I am sort of an Afghan immigrant, I came to America when I was three years old because my parents wanted a better life. I am making the case that open borders is better for the planet. I will try to respond to serious questions and won't be responding to "GO BACK SHITSKIN". I will be listing my arguments on why we need open borders
1. We aren't Freaks I find a lot of conservatives think of us as they think of goths or those weirdos are so different to the typical person they just can't get along. However when I end up talking to people we relate very fast. Even some racist people I talk to forget I'm non-white while we are talking. What I am saying here is not my opinion but top economist opinions openborders.info/double-world-gdp/
2. Open Borders Will Double GDP Sup Forums always claims to love free market capitalism so I will explain this hoping you have an open mind. When immigrants come in they drive down wages temporary. However in that time corporations now have cheap labour and can lower the price of their goods. So although wages get cut so do prices causing deflation. The government can cancel this by printing money causing inflation exactly proportional to the deflation. Essentially immigration allows governments to print money inflation free. If open borders were applied everywhere worldwide each government would on average be able to double their money supply inflation-free which means the average wealth per person would double.
3. New cultures When I suggest this people get all uppity. They say that we are clouding out their European culture (as if it still exists in our consumerist culture). What they don't realize is that culture isn't a 0 sum game, Afghan immigrants coming in doesn't prevent you from practicing your British/Irish/Scottish/Italian culture or whatever you want to practice. New cultures bring in new options of culture just like new companies bring in a new option of goods.
>we aren't freaks Actually the region you hail from has the highest inbreeding rate in the world so yeah you are >claims to love free market capitalism Maybe free market within the country, but the free global market is one of the reasons America is in the shit state it's in. >new cultures Give me one reason this is a good thing >it doesnt exclude your culture! Go on wikipedia and look up any minority pride page, and then go look up white pride. You'll see real quick yes white culture is suppressed even without your cousin fucking culture.
Michael Brooks
I am an American like you
>Actually the region you hail from has the highest inbreeding rate in the world so yeah you are You do realize anti-inbreeding talk is highly over exaggerated right?
>Maybe free market within the country, but the free global market is one of the reasons America is in the shit state it's in. Why? Free trade benefits both involved
>Go on wikipedia and look up any minority pride page, and then go look up white pride. You'll see real quick yes white culture is suppressed even without your cousin fucking culture. White culture? White supremacy isn't white culture, it's hate.
Cooper Miller
You may be a citizen of the United States but you are not an American.
Michael Anderson
No Borders will mean no tax revenue so no free gibs.. you not thought it through have you
Cooper Martin
Define American.
Jordan Davis
>white pride is white supremacy
Jace Morgan
White.
Luke Rodriguez
Ummm, no there will still be taxes. Also good, gibs should be cut.
Brayden Sanchez
Open borders is population replacement and will permanently drive down the wages until it takes a Bachelor's and a lifetime of debt to make even $11 an hour. We are already at the precipice, and we refuse to sacrifice more good American jobs for one script pajeet code monkeys and Islamic welfare parasites.
Europe is waking up. America is wise in cutting off the borders and chain migration now. Supply side economics is fantastic when we control our demographic destiny. But when mixed with population replacement, it becomes a downward spiral for the nation.
Liam Flores
>You do realize anti-inbreeding talk is highly over exaggerated right? Except it's not, and your region still has the highest rate in the world >Why? Free trade benefits both involved Oh yeah sending all those jobs across seas really helped us a ton >White culture? White supremacy isn't white culture, it's hate. Do you not know how to read? Look up black, hispanic, asian pride or any race that isnt white.
Hunter Watson
That is rich coming from an Afghan.
Lincoln Lewis
Your kind will be eliminated once the next war starts. You are on borrowed time, remember that.
David Davis
Why have nations and laws if there are no borders? How would you enforce that?
