry overall does better now than before, and there's no indication that the increased prices (which were implemented in the first place precisely because they raised revenue overall) are causing any sort of issues. You're just seeing prices that you wouldn't want to pay for and assuming that that means it's a bad business model.

Brayden Foster
Brayden Foster

Crunchyroll did? What the fuck are you on about, all of Sup Forums is basically NGE/LOGH threads, best waifu threads, Your(instert waifu) for the night threads and whatever show is airing right now threads. Nothing but pure shit.

Nicholas James
Nicholas James

Wrong, stop spreading bullshit.

Adrian Hill
Adrian Hill

waifu as general term for anime girl
discussing airing shows is bad
pretending LoGH has anywhere near as many threads as even random battle shounen manga
Found the cancer.

Jonathan Davis
Jonathan Davis

Prove it. Read directly from CR they hsve deals with TV Tokyo and thr publishers. They also absolutely give money covering production costs for contracts unless it is a in house from up the chain, like A-1 or Sunrise.

Josiah Lee
Josiah Lee

Guys what if like instead of the normal disc sales model, they make it so you need to play pachinko to get the discs; if you're really lucky you could pay less than current average prices, but if you're NOT, you could end up paying significantly more, and apparently they're all into pachinko so this could actually work?

Matthew Watson
Matthew Watson

Shut up, Sup Forums is cancer. Not even sturgeon's law can save this abomination of a board. 99% of all the threads on any given time on Sup Forums are pure garbage. You must have shitty standards to consider anything on here good or insightful.

Jaxson Lee
Jaxson Lee

Sup Forums preferentially talks about new shows because everything else has been talked about a million times beforehand, this isn't really anything new.

Joseph Scott
Joseph Scott

If you're aware of somewhere better you're free to leave.

Ethan Wilson
Ethan Wilson

I dont mind those threads, but every other thread but those is garabge though. Might as well be a board for horny 15 year old kids, no difference.

Aaron Butler
Aaron Butler

This is Sup Forums, you're here forever.

Xavier Mitchell
Xavier Mitchell

Stop moving the goal post you damn faggot. Sup Forums is shit period and i will do as i please.

Josiah Young
Josiah Young

You can't be assed to even check the catalog to see how wrong you are. You are not even cancer, cancer is just an undesirable element that is at least part of the board. You talk clearly like someone from /co/ or /tv/ who has no idea how the board works and only spouts a distorted caricature of it that is dismantled by several minutes of looking through threads with discussion, which is probably like 130-40 threads on the board, instead of cherry pick like 2 bad threads and assert the whole board is exactly that.

John Davis
John Davis

I'm not even trying to argue with you here mate. I'm just saying if you don't like it here then why be here?

Carter Martinez
Carter Martinez

read the first sentence
Wrong.

Easton Hill
Easton Hill

There is no good alternative.

Justin Hernandez
Justin Hernandez

Luckily there is about 1% left that isnt complete trash. So i frequent those threads or the occasional good one with an intereesting premise. Other than that most of this seems to be mindless shit that i talked about when i was in middle school.

Isaiah Martin
Isaiah Martin

Have you tried committing sudoku yet?

Andrew Bell
Andrew Bell

I tried r/anime and while they do have better taste than this shithole of a board, the traffic seems to be way slower on non seasonal threads and people are a bit too nice and dishonest there.

Jonathan Collins
Jonathan Collins

BD sales dont matter, the LN is selling like hotcakes and so is the merchandise
anime producer comes out and says buy more BD you retards
so which is it?

Ayden Reyes
Ayden Reyes

I'd rather trust someone in the industry than some random guy on Sup Forums who """"had a job in the industry""""

Michael Lee
Michael Lee

The anime producer. LN/manga selling like hotcakes doesn't mean shit to the company producing the anime since they're not getting a cut of LN/manga profits and like it said merchandise doesn't lead to as much profit as people think it does.

BDs

Joshua Martin
Joshua Martin

How many have bought Berserk Blue-Rays?

John Campbell
John Campbell

Everyone knows this. In fact people are so obsessed with the idea that they continually parrot how much Japan reviles and/or ignores anime, how weeaboos get their dreams crushed when they travel there (even though the place is goddamn full of anime related stuff).

Austin Butler
Austin Butler

Every $100 basically buys 1-2 keyframes, you are basically sponsoring the animation itself rather than just buying a bluray, it's also an extremely niche hobby, so each anime is almost like it's being made specifically for you.

Brandon Adams
Brandon Adams

No worries guys. China is their hope, so much money is waiting to be spend on anime through streaming and merch.

