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Poor people fall for the consumerist tricks. Makes sense. I know people who live paycheck to paycheck despite making six figyas

>its ONLY for poor people and mega rich people with offshore bank accounts

Well trickle down economics have been proven a meme by wealthy bankers. That said regulated capitalism is the only way forward, not gommunism or socialism.

>Denmark
>commie faggot

everything checks out

They move it offshore because of high taxes in the first place, retard

If poor people stimulate the economy then wtf is going on in Africa? To many rich people?

Whats wrong with tax cuts for everyone?
i like the way the government has less money to waste on parasites

if everyone was poor, would everyone finally be able to create jobs and work for themselves?

do retards think people just keep money sitting in the bank doing nothing? you dont get rich just stock piling money, like what the fucking fuck.
you make money by taking capital and investing it into different avenues in order to increase capital. Any retard knows if you just stick money in a bank account and "stock pile" it, it just loses value over time due to inflation. Im literal retard who didnt even graduate college and probably used the wrong form of capital but even I understand how shit works. FUCK

It pretty much is. First off middle class are poor (despite americans lying to themselves) and small business owners are insignificantly small group.

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poor people can't handle money. news at 11.

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Free PDF of Thomas Sowell's Trickle Down Theory and Tax Cuts for the Rich. You're welcome.

kys commie subhuman

if i get laid off i can actually afford buy a business like the lease on a restaurant, shop etc.

costing 10 - 20k
and i still work a shit job it just doesn't have the risk running a business has and the profit margins are similar

It's called marginal propensity to consume. And it's a fact. Don't listen to republicucks

Despite "hoarding" that rich person will probably contribute more to the economy by buying a single expensive item than you do all year grubbing around in the muck.

>i like the way the government has less money to waste on parasites
this. I support everyone who's "evading" taxation. this keeps the government weak.

>Be poor
>Be jealous of rich people
>Think rich people horde cash money doing nothing with it
>Think nothing of investment and inflation
This is why you are poor.

he's most likely to invest that money into a business or buy stocks, etc. no one is going to let inflation eat away his fortune.
there's not enough niggers buying flat screen TVs from gibs to offset that

Problem with your presumption:

Most of those "rich" that get the tax cuts are small business owners. When they get more money, they almost always invest it into their companies. Investing in their company means buying needed equipment and hiring more workers. Both actions stimulate the economy.

Actual "Rich" people do not pay INCOME taxes. They are already getting taxed at a rate less than 20%, and the new tax cuts will not effect them.

The only "truly rich" people that are going to get more money back is pic related. That is people making a very high amount of money in very short, peculiar circumstances.

As long as the small business owners get a tax cut, economy will be stimulated.

The plan currently under discussion is 20% for corporate rates. That effectively half's corporation taxes. That will also stimulate the economy (meaning more jobs for everyone) as corporations will have more money available to do things like expand (to make more money).

If you want to stick it to the rich, you have to go after their income system. But that never happens, because Congress and their families make most of their money through the same means, since they are part of that uber 1% rich, at least by the time they leave, if not when they are first sworn in.

No retard. It's not that they can't handle money it's that they have needs that aren't met. They will literally buy necessities. Food, clothes, rent.

It does make sense, but there's more to it than that.
Two more points for you to consider:

• When the economy is booming, removing money from circulation is a good thing because it reduces inflation. Although this effect is reduced if they use offshore accounts because doing so tends to reduce the short term value of the currency.

• When poor people make more money, they're less likely to have to resort to false economies, and more likely to make themselves more productive.

Yet 80% of all jobs are created and paid for in the USA are by small businesses. How is that possible if small business owners were insignificant?

they often save to invest in a business venture or to hedge against the business being less profitable in the future.


can a leftist actually think that far ahead?

there are reasons to not flush away money on shit and the USSR actually banned people from doing this

>Millions of people buying a few items, or a rich guy buying a single luxury item
For real, how are you cheering for this? You are probably defined as one of the poor people who would benefit.