Luis Lewis
>I am sort of an Afghan immigrant, I came to America when I was three years old because my parents wanted a better life. So you're an immigrant >1. We aren't Freaks That doesn't mean that mass immigration isn't harmful for native citizens via increased demand for resources, artificial labour-force inflation, or overloading infrastructure and services. >2. Open Borders Will Double GDP Doesn't benefit the masses, only the wealthy >3. New cultures >When I suggest this people get all uppity. They say that we are clouding out their European culture (as if it still exists in our consumerist culture). What they don't realize is that culture isn't a 0 sum game, Afghan immigrants coming in doesn't prevent you from practicing your British/Irish/Scottish/Italian culture or whatever you want to practice. New cultures bring in new options of culture just like new companies bring in a new option of goods. Cultures do and have gone extinct before. Often due to outside forces. What the fuck are you on? Also, change for the sake of change isn't a good thing. Fixing things that aren't broken by making them new helps no one except those who want to destabilize communities' identities
Angel Gonzalez
No nigger
Leo Foster
so open borders with Latin America and Africa too is ok with you?
Benjamin Ortiz
Name a single person involved with white pride who isn't a racist
If wages go down than prices will go down, what's the issue?
>Except it's not, and your region still has the highest rate in the world Sure it does
>Oh yeah sending all those jobs across seas really helped us a ton Yeah, having goods made by serfs for our benefit is totally bad for us, while having to work 12/hour days in coal mines is TOTALLY better
>Do you not know how to read? Look up black, hispanic, asian pride or any race that isnt white. Yeah, that's about love for their own, not hate for othes
Julian Edwards
Who the fuck you going to collect tax from? No Borders, no state lines to collect tax.. still not thought this thing through have you?
Nolan Anderson
>new culture Honestly we are all going to be speaking chinese in 100 years
Asher Turner
>So you're an immigrant YES but i was raised here my whole life and only know American culture
>That doesn't mean that mass immigration isn't harmful for native citizens via increased demand for resources, artificial labour-force inflation, or overloading infrastructure and services. Bro, we aren't a resource based economy anymore.
>Doesn't benefit the masses, only the wealthy Nonsense man it benefits us all
>Also, change for the sake of change isn't a good thing. Fixing things that aren't broken by making them new helps no one except those who want to destabilize communities' identities What about change for better food and stuff?
Yeah
Gabriel Young
>I will be listing my arguments on why we need open borders you need open borders to get into our country, despite a lot of us not wanting you. It's pretty simple really. And we DON'T want open borders because we don't want you here. Whatever your problems in Afghanistan are, we don't want them coming with you. Fuck your culture, fuck your genetics, and fuck you.
Sincerely, U.S. of fucking A.
Cooper Rogers
>name a single person involved in white pride who isn't a racist. Me
Gavin Thomas
I mean there's borders but they don't prevent anyone coming in or out
Jose Brooks
Le immigrant food meme
Luke Morgan
We're you indtroduced into the covenant of the batcha bazi?
Connor White
So now you want borders? FUCK ME YOU DON'T FUCKING KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT
Cameron Powell
he's most probably whiter than (you)
Alexander Evans
It becomes a death spiral until all you can afford, after rent, taxes, and utilities, only terrible quality merchandise which can only be produced by very few subsidized corporations. Those who managed to climb out of poverty will be plunged back into it when their rent is cheapened and all the ma-and-pa made goods and services are sold out to big name retailers. You are no longer able to sustain a livelihood. There is no individuality beyond what you pay for.
Watch "Wal Mart: The High Cost of Low Prices". Why the fuck, as an immigrant, do you want this?
Carson Reyes
Americans DO want more immigrants, maybe not racists. But Democrats love us, Republicans respect us, and Trump supporters want us as long as we come legally
Do you want me here?
Hunter Ortiz
>Bro, we aren't a resource based economy anymore.
When the fuck did we stumble into infinite resources for everyone?
Ayden Evans
Open boarders doesn't mean there's no borders. It means they don't block immigrants DINGUS
we want based japs and aryans from our homelands, not shitskins.
Noah Lewis
You have to go back where you came from. We don't want you or open borders so fuck off back to the sandpit. People like you will start the removal of people like you that think it's ok to displace people who have graciously let you in their country. You should be ashamed of yourself but I see you aren't so beware the day of the rope because I am coming for you! Do us all a favor and KYS now
John Perez
It's called the information age bro. Information is infinite. America makes its money through finance and tech. We buy resources from third world countries. If more third worlders come to America, there's less people in those countries which means there is more resources per person in those countries. They sell it to America anyway
James Robinson
Your country is literally an amalgamation of fanatic Muslims who live in the dark ages with snippets of technology intermingled. A better analogy would be if Star Trek had disregarded their prime directive on a planet of homosexual goat herders who pray to the moon god.