Brayden Hughes
Brayden Hughes

What the fuck are you saying? You make it sound like some sort of specific scheme to exploit Nichijou's popularity.
Nichijou was famous for the outrageous BD prices. This was mentioned across "s2 when?" therads
Funny how no one ever has any argument for this except "I'm a random Westerner on the internet and I'm sure better at business strategies for the anime market than literally everyone who's made a career out of it."

implying.
I'm not saying that I know best. I worked for a less than a year for a client that happened to be a japanese company. Everybody in the US offices told me to be extra patient because japanese business decisions, even the basic ones, take at least twice the time compared to that of traditional US companies.

But ok, maybe Nichijou's BD werent so expensive, maybe they had wild sales expectations like those of crapcom or squeenix, and once they could not reach it the problems began.

Benjamin Roberts
Benjamin Roberts

Wasn't it a trash anime? I haven't watched it yet, I would only purchase blurays of anime I truly love that have lowish sales. If it's an extremely popular anime it doesn't need any more support.

Sebastian Sanchez
Sebastian Sanchez

It was trash, so it probably won't sell much. It's still confirmed to get a second season though.

Anthony Foster
Anthony Foster

Explain Terraformars.

Benjamin Nguyen
Benjamin Nguyen

Charge $100 USD for a disk that contains 2-3 episodes
Act surprised when they don't sell

SASUGA NIPS

Hudson Watson
Hudson Watson

so each anime is almost like it's being made specifically for you.
Never thought about it like that before.

Justin Johnson
Justin Johnson

the producer literally just said streaming and merch dont matter

Austin Lewis
Austin Lewis

Yes.

Jonathan Cook
Jonathan Cook

Home video sales determine was gets made
Shocker.

Justin Gutierrez
Justin Gutierrez

almost everyone in the anime industry is being exploited

William Hernandez
William Hernandez

[citation needed]

Ryan Anderson
Ryan Anderson

western animation
blu-ray
My FUCKING SIDES. Very few shows even get video releases at all, and even fewer get fully released on DVD. Literally nothing outside of Disney, Pixar, and DreamWorks gets Blu-ray.

Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson

Sup Forums knows how 2nd seasons are made
don't do what it takes to get 2nd seasons
It's like you guys don't even care.

Robert Lewis
Robert Lewis

anime that uses this stupid business model is garbage
You mean literally everything in the past 20-30 years? I'm not even sure "literally" is an exaggeration in this case.

Ian Nelson
Ian Nelson

Just some more gib me dats hiroshimas shilling for money

Bentley Collins
Bentley Collins

hardly even 1k bds get sold
1k
if you assume that's per person, that's only a mere fraction of viewers
I know there's no real incentive to buy because you can just pirate it, but come on. Really?

Carter Baker
Carter Baker

If those Blu-rays don't sell..
Ignorant question: why make the bluray prices so goddamn expensive?
And that not only for blurays, audio cds are crazy expensive too, no wonder they need to inject 'japanese special bonus" to keep their local customers to buy the stuff they want by import.

Carson Wood
Carson Wood

This is super-common knowledge that I'm pretty sure was also posted itt.

Austin Rogers
Austin Rogers

Because it's a niche product. Lowering the price does not get a proportional increase in sales. The hardcore otaku's demand is not price elastic while the larger audience do not buy BDs even if the price falls significantly, so by the end of the day, reducing the price simply does not increase overall profit. It's why kid shows like precure do not rely on discs sales and instead focus on merch.

Brandon Brooks
Brandon Brooks

yeah sorry if this has been mentioned before, didn't skim through the thread.

Cooper Morgan
Cooper Morgan

overprice the absolute fuck out of shows
wonder why it doesn't sell
oy vey shut it down no second season for you because you can't earn me 5 gorillion trillion dollars
god i hate japan, its such a fucking shithole with a completely cancerous tumor of a society

Jason Ross
Jason Ross

Educate yourself first before spouting retarded crap.

Hunter Gomez
Hunter Gomez

maybe if literally everything from the bottom up wasn't designed by memes from /pol/ things would be different, go look up their society, their entire society is cancer of the highest degree where people kill themselves in mass because they are run by a gigantic pack of superjews.

Luke Hall
Luke Hall

Because it's a niche product
So in general, besides anime, blurays dvds of f.e western or local series/movies are not selling either?
Is the Japanese "culture" not keen on buying movies/series?
I mean for me in europe buying and probably for the rest of the world it's kinda common to often buy blurays/dvds.

And how can a "staple" local product be so niche in their own country?

I once heard a thing about high taxes on entertainment products, like in brazil with video games. Is it the same here?

Connor Torres
Connor Torres

And how can a "staple" local product be so niche in their own country?