False, most of these people are not small business owners they are fuck faces who work at corporations and employ no one.

Sometimes people make decisions because they are better for everyone, instead of just themselves.
I realise it is a very difficult concept for you to understand but that's just how it is.

The old trickle down economics meme. You actually fell for that shit? The free market doesn't care about your thoughts on how it works, it just does. Shut your commie mouth get the fuck out of it's way.

>by wealthy bankers
Banker are the ones that push for demand side economics because the need inflation so they can keep giving out shitty loans

THIS IS SOME PARADOX SHIT. WHAT THE FUCK

>False, most of these people are not small business owners they are fuck faces who work at corporations and employ no one.

why is their bank account your problem?

Prove it. This is Sup Forums. Where's your infographics showing that the majority of people that make $750K/year are commodity traders and not Sub-S business owners who owns 3 roach coach food trucks trying to get her 4th truck?

The US federal governmet's IRS tells us every year that the vast majority of people that make large amounts of money via INCOME TAX are small business owners, because that's how small business owners file their taxes.

Commodity traders are not even paid a significant amount of money via payroll applicable taxes.

Most of the fat cat bankers and other extremely well paid people like CEOs, members of corporate boards, highly paid lawyers at international firms, etc are paid in ways that are not vulnerable to payroll taxes.

I haven't heard one thing about either proposal that would change that status quo of how the actual wealthy get their money.

He's a leftist. He thinks it is unfair that they won the job lottery, and earn 3 million in 2 years by making high risk trades.

He's likely one of those people that think just because a car sells for $50K, each of the 50 workers on the assembly line should earn $1K every time that car is sold in a dealership.

When rich people make money, they hoard some of it, then invest the rest into businesses that hire poor people that spend money.
Big surprise, leftists don't understand the ecosystem of currency

>trickle down
Why do people argue for or against trickle down? As long as everyone gets a tax cut why do you care?

It's literally envy being used against your best interests.
>do you want to pay 5% less in taxes
>yes
>but this other guy who makes more than you will also pay 5% less in taxes
>thanks government please keep more of my money

Just spending money doesnt do anything but transfer it. What matters is generating wealth by applying effort. Its the work the person does or doesnt do that stimulates the economy. Welfare for free doesnt do fucking anything but keep an unproductive person consuming, and taking a part of a productive persons effort away from them.

I swear leftists have a 8 year olds understanding of money and value.

Because tax money is taken from the rich. They don't need ago spend, capital gains tax and all those others. In fact like 90+% of all tax income the guberment gets is from the super wealthy.

>you become rich by spending more money

Taxes get so Progressive only a few are paying taxes. That few leaves.

Wtf?

Government cannot redistribute wealth.
Government can only redistribute poverty.

Where it sits in a bank. So cutting taxes for them in the USA will just give them more money to sir in a bank in the states.

Cutting taxes for the 1 percent is a fucking joke that will cause less investment. The ultra wealthy will have no need to invest their cash if you keep giving them more cash.

Taxes can be used to build infrastructure you idiot. Which then generates wealth, jobs, and investment

Liberals quite literally believe that everyone who works a job better than their part-time Starcucks position is a fat-cat with international holdings. If you own a business, you're bourgeoisie that should be killed and all of your wealth distributed among the negro tribes.

It's true. After a certain point, wealthy people only concentrate wealth rather than circulate it. Three people have more wealth together than billions combined as it is. A century ago, that'd be science fiction.

You're actually partly right, which is one of the things PRESIDENT TRUMP of the UNITED STATES is working to solve. He wants to punish businesses that hoard money and jobs offshores and reinvigorate the American economy. It's basically all he's talked about for 30 years, and his stance hasn't changed a bit.

The top 1 percent have more money than 90 percent of the country combined and you want to cut their taxes to put us more into debt.

Fucking moron. This tax plan was written by investment bankers.