Gavin Price
Yes, open borders means exactly as it says: unpoliced migration and the insolvency of American citizenship for disposible labor. Are you familiar with the Kalpergi Coudenhove Plan?
Adrian Nguyen
>pashtun >aryan
Nolan Howard
...call me a dingus when you want no borders, but with borders you know... seriously have a long hard think about it then kys
Anthony Harris
Afghans are white and Aryan
Americans DO want me because they respect other cultures.
Asher Scott
>gibs me dat Yawn
Tyler Howard
>I am sort of an Afghan immigrant, I came to America when I was three years old because my parents wanted a better life. Perhaps you should ask yourself why your country is such a shithole, and what you can do to improve it
2. Open Borders Will Double GDP Because the immigrants have more money by being on welfare. This will destroy our welfare states. Here in the Netherlands, 46% of Afghans are on welfare (www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/nieuws/2015/31/zeven-van-de-tien-somaliers-in-de-bijstand)
3. New cultures Because we're being replaced our peoples and cultures are vanishing. And name something that Afghan culture can bring that's better than what we already had >We aren't freaks
Alexander Garcia
Yes. I'm a big fan of that guy and in a high-school project I said he was my hero.
Hitler considered them Aryan
I never said no borders dumbass
Aaron Reed
Do any of you cunts actually thinks he is afganipaki and not some larping kid?
Hudson Moore
No, infinite information "resources" is not going to sustain a nation. We had a run of that with the Clintons and their house nigger, and it is not worth the productivity and self-sustainability of the American people. We dominate in the oil markets now due to shale oil while Saudi Arabia tries to diversify and OPEC squabbles.
Julian Long
>and what can you do to improve it One person can't improve a country
>muh welfare Why not just cut military spending?
>name something that Afghans bring Good food, beautiful dresses, etc
Noah Edwards
Show flag so everyone can see where you're really posting from
Michael Gray
1)don't think u'r a freak 2)you're right we can print money without inflation with immigration, but thats just a numbers game. its why the german economists want loads of immigrants since the financial crisis. but we dont need you. we need sound money. 3)you'r wrong about culture being all sunshine and roses. you parents culture, and yours, is pervasive, aggressive and destructive. go home
Daniel Cook
Glad to know you are a willing slave to Globalists.
So, you want revenge by destroying European ancestry?
Gabriel White
>kekistani flag >"sup forums" (whatever that is) pasta you have to go in the oven
Nathan Brown
user, I'm afraid you have a terminal case of stupid. Tangible resources are more valuable than information when push comes to shove and the competition for said resources always hits the masses hardest. More people on the bottom is not good for any nation
Justin Phillips
Two points: the wage deflation generated by mass immigration is what got us into the current economic mess with rates permanently depressed.
It doesn't matter if stuff gets cheaper when people can hardly cover basic needs. Open borders have destroyed the US middle class.
You say American culture is consumerist and therefore not worth preserving. Well if consumerism is all you've learned from a lifetime of immersion in the West you really need to leave and never come back.
People like you are useless to us as you don't contribute anything except muh consumerism.Why would we want more of your kind?
Dylan Morgan
>Hitler considered them Aryan Hitler was just trying to play d and c against the British occupation their , he didn't actually think your white,he tried same thing with native Americans and the USA
Eli Foster
Growth keeps happenind dude
Thing is I only have the good aspects about culture. I was raised in America so I am 100% American love the constitution and all that. The only culture i connect with is food and clothing and i like history
That is a good point actually.
Austin Brooks
No he's thick as pigshit. The kind that only comes from many many generations of first cousin marriages
Adrian Fisher
Open borders and cultural marxism are the antithesis of America. The idea is a European import that goes against the founding, idea of America and everything she stands for. If you want to live here, assimilate, learn our culture and history or fucking leave. Its that simple. Quit trying to change your host country. You are no better than a kike.
Benjamin Phillips
>One person can't improve a country 1. Yes he can 2. If that's the case, why should we let you in
>Why not just cut military spending? 1. Why should we cut military spending so you can live from our money 2. Because Afghans and other people from the Islamic world keep committing terrorist attacks
>Good food, beautiful dresses, etc 1. The food is just different, it's not superior 2. Beautiful dresses? Kek (pic related)
Hudson Cook
Open borders are fine, so long as there isn't a welfare state in place at the same time. No Gibs for non citizens, and if you are found living out on the street, you have to go back. Also, criminals need to be kept out.