Owen Perry
Owen Perry

So in general, besides anime, blurays dvds of f.e western or local series/movies are not selling either?
Is the Japanese "culture" not keen on buying movies/series?
The fuck are you talking about? Why are you comparing late night anime's BDs with normalfag media? The entire bloody point is that these are niche products, hence the price. Local series and movies aren't niche. And the anime we're talking about here aren't staples. Staples would be shit like sazae-san.

Liam Gutierrez
Liam Gutierrez

it's a no one knows really anything about the industry and everyone's just talking out of their asses thread

Andrew Clark
Andrew Clark

I shouldn't have read the comments.
Maybe they shouldn't charge so much for Blu-rays if they want them to sell? I'm not going to buy 3 episodes for $50 when Kissanime works just fine. If Blu-rays aren't making money, stop making them and focus on streaming. It feels like these studios are just sitting there doing nothing and expecting fans to do everything for their lazy asses.

Wyatt King
Wyatt King

'japanese special bonus"
There is some really nice fucking stuff in Japanese Special Editions, I'll have you know. That Beatles documentary, 8 Days a Week, has an awesome special-edition with posters, a pamphlet filled with info, and a shirt with a gorgeous case.
CDs actually aren't that expensive in Japan (only slightly more than the U.S.), and Single CDs are still popular at roughly $8 a pop. Albums usually cost $10-$20, but some Soundtracks can cost more than that, yeah. Even "mainstream" shows cost a lot; certain dramas cost as much as a typical anime box-set (which is obviously a MUCH better deal than the original volumes-1-through-9 release), around $100 for a show 11-25 episodes long. Books are extremely cheap, though, even for good quality. Books here are much more expensive, but vanilla Blu-rays for movies cost as much as five-disc combo-packs here. No particular reason in some cases.

Hunter Campbell
Hunter Campbell

Why are you comparing late night anime's BDs with normalfag media?
Because Japanese "normalfag media" are also pretty expensive compared to other countries.
As for "staples", he was saying that home media is a staple. Please become an exegete before making a fool of yourself.

Aiden Bennett
Aiden Bennett

That's clearly including all anime though, not late night otaku anime we watch. Merchandising is great for shows like Anpanman and horrible for shows like Magical Girl Matoi

and as OP already explained royalties from anime merchandise is a small percentage because the manufacturers and distributors take the lion's share.

I've tried to explain this to you retards time and time again but I keep getting met with the argument 'I buy merchandise so it's ok that I pirate' which doesn't work.

Brayden Kelly
Brayden Kelly

we

Nathan Nelson
Nathan Nelson

And yet revenue and the number of shows increase while BD sales decrease. Explain that.

Daniel Fisher
Daniel Fisher

Which paragraph?

Adrian King
Adrian King

This is bullshit because it's not like animation studios exist in a vacuum. When related goods sell resulting from an anime adaptation, the people who publish these series pay for additional anime to be produced.

Isaac Hill
Isaac Hill

They should go back to the way OVAs worked in the 80s. I'd have so much more incentive to buy a BD if it weren't aired on TV first.

Owen Perry
Owen Perry

Isn't that old as fuck?

Carter Thompson
Carter Thompson

Yeah, I just noticed that the writer decided to dig up year-old tweets.

David Barnes
David Barnes

Neat

Nolan Fisher
Nolan Fisher

Japanese media culture is just boring now, everyone kind of knows it when looking at the state of the fanbase too but just refuses to admit it.
Is that why the Koreans are taking over in that aspect?

Bentley Bennett
Bentley Bennett

Back in the 90s when I first got into anime, I actually bought it on dvd. You could download it back then too, but it was in really shitty quality.

But then the quality starting getting better and I stopped having to buy them. Same with music. I'll never spend money on that stuff, even if I like it. If anime 'dies', I'll feel bad but that's about it. I can't help it, the urge to not spend money on something I can get for free is too great. It's the same with video games.

On the bright side, if anime goes to shit at least I'll finally be out of reasons to not kill myself.

Benjamin Evans
Benjamin Evans

pachinko

Charles Howard
Charles Howard

$10 is kind of low, but $300 is pretty high

Something like $30/volume might work better

Also bluray is user-hostile shit

Nathaniel Phillips
Nathaniel Phillips

This.

Thomas Bailey
Thomas Bailey

I find live entertainment all the sudden showing up in 2013 pretty funny as well. What is that, like the bleach theater shit or tv adaptions? Why all the sudden in 2013?

Jeremiah Nguyen
Jeremiah Nguyen

Why are they not streaming it themselves? No paid subscription, only ad revenue like youtube. They would get 100% of the views their animes usally get at least. Wouldn't it be profitable?