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>As long as everyone gets a tax cut why do you care?
The jew-indoctrinated college liberals pay NOTHING in federal taxes. Doesn't matter how big of a tax break the working class gets, because these niggers don't work enough to pay taxes in the first place. So, like all good niggers, they get angry whenever someone else is getting gibs but they aren't.

Since the rich pay almost all of the taxes that pay for "their" welfare, they feel that taking less of other people's money from them to pay for their gibs is the same as stealing "their" money.

You mean, the top 10% income earners--- pay 95% of all taxes collected. That's according to the IRS.

Top 10% income earners include almost every successful small business in the US. And that's the main employment engine in the US. That's why tax cuts for that group ends up leading to more jobs in the economy.

No one cares if a multi-millionare eggball player gets a tax cut. He's not going to do much with that extra money. But a small business owner running an IT service for the elderly will expand his business so he can make more money.

Well, if someone who (hypothetically) earns 10m a year and spends 10% of it over the year and stashes the other 90, he’s still spending more than a more person. Likelihood is they’ll be spending a shit load more than that.

Your argument is horseshit, basically

You are being conned. He isn't punishing them, only helping. Where's the bull that punishes them?

If you write a book around your post and it makes 8 million dollars right into your bank account, how much of the money do you think youre entitled to after taxes?

Hopefully less than 4 million.

I'm sorry you're so mentally deluded and brainwashed by Democrats you can't even look at what's happening.

THE ULTRA WEALTHY do not pay taxes the way the rest of us do, so they don't care what Congress and the Senate does about taxes, it will not affect them.

But it will affect the average US citizen, so idiots go off and learn how the ULTRA WEALTHY hide their moneys from the tax man so you can come back and bitch how Congress isn't targeting them, just the poor wage slaves and the hard working small business owners.

This guy fucks. Nailed it.

You would be dumb to sit on a hoard of cash. The value drops every year due to inflation. The money is invested into something like long term bonds

>Be super rich billionaire
>heh... I'll just put my enormous wealth in an offshore bank where it will accrue 0.0025% a year in interest! That'll show those poorfags
>what? Inflation is 2% per year and I'm losing money? No! My plan was so smart!!
investing is more logical than hoarding
Eventually you can make more money than you pay in taxes when compared to the completely negligible increases from a bank

The funds would have been used either way.

With the rich, the funds would be more likely used to grow the economy through savings and investment.

The poor spending can only grow the economy by the small profit gained by their consumption going to a rich person who will save or invest it.

You get more saving and investment by just cutting out the poor person's over consumption.

In a single cycle with the average retail profit margin of the last 20 years of 8% letting the rich man keep his earnings is 1125% more effective at growing the economy. In reality it is even more efficient as you lose some funds to the redistribution process, and the cycle repeats ad infinitum.


Checkmate pleb

Found the Keynsian

>corporations
>employ no one

Exactly. These dumb kids envision some monopoly monocle guy sitting on a pile of cash. No smart person sits on cash and watches it lose value every year. It gets invested somewhere

1% of the US is 3 million people. Do you think there are 3 million billionaires with offshore accounts out there?

There's about 80-100, and most of them are in favor of more socialism (because they know how make money off it).

“We have spent enough money we could have dug a hole every mile from NYC to LA and buried $1 million dollars and had enough left over in LA to rebuild every battleship in the Navy and yet we accomplished nothing.”

Lurk moar.

The US Government now spends annually about 9.5 times the amount it collects in taxes at all levels.

This is mainly entitlements, keeping the niggers happy and social security/medicare benefits.

The rest is spent on defense and debt service.

If they are spending that much, why do they want taxes from us? Just print more money and reassure the public.

You people realize these drive by trolls don't read your replies right?

There is a solution to your problem, liberal. But you're not allowed to talk about it.

Coincidentally.

The estate tax and alternative minimum tax most definitely affect them.

A perfect example of what poor people think that rich people do with their money.

