If America wanted to would it be possible to build an animation industry similar to Japans?

If America wanted to would it be possible to build an animation industry similar to Japans?

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probably would have had a better animation industry

too bad the west hates animation

No. Americans are too used to too cheap entertainment. No one would pay the prices necessary to support a cartoon industry.

US already have a very big and famous animation industry.

Regardless .

Maybe I am just worried about costs. We do not have SE asian people to do our inbetweens.

We do have a very well developed animation industry, but if you mean one that is targeted at a different audience than it is now, it would take a large cultural shift.

No. The West underestimates the storytelling capabilities of animation. People regard it as kiddie stuff over here and so people don't expect much from it. It's as simple as that.

I meant one similar to how the anime industry is. And this is anime related.

Too many jews and tumblerites

Sure. But it's simply not worthwhile anymore. Too much time is wasted on drawing good hand-drawn animation for too little profit.

How many cartoon shows does the US produce each year anyway?

I don't want an industry based off of Blu-Ray sales and event tickets.

Snow White isn't anime.

Japan doesn't have Hollywood tier movie industry, that's why animation became it's top dog.

In the west, it's the opposite, Live action is always in favor of animation, and with Disney's over exaggerated influence, animation is stuck in the Kids zone.

... You're a special kind of stupid, you really really are.

Old cartoons were handed out to the Japanese who were the cheap Asians doing animation quickly and for a good budget back then.

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>Thread about western animation industry
>OP picture is from Snow White, a Disney movie
>This is anime

Enjoy your 404.

if you tried to have actual murrican animation these days they'd probably want to have women with mostly manface tier being used
murrican(western) artists in general that try to mimic chinese cartoon's style tend to have "furfag esque" art that's noticeable also
i find the shit annoying when i end up seeing them mixed in with jp stuff when browsing "art that users think is good"

Yup, people go to the cinema and see a poster for a animated movie and think " for kids " and move on. Its why great movies like Kubo and the two strings do so badly in the boxoffice. Which is a shame, that movie is fantastic.

Then Sausage Party comes along and goes "HURR HURR ANIMATED MOVIES CAN BE ADULT TOO" and sets the industry back another ten years.

I hope Seth gets fucked now that marijuana is legal and stoner culture's going to be less of a thing.

Kubo has visually appealing, but it wasn't exceptional in any other regard.

In fairness we need more adult-targeted animated movies that are meant to be taken seriously. Even the really good, deep animated movies are still targeted at kids. I can't think of one animated movie made in America that has accomplished this.

Even if you take cultural differences aside, even if animation became in America an entertainment form for all ages as it is in Japan, I doubt any company would get away with the crappy salaries they give to Asian animators in general.
Also, you don't have the reducing costs culture from Japan there. In Japan they spent many years perfecting it. In USA you had Filmation, that produced many popular low-budget cartoons in the 80s, but even they went bankrupt. And if I have to chose give me any average Japanese animation from the 80s rather than He-Man or Bravestarr.
Also, I don't think that the public in general would be willing to watch low-budget animation in America. You put way too much care in drawing each frame and all that crap; meanwhile, action in a typical America-oriented animation is slow and boring as fuck, whereas even some crappy Japanese animation is, although worst animated, much more dynamic and fun to watch.
I don't even remember liking American TV animation, to be honest. I mean 100% made by America. I'm sure someone here will prove me wrong and say that a given American animation for TV has nice animation, but I'm sure it will be exceptions mostly. And I don't even know which series would be the case besides Filmation's, because even Disney outsourced animation to Japan for their TV series. So did Hannah-Barbera.
And many old Warner Bros cartoons animated in USA weren't actually TV series, they were movie shorts that eventually, many years later, wound up to be shown as TV series (the first Tom & Jerry, for instance, were 114 shorts produced between 1940 and 1958; that is, an average of one every two months). The same case was the Fleischer Superman series. Yes, the animation was smooth as fuck, but they were short animation films, so you can't compare. They had a nice budget and they did once a month, usually; so you can compare it maybe to some OVAs, but not to a low-budget series that is supposed to deliver a new episode each week.

Kubo is probably Laika's most kid friendly film, though. Beautiful, and deserves to be recognized, but still a family's film. I'd love to see big studios releasing something different every once in a while.

The problem is that people will almost certainly go the Family Guy route and just do the same "adult cartoon" crap, only in 3D.

Why do you type like a retard?

I'll go on a limp and say that it's because he's a retard.

Hate to say it but for it to work the movie/show couldn't be a comedy. Something like the anime Erased might catch American adult's eyes.

Well played.