Parker Cox
Parker Cox

Why buy BD's when you can just be satisfied enough through watching the stream?

Carter Nelson
Carter Nelson

Is there really that many people buying BD who don't watch it first on the internet/tv? Even the ones who do, what would possibly change? It's not like it's not already available on the internet (illegaly or not). Someone got some numbers? Pretty sure the illegal part must be huge as fuck.

Jack Lee
Jack Lee

Pirating is really looked down upon in japan. It's completely different from here. That isn't to say people don't pirate, but it's viewed as a inexcusable degenerate activity that is unacceptable to society.

Ryan Long
Ryan Long

Honestly, i have the feeling they are losing money. I lives in a french speaking country. Dragon ball super is really huge, even with the normies. Of course there's an official distribution but most of them don't buy it because even 1 euro is too much for a streaming. They must know better than me what they are doing but all i know is that illegal streaming make for a big part of the views.

Dylan Sanders
Dylan Sanders

I know about as much as you do, so I can only speculate. Whatever I know I've learned from knowing japanese and browsing japanese web sites. There is probably money to be made streaming somehow, but the market is so niche in japan that funding anime through streaming could only ever hurt it by cannibalizing BD sales. So the most you'll see of streaming in japan is through nico nico for older anime that don't need BD sales anymore.

As for in the west, if 1 euro is too much to pay to watch anime then they probably view it as anime just not being worth it outside of japan. It's hard to compete when your competition is the same thing but free. Even ad supported I can only imagine that it would work for only the most popular normalfag anime.

Bottom line, to japan only BD sales matter. It is the lifeblood of most anime, for better or worse.

Adrian Williams
Adrian Williams

LN/manga/etc. source material sells really well
anime rushes through the first two volumes, skipping important content
botch the climax, with poorly explained character actions, and shit pacing to make the scenes drag
also includes anime original filler episodes

So where's my option to get a second season....or even a remake of the series from the begining, from a competent group of people who know what the fuck they are doing?

If the anime sells like shit meanwhile the source material sells well, that just means the adaptation was complete dogshit. Unlike other forms of companies looking to make a quick buck by selling a completely unsatisfactory product by using the name of a good product, people actually get to watch the damn series BEFORE they pony up money for the BD. It's insulting as a customer that companies haven't realized that part yet.

pls support the series so we can anime the "good stuff" at a later date in an additional season!
how about fuck you, and put out a season that is worth watching in the first place!?

Ayden Reyes
Ayden Reyes

No, it's bullshit because it's bullshit. The anime company gets paid by the committee, not by selling the BDs. The committee will include the property owner, so it will take a view including the profits from manga/LN sales and merchandising. Look at Chihayafuru, the BDs sold poorly but the print media sales boomed so it got a second season.

Easton Harris
Easton Harris

They are probably just desperate to make payroll. If BD sales are the only revenue stream, that shit needs to be flowing so that you can make it to the end of each cour.

Eli Martin
Eli Martin

So this thread is utterly useless, and everyone here discussing about buying stuff or streaming is just rehashing old outdated shit that has nothing to do with the economic realities of 2016.

Man, for a board that always has new content to talk about, Sup Forums is ironically stuck in old shit.

Leo Cook
Leo Cook

That's the vocal minority. Japanese pirate a lot.

Isaiah White
Isaiah White

Maybe if you actually read the thread properly you'll find that people actually have also been talking about recent affairs too. The discussion is this thread has been more than just about what was in OP's link.

Before you condemn others, make sure you aren't committing the same mistake.

Asher Lopez
Asher Lopez

I don't disagree, but how do you even measure something like that to any degree of certainty? It's undeniable that the japanese in general view piracy very harshly. You can call this a "vocal minority" but unless you have any evidence proving that it is just baseless speculation. Arguments like "it's just a copy, it's not stealing" simply don't fly over there. They just view it as a thief making excuses for their crimes. The best pirates can do is come up with memes like "買うとか犯罪かよ", they don't even try to attempt at defending their actions.

The way I see it is that piracy is so looked down upon that even if regular people engage in it they just don't talk about it at all.

Cooper Reed
Cooper Reed

Have you ever downloaded something via Torrent? Lots of Japanese IPs you'll see there.
That it's looked down upon is a whole different matter. Who'd you go out on the street and shout into the world that you illegally download chinese cartoons? Probably not.

Joseph Gray
Joseph Gray

Absolutely nothing new or relevant has been posted at all in this thread. Nothing.

Elijah Jenkins
Elijah Jenkins

Pretty much everyone I know in real life casually discusses torrenting stuff all the time.

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