Money sitting in an off-shore account does no one any good. Money need to work are earn. People with money put that money to use that makes more money. If you are working you are working for someone who uses their money to create and grow.

If you are working for someone and making them money ...its your problem.

it doesnt just sit there in those offshore accounts. it gets reinvested in various ventures and lending schemes as foreign investment.

Liberals don't even understand enough about how taxes work to figure out their own 1040-EZ. I've run into more of these dipshits than I can count that think that getting a raise that pushes them into the next tax bracket will "cost them more money than they earn." One monkeyfuck in my own office even refused a promotion because he "didn't want to get fucked in taxes" after a bracket change.

You expect a liberal to understand anything at all about inflation, or investing? Liberals invest in pot and Nertflix subscriptions, not appreciating assets or shares of a corporation. The average liberal has been so indoctrinated by jewish lies that they think every business owner has a Scrooge McDuck pile of gold in their back yard. Meanwhile they simultaniously worship billionare jews telling them to "resist."

we don't need controls on capitalism, you need massive consumer protections. If a company is ffucking people or poisoning the water, just go into their business with a your community and murder everyone. easy solution to inhuman trash hoarding money anb abuysing power and people.
Then someone who practices wholesome values can take over the company and do it right.

I heard that this just gives Congress the option to end the estate tax, and they don't want to touch the AMT, meaning it stands as is.

We don't have the final bill, so shit is expected to change anyways.

Your full of BS (business school) and bullshit. The Colorado economy has thrived at the small business level because the pot market can only be collected in cash which can't be deposited in the banks (against the law; counted as drug money). This means the money recirculated throughout the state. Rich assholes are already trying to get their grubby hands on that flow. Also if you want to "cut the poor out" more efficiently, take a shotgun to them already.

If the wealthy are hoarding all of their money, how are the poor getting money? Your statements taken to their logical conclusion would result in an equilibrium in which the poor get just enough money to survive and no more wealth is created. Is such an equilibrium possible?

Ultimately, the problem with socialists is that they often believe that there should be in equality and would like to impose an equilibrium. This results in a lack of innovation and wealth generation. Couple that with the inevitable dictatorship and famine occurs, people get slaughtered. Inequality is a good thing you nimrod.

And you want to give Jewish investment bankers more money while a married couple making 120k a year has their taxes stay the same or go up even with the increased tax credit.

Wake up, stop being a useful idiot supporting a tax plan designed for Jews by jews.

We can play the generalization game as well my dear liberal.
Poor people spend their money on drugs, which then goes oversees. Foreign monkeys use this to buy guns.

Is gassing the poor the answer? Of course not. Only idiots like yourself.

>If the wealthy are hoarding all of their money, how are the poor getting money?

What is hyperbole?

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>"Heh, at least the government doesn't know I jerk off to trap porn"

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>Where it sits in a bank. So cutting taxes for them in the USA will just give them more money to sir in a bank in the states.
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>Cutting taxes for the 1 percent is a fucking joke that will cause less investment. The ultra wealthy will have no need to invest their cash if you keep giving them more cash.


>sits in a bank
Fucking idiot banks invest deposits into other businesses how the fuck else are they supposed to pay interest on savings
Why the fuck do none of you fags know how banks work

from 8 mil this year you pay 3,168,000. that leaves 4,832,000 in the bank. pretty decent.

now the lower end of the SAME TAX BRACKET (39.6%)

if you make 500,000 on it, you pay 198,000 which leaves 302,000 in the kitty. You can buy an ok house with it and be broke. you can buy a meh house and a good car and be broke. you can move to the sticks and drive a used car and support yourself for a few years and then be broke. you can buy a shithole and support a family for a few years and then be broke. you can live with yor parents enjoy yourself and work on more stuff.

the little guy who has to work their ass off while a Taco Bell employee who gets a refund every year screams how its unfair it is that other people have money at all. Its tough as shit out there, even tougher with regulations, identity politics and changing business models let alone taxation. all the increased taxes do is make that first step even higher for the people not born with the ability to just float over it.

