In light of Tesla's recent unveilig of their electric Semi and Volkswagen announcing a 35 billion investment in electric cars, everyone can agree that automation will hit us sooner than we expect.
In the big scheme of things, who gives a flying fuck about a couple hundret thousand truck drivers... They will die out in like 30 years and the next generation simply finds another occupation.
Was the industrial revolution a bad thing for humanity? Was the Power Loom?
read some professor ted
But, I am not.
good
Political people and science dont get along. Politicians are always getting in the way of scientific progress. Always passing their damn laws and shit to limit us because they are always so chicken shit about opening pandoras box with new tech and stuff. Fuck em. I would open pandoras box any day. I want embryonic stem cell research to go on. I want super AI. I want wind turbine energy and solar power. Fuck any politician that tells us we cant have these things
well we're gonna have to figure out a way to employ more and more people who are doing jobs thay can be done by automation, because its not just gonna be truck drivers and cashiers
The more automated systems that are in placr the more socialism we will need to thrivr as a society. People in low skilled jobs will just have to be given food if jobs are taken over
I don't trust it in the wrong hands, and I don't trust Elon Musk
risk/reward
Car automation is still a lot farther away than people think. Oh look this truck drive across I-10 West by itself. Oh, except that happens to be the only road in America it can drive in independently and it also has to be controlled in the cities and one annoyed car or a cardboard box could easily run it off the road or being it to a standstill and also it doesn't work in the rain or snow or fog. That's not to say it will never happen but the technology is still much farther away than they want you to believe. It's like how people said email was going to make the mailing letters obsolete.
What would you think if you were a trucker?
because jewlon musk is a fucking poser that is just relying on hyping the retarded part of the population to worship him and give him money.
tesla cars make the environment worst in the long run since they are just passing the problem onto 3rd world countries
The problem is that automation cannot roll out fast enough to justify a post scarcity economy that can in turn justify a majority of humans not working on any thing that provides for the cost of life. It's not enough to automate a job, what of the people out of income while the post scarcity economy isn't even bound to show up any time soon?
He is also doing decent stuff in space its not just cars he does. The sucking up to him makes me sick though.
I remember being in high school.. I miss that innocent way of thinking.
Electric cars and self-driving cars are two different things.
We're going to lose millions of driving jobs over the next decade or so, then millions more in every other field and supporting field.
I'm not sure if the extra human capital has anywhere to go this time. We'll see.
What a stupid premise. Most of my 35 years in industry has been centered around the design and building of automation. I currently design and build production equipment and machinery for a dental technologies company. Processes that aren't automated, or are only partially so, I design with the intent to integrate it into the design as future opportunities to do so arise.
>everyone can agree that automation will hit us sooner than we expect.
"no"
For one, the Tesla Semi is a half baked solution to a nonexistent problem. It's an absolute shit truck. Do you think anyone is waiting for a truck with a 500 mile action radius while current diesel trucks can do 1400? Do you think anyone is looking for a $0.05/mile saving when the initial investment is $100k higher? The thing has no applicability. Zero. Nobody will buy this. It blows my mind that Elon dared present this as an accomplishment. This, along with the massive production problems of the model 3, are the nail in the coffin for Tesla. The only way I'll change my mind is if, for the first time ever, they would manage to run a profit.
Secondly, look at what automation has historically done. When horses started helping us with farming, did unemployment rise? No. we invented new jobs. Suddenly there were bakers, potters, full time soldiers.
As we became less and less directly dependent on manual labor, did everyone stay home? No. New jobs and new entire industries were invented. Banks. Notaries. Scientists. Engineers. None of those things existed 1000 years ago.
What happened when the industrial revolution happened? That surely gave us the power to maintain our standard of living while working only a fraction of the time? But behold! No mass unemployment. We raised our standards of living, invented new jobs, and kept working.
And this is the real consequence of further automation. New jobs. Fields we can now not even imagine. Perhaps all our effort will be focused on R&D. Perhaps something really cool we can't even conceptualize yet, just as the Romans couldn't conceptualize IT departments and strategy consultants.
Automation has been a constant throughout history, and work has always kept up with it. Why would this time be any different?
>conservatives are so against automation.
Are they? I don't see why they would be unless the impeding automation boom is going to be tax payer funded. If that's the case, then people are working to put themselves out of jobs.
>I stole muh jerb
Sounds kinda stupid to be honest.
If my consciousness can evaporate into a handful of useful functions I wouldn't mind merging my mind with machines.