Pretty much, but i can't really make a comment on Sausage Party as i haven't seen it.

But animation is definitely though of as for kids in the west, there is plenty of good anime movies i would love to watch with friends but most of them turn me down on it because they don't like animation and prefer realistic movies. But gladly goes to the cinema to watch anything from Disney or Pixar. I feel a lot of people deprive themselves of good experiences because of that kind of logic.

I remember there was that Beowulf movie sometime in the early 2000s. Edge of Tomorrow showed that American adults can be interested in Japanese plots and premises. The problem is how to attract their attention.

Definitely, but to make people go out and see movies like that you would have to change peoples perception of animation. And i think that will be hard here in the west. But it's a shame, people miss out on fantastic experiences.

I don't think it was ever a problem that Americans can't accept a foreign-made plot. Movies like the Grudge & The Ring have worked well.

I think that the perception you'll need to change soon enough is that the West only makes animation for kids. In some years most of the kids will have grown up with anime some way or another, many of them might've even watch anime for adults when they were in their late teens. You won't need to tell them that animation can be destined to adults as well, you'll most likely need to convince them that someone is doing it in the West and that it's worth watching.

I think it'll be hard to do especially if they're not into the medium. It's either animation seems too childish, or it feels "not real" so that every live-action or CGI film would be preferred. People won't take it seriously.

It's kinda sad that its like that to be honest, i got plenty of movies i'd love to share with friends. but i doubt they would watch it, people just dont wanna take a chance and try something new.

Anything is possible under capitalism, baby. Shut your stupid mouth.

When americans try to actually make something decent they shit on japan hard. But americans don't really care about cartoons being properly animated

If you have the money.

Anyone hate the look and feel of MOST 3D animated works from America?

It's just that when people think of anime, they think of either porn or DBZ. Which, to be fair, isn't completely off. There's some good concepts that aren't overly cliche and pure otakubait, it's just that nobody's willing to notice it in the west.

Animation is cheap to produce over there because Japan has terrible labor laws.

I wouldn't say that's fair to anime. Fair based on how anime is presented in the public eye. There is such an extremely wide range of what anime actually is it's sad when people miss out because they think this.

It'll be based on Netflix subscriptions and food coupons instead.

It's just incredibly easy for westerners to look at Keijo and go "ANIME WAS A MISTAKE LOOK AT THIS CRAP I MISS COWBOY BEBOP" when there's probably some decent stories out there, just hidden under the copious amounts of cute girls and pretty boys.

>Enjoy your 404
>meanwhile it's been an hour

Any minute now..

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I don't get it. Is it a metaphor type thing for racism?

America hates pedophilia so there wouldn't even be a point

Only in size

Speaking of Sausage Party, its animators were working overtime and unpaid

>dorkly.com/post/80148/sausage-partys-animators-were-treated-like-shit

That just sounds familiar.

Japanese animators are woefully underpaid. It's unlikely you could get Americans to work for cheap enough to chug out that much animation.

possible but no american has the talent and the balls to do it, to be quite frank. everyone is looking out for their own skin in terms financial stability and personal sanity.

note that there are some indie anime studios in america but they have no clue how to produce a polished product, due to lack of skill and knowledge in my opinion.

Unless the animators do it as a passion project more than a career like many animators in Japan.

>no american has the talent

Are there any Sup Forums faggots here?
Was there any cartoon airing in the last 10 years where the characters weren't acting as 2D cartboards to cut down costs (excluding Avatar and Korra)?

Characters barely act as if they're in three dimensions anymore, nearly always shown from 3/4 view.

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No. Probably more suited to your "elite" western tastes but no where near will be "better".

The jews in america have 10,000,000,000 x the amount of money, they could of, but jews. The cable and television networks make a billion dollars a year and have been running mostly reruns for years. It's called being a jew, they won't waste a penny if 99% of shows are reruns and consumers keep paying anyways.

Too much sjw bullshit

Do you seriously think this would be an issue?

>over 80 years later and anime can't even compare to snow white

weebs will deny this

Does it make me a weeb to deny this?

Anything is possible in the free market if there is demand. There is no demand though, so. Japan could build gun industry similar to America's if there were a demand.

Dumb question

>implying that simpsons VA wouldn't take half of that cost

>could of

This desu

Nah, Americans are worst than the Japs.

All of them are closet furries.

Also, look at what the Rugrats animators drew to vent off their frustration of animating Rugrats.

They hated the show.

Also, Americans are unable to remove politics from their cartoons. There always has to be politics in everything in Hollywood from film to TV shows to cartoons to even music.

The Japs have mastered escapism but Americans still want to insert real life shit into their media even in an alternate fantasy world.