>The poor just get enough money to survive
But they do. To make sure that "equilibrium" is kept in place, they have credit cars and loans to keep a buffer if they lack money. If they have too much, they rarely hoard it.

>autistic spergs arrive with their utopian retardism

this is correct. stop being crony corporatist cock-sucks, dummies. The middle class is the primary engine of job growth.

YES, i can

they do not remove money from circulation,it is unprofitable
they return them by giving loans to poor and stupid
such way they fuck poor harder (making them debt-slaves )

They dont hoard it in offshore accounts, they invest the money to stimulate the economy. if they hoard it all in cash, it will be devalued by inflation

Removing money from the economy helps stifle inflation

Of course, ideally, we wouldn't punish companies for making money, but don't worry, capitalism finds a way. That way is by moving their money to more appealing locations. Simple!

>if you make 500,000 on it, you pay 198,000
>he mathed 39.6% of 500,000
>he thinks being in the top bracket means you pay top bracket rates on the full amount earned
>another monkeyfuck that doesn't understand how US tax work on even the most basic simplified level insists on sharing their opinion on the tax system with other monkeyfucks with even less understanding of the tax system

God bless the interwebs.

America is the one of the few countries where our poor have smart phones and eat out. Taxation is fucking theft!

I'm married to a wonderful woman in the industry.

1st off. The funds are still in the hands of the "rich" which in this case is business owners.

2nd most pot shops either buy a litteraly safe, and or deposit the funds with a company like brinks that does actual money warehousing.

You are likely just a pot head who knows nothing about how that industry functions. And how much more efficient it would be of they were allowed access to banks.

You still wind up with an equilibrium, you've just changed the equilibrium point.

>Why the fuck do none of you fags know how banks work

Likely raised in a government controlled school, and lacked the mind to try and learn things themselves

>the rich create jobs!
The jobs aren't created by business owners, dummy. They're only created when demand exceeds the ability of a company to meet that demand. This demand is a function of the buying power of the middle class.

>being this dumb
If that same million was redistributed to hundreds of other people, then all of it would re-enter the economy.

Then how come government can create jobs even when there is no demand?

They have enough money to invest in whatever they want at the moment, it's not like they lack money for it, what they lack it's the motivation to invest, due to them not wanting to invest in a nigger/white trash country.

Singapore investment it's doing great.

they borrow money or take from taxes
they spend them on projects and hire people to do them

it is good only if projects are military or infrastructural

government spendings

Illegal spics send thier money to mexico thus removing money from circulation as well.
Poor people become myopic with money. Live paycheck to paycheck never saving even just a little bit. Its some wierd rush for them to have 0 in thier bank account never worrying about having money for basic car care.

All tax reform is sold as "cuts for the middle class" because everyone knows that the poor don't even pay taxes. The democrats sometimes say they are going to make the rich "pay more." meanwhile, the rich always end up paying less because they can afford the legal and accounting loopholes that comes with ever more complication.
Meanwhile, the real problem is fiat money that allows the government to continuously debase the money - stealthily taxing the savings of everyone who saves currency. The worst kind of tax: one that disproportionately hits the most productive people: those that earn the most, spend the least and save the difference. The more you save, the more you lose to inflation.
Federal income tax wasn't even necessary until they instituted this federal reserve money scheme. We'll never be truely free until we eliminate it. We could easily do away with all income, capital gains, estate and many other taxes and related paperwork bloat by instituting a 25% national sales tax on all new goods and services and an equal 25% BAT. Taxing consumption and our enormous consumer market instead of our productive value.
It would incentive saving and financial prudence and it would reverse the flow of money from the 1% large corporations as they would no be forced to compete ruthlessly for market share in order to profit and raise their standard of quality and customer service while losing profit margin. The price of all goods would go down and quality would go up. Banks, accountants and lawyers would lose bigly. That's why you won't ever see it happen until a massive financial collapse.

And your point is that it's impossible?