Joshua Parker
>1. We aren't Freaks No, you are.
>2. Open Borders Will Double GDP Seems legit
>New cultures... Afghan immigrants coming in doesn't prevent you from practicing your British/Irish/Scottish/Italian culture or whatever you want to practice Say that again when they become the majority. They'll totally let us eat some english breakfast, allow us to wear whatever we want and drink a glass of wine in the evening.
Jordan Thomas
>Open borders are fine, so long as there isn't a welfare state in place dude just chink my country up senpai
Thomas Roberts
>Thing is I only have the good aspects about culture. I was raised in America so I am 100% American love the constitution and all that. The only culture i connect with is food and clothing and i like history
then why do you want to invite more 3rd worlders? don't you realise that this will inevitably destroy the american culture that you claim to love?
Blake Diaz
>Ima coward gib money No
Lincoln Nelson
I disagree. I think Hitler really believed it because look
Bro, immigrants create just as many jobs as they take because they take jobs and then spend the money back into the economy.
Jack James
>we aren't freaks So what? >double GDP European GDP is lower than it's been in at least a decade and it has, arguably, the most open borders. >new cultures Again, so what? If your culture is so great, you leaving it behind is not a ringing endorsement.
Benjamin Reed
Have the balls to say what you mean, other than whoring the mentality of a cancer cell.
Joseph Jenkins
>yes he can How?
>Why should we let you in Because my family came im saying we bring in anyone on earth who wants to come, so thousands of people
>Why should we cut military spending so you can live from our money Cutting useless spending so people can enjoy life.
>2. Beautiful dresses? Kek (pic related) That's not true Afghan culture. They look like Indian dresses but mainly red. Burkas are not what i mean.
Henry Ward
I moved to Canada as a boy from Afghanistan. I am Pashto and look white, essentially... so I had an easy time getting along with people. Never had anyone get mad at me for being ethnic.
Angel Collins
Kys commie Afghan before we come and kill you first.
Camden Johnson
>Bro, immigrants create just as many jobs as they take because they take jobs and then spend the money back into the economy. No, they take welfare and don't pay enough in taxes to make up for that. Here's a government study from my country: >www.cpb.nl/persbericht/329217/immigratie-niet-effectief-tegen-vergrijzing
A few quotes for you, LARP'er >”Labour immigration on a large scale is not an effective way to lessen the financial effects of an aging population. For the labour market as well there are no positive effects to be expected from large scale labour immigration. Reduced labour immigration can be beneficial for the labour market. This is primarily the case when immigrants are high educated, have good prospects for getting a job and wind up in vacancies difficult to fill in.” >”With labour immigration on a large scale there are no important beneficial effects to be expected for the already present population of the collective finances. If the social-economic effects of immigrations are on average the same as those of non-Western immigrations already present in the Netherlands, the effect on the collective finances is indeed negative.” So why should we import non-Western immigrants again?
Jordan Brown
>Name a single person involved with white pride who isn't racist Donald Trump
Matthew Williams
You learned nothing, for it was laid out plain and clear open borders destroyed the middle class and polarized America into rural and city enclaves. Without a rebalance of power to chip the welfare state off their backs, America will forever be addicted on slave wages to whatever consumerist schizo dream (((they))) think of selling.
David Miller
They will assimilate
>So what? We deserve equal treatment
>European GDP is slower Yeah due to austerity
>You leaving it behind is not a ringing endoresment My parents left due to poverty
Chase Price
you managed to find the best looking afghan you could and he's still ugly equivalent thread of mexibros posting cute latinas saying mexico is good and cool
and also you're HIDING YOUR FLAG
Ian Robinson
>Deserve Nobody deserves nothing user, don't fall for the memes.
Matthew Howard
Welfare creates jobs too, they buy food and stuff with welfare money which creates jobs. I think you're trolling
He's a civic nationalist
Jonathan Perez
>They will assimilate Do you have any clue how long assimilation takes?
Here's a hint, it's not done in a lifetime
Parker Gonzalez
Never said you took our jobs. Read again.
Most recent immigrants never get a job anyway, or it's so low wage that it's de facto subsidized. Any thoughts on my points though?