That is why there is a lot of old cartoons with pop culture references nobody even understands these days.

That is why you shouldn't add pop culture references at all.

Why did Ghibli movies become so popular then? I don't see many adults that think they are "just for kids" movies.

Agreed. I see so many Korra and SU fans that look at anime and try to judge it based on their western SJW pandering cartoons and they're dumb enough to have the same expectations completely missing the idea that anime is escapism for japs and they have a very strict separation of fantasy/reality in their culture. No one expects anime to be political and most otaku don't want it to be.

It's good and bad, but the good part is that it allows for more creativity and originality without worrying who they are going to piss off. Too bad they are now worried about pissing off otaku and fujoshi so it's the same issue anyway.

Yes. Now that Trump is elected an anime industry will boom in the United States and there will be a Manhattan-Project-like program that makes anime girls real.

but america already has a successful animation industry, only that it is mostly CG. Big budget kiddie flicks make money.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films

11 of the top 50 are animated.

>Americans love throwing money away
It will never stop being funny.

They'd need to kill anyone who ever stepped a foot into CalArts first.

That's exactly how they think though.

I mean Nips train a lot to git good and no one in the west has the experience at doing anime, so maybe he used a wrong word but essentially he's right in that America wouldn't be able to do a good anime

>There always has to be politics in everything in Hollywood from film to TV shows to cartoons to even music.
Hollywood is controlled by (((them))) user what do you expect.

this is the dumbest thread because Disney as well as most American cartoons and Pixar trump any Japan made cartoon save for just a few

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salty cause he's right are we??

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Man you're not even trying.

Good one queer

I can at least commend your dedication, but you would get better results on other boards. Nobody here cares (apart from me, but I just love shitting on inferior faggots).

regardless it would be different because language differences and such

western animation outside of cg is dead

>it would be different
You don't say.

America already has the greatest and most profitable animation industry, why would they want one similar to Japan's?

>America
>Animators
Nice joke

American and Japanese animation industries are nothing alike. We lack seasonal releases and regular shows that take themselves seriously.

If you weren't a retard and actually understood the thread it was talking about having an anime industry similar to Japan. Just because America has some good animated movies doesn't mean anything and is irrelevant to the point of the thread.

Why do you take such low level bait?

I only have anecdotal evidence to go by, but i used to be in a group of drawing enthusiasts.
About half of them were hobbyists (including me), the other half either entered art schools or planned to do art related work in the future.
Of about 30 of them, only a handful of us even practiced fundamentals (posing, shading, perspective etc), let alone drew from life. The rest were just rendering over deformed/flat looking sketches, and given that the group was mostly normalfags and tumblrites, it was an echo chamber of
>wow the colours are so goooood
>man that looks so polished
>so much detail omfg
I got shit for pointing out bad anatomy, static poses, telling people to stop polishing and work on the basics. The ones who wanted to animate invariably did the flash thing where everything is a cardboard cutout, maybe sudden jumps perspective here and there. I remember losing my shit when a guy told me 'that's a waste of time, i just want it to look good' in response to telling him to at least TRY to draw the full motion frame by frame
So yeah, from personal experience i can confirm that there's a hugbox (though not necessarily SJW) mentality, people focus way too much on polish, traditional/classic art is mostly avoided
Shit sucks in the west

I know why America business's don't do 2D anymore. Which is a fucking shame because the last one I saw (Frog and the Princess) was excellent.

My only question is with technology allowing ANYONE to make their own animation on almost any budget, how come no one is doing it?

yet just about every single adult who has ever seen a ghibli movie saw it as a kid. Bring up The Wind Rises to one of these adults and see what I mean. It was Miyazaki's retirement film, so it came out rather recently and you can bet that the next person you ask has not seen it because they only remember watching Spirited Away and Naussica and maybe would watch it for nostalgia.

Anime is extremely cheap to make relative to shit like Lion King or Treasure Planet. It could never happen.

>Also, look at what the Rugrats animators drew to vent off their frustration of animating Rugrats.
You have my curiosity

Rango was pretty good, I think it was a little too serious for a kid audience, but I wouldn't put it on Mary and Max levels of drama.

Prince of Egypt was real good.

Moral Orel had great characterization and storytelling, but it heavily started off as a satire and I think that really turned people away from watching the later seasons when the build up really pays off. It also had really good direction and decent animation, but the sets and overall design of the puppets weren't that exciting (which I guess can't be blamed because they were parodying Davey and Goliath).

They would probably better, but then Americans demand too much.

No, thanks, it would be filled with CalArts rejects.

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