Mason Wilson
>1. We aren't Freaks No, but you do in general hate America and everything it stands for. >2. Open Borders Will Double GDP So would slavery. Your culture knows all about that. You Keep slaves to this day. >3. New cultures Your culture is destructive and violent. It is antithetical to the American ideals of freedom and self-sufficiency.
Lucas Nguyen
>We deserve equal treatment More "gibs me that" I see
>Yeah due to austerity It of course can't be because people Islamic countries are overrepresented in receiving welfare
>My parents left due to poverty And even more "gibs me that"
Dylan Price
You deserve nothing.
Grayson Hughes
TELLING LIES ON THE INTERNET? WHO WOULD POSSIBLY DO THAT?
John Hill
>Welfare creates jobs too, they buy food and stuff with welfare money which creates jobs. So I have to give you money so you can go spend it because it will help some one else? Why do I need you? I can just buy stuff myself Also ignoring the study I mentioned, interesting
>I think you're trolling Fuck off, you're not even showing your flag.
Anthony Lee
Elaborate bait is elaborate bait. Race mixing is race mixing
Justin Anderson
>Bomb countries >Exploit resources >Radicalize population >Invite said population to live in our country >??? >Profit Afghanis, Pakistanis, Indonesians, and other Islamic hordes need to stay in their containment zone. Don't push the European lion too far
Chase Jackson
No, welfare just buys them products. None of that is reinvested in local stores or their communities since the governments hold a tight reign to keep their conglomerates running.
You just have the situation where a thousand people compete for one corporate job a million times over. There ceases to be an entry level or a ladder to climb.
Ian Cruz
>we deserve equal treatment I'm not denying you equal treatment under the law. >austerity As a result of borrowing from central bank to provide gibs for immigrants. >poverty Poverty does not entitle you to anything.
Lincoln Ward
>Nothing Anything I mean.
Luke Jones
Here some more statistics from the Netherlands
See www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/nieuws/2015/31/zeven-van-de-tien-somaliers-in-de-bijstand Percentage on welfare >Natives: 3.1% >Turks: 17% >Moroccans: 27.4% >Somalis: 68.9% >Iraqis: 57.8% >Syrians: 62.2% >Afghans: 46% >Iranians: 42.2% >Eritreans: 50.2% >Poles: 2.1% And the Poles typically leave after a certain time working here.
Matthew Foster
I assimilated my parents did
I leave stuff like that to business and economics people
James Hernandez
You literally answered why we don't want you in our countries in your first paragraph, but fine, let's go point by point. >We aren't freaks. We can skip this one, because I give zero fucks about Afgans as long as they don't want to fucking exterminate my bloodline. >Open Borders Will Double GDP Do you know why? Because of the constant stream of cheap labour from pisspoor countries. You are not a person here, you are a resource to be used to increase the wealth of the rich, while taking the jobs from the local population because you are literally viewed as subhuman and so can be paid less. It won't decrease the price of the goods, as the costs remain the same unless you are running an illegal sweatshop. Also dumbass, inflation doesn't work that way, the more of something there is, the less its worth, so if there is more money, it's worth falls, no matter what bullshit solution you try to find. Also, not to mention that open borders would ruin many countries as their best and the brightest leave to find better life, leaving them country to degrade. >New Cultures If you have to immigrate, keep your culture to your groups, I give zero fucks, but you don't want to do that as you state here. You want to "enrich" our culture, don't you? You constantly want more representation and recognition, in other words force our culture upon others.
Joshua Miller
>We aren't Freaks You aren't Western and Westernizing your ilk will take generations, and what do we gain from it? I don't dislike Afghanis, and I don't agree with American foreign policy but those aren't good enough reasons to open the floodgates >Open Borders Will Double GDP Culture > Money, this argument may work well with a material-obsessed scumbag but believe it or not there are more important things than wealth and material gain >New cultures On a global scale sure, but on a national scale no. The world should be a mosaic of peoples that should encourage others to travel. Why do I need to open my city to every third worlder who wants to come in? I know why YOU want to come here, because we have the money and the standard of living. Simply put our gains are null compared to the effort we put in to hosting other peoples. Also we don't have to do shit. If we wanted we could let no one in and let you lot rot in your homelands
Jeremiah Scott
>because my parents wanted a better life I wish this meme would end. Go make Afghanistan great again, or whatever I don't care. Don't bother replying I'm leaving this shitty thread.