Would actually be pretty cool to exist without a biological body holding me back.
Reminder that truck driving represents 3.5 million jobs in the USA. They will all disappear within the next decade due to automation with the introduction of self-driving cars.
Can raiding and looting automatic trucks become a profession? We can finally employ the black community.
>Was the industrial revolution a bad thing for humanity?
"Yes" -J.R.R. Tolkien
>The only way I'll change my mind is if, for the first time ever, they would manage to run a profit.
He's an innovator, not a very shrewd businessman. Profit could never have been his real intention.
>can't understand why conservatives are against automation
Have you seen what too much time and not enough work does to a person
Wait
>kraut
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Because they won't cut down immigration, but also don't have the infrastructure to actually get UBI to anyone, nor can we support it at all.
It's just asking for roaming mobs of gibs people looting and murdering with the protection of the state.
these shitty things will cost at a minimum 2-3x as much as a regular manned semi
>Was the industrial revolution a bad thing for humanity?
oh and yes, yes it was
>People think blue collar jobs are in danger of being automated
Most blue collar jobs are physical, and require on the spot creative thinking. Nigger rigging isn't hard for a human to do, but it's impossible for modern AI to do.
White collar jobs are just as susceptible to automation. Metaprogramming is a great example of this. You tell an AI what you want a program to do, and it writes a program that does it.
Many financial/accounting jobs will become expensive redundancies compared to just using an AI, just like when computers started to be widely used in business.
Customer service has been in the process of automation for decades now. Robot calls were just the first step. Things like Siri or Cortana already do a much more complex job than customer service routing. You'd have to be an idiot to think that won't eventually replace most customer service jobs.
Yeah, getting cars, working medicine, electricity and else are SO SO BAD for humanity.
What a fucking faggot.
Germans were as conservative and based as it get in 1945. Is not the tech fault. It's the politicians on democracy selling them souls to profit at all coss.
Conservatives can't oppose both automation and welfare state.
Automation will only put more money into the pockets of the few, it will do the same as the industrial sector living US, and the financial sector growing. This, even that US is making much more money now, but workers seeing nothing of it.
In the other hand, not automatizing means China will do it, which is bad for US.
Conservatives need to get woke on gibs.
I can't wait. It will make hijacking cargo a breeze. The more everything becomes automated and based on AI the easier it is for me to hack it.
Is this pasta? Because if not CRINGE.
>For one, the Tesla Semi is a half baked solution to a nonexistent problem. It's an absolute shit truck. Do you think anyone is waiting for a truck with a 500 mile action radius while current diesel trucks can do 1400? Do you think anyone is looking for a $0.05/mile saving when the initial investment is $100k higher? The thing has no applicability. Zero. Nobody will buy this. It blows my mind that Elon dared present this as an accomplishment. This, along with the massive production problems of the model 3, are the nail in the coffin for Tesla. The only way I'll change my mind is if, for the first time ever, they would manage to run a profit.
For one, the Tesla Semi is a half baked solution to a nonexistent problem. It's an absolute shit truck. Do you think anyone is waiting for a truck with a 500 mile action radius while current diesel trucks can do 1400? Do you think anyone is looking for a $0.05/mile saving when the initial investment is $100k higher? The thing has no applicability. Zero. Nobody will buy this. It blows my mind that Elon dared present this as an accomplishment. This, along with the massive production problems of the model 3, are the nail in the coffin for Tesla. The only way I'll change my mind is if, for the first time ever, they would manage to run a profit.
For one, the Tesla Semi is a half baked solution to a nonexistent problem. It's an absolute shit truck. Do you think anyone is waiting for a truck with a 500 mile action radius while current diesel trucks can do 1400? Do you think anyone is looking for a $0.05/mile saving when the initial investment is $100k higher? The thing has no applicability. Zero. Nobody will buy this. It blows my mind that Elon dared present this as an accomplishment. This, along with the massive production problems of the model 3, are the nail in the coffin for Tesla. The only way I'll change my mind is if, for the first time ever, they would manage to run a profit.
>Innovator
>Known for taking a concept from the 1800s then applying a technique used in the 1910s and applying some tech from 1980s
If anything he is good at rehashing shit and selling as new. Hell the model s is a parts bin car in terms of electrical equipment. It blew my mind when I found to247 inverters. I used to buy those from RadioShack back in the early 2000s and even at that time it was a 15 year old product.
AI isn't easy to hack. Learn how neural networks work.
People need something productive to do. Big social problems would arise, even with UBI.
Also, tech is mostly for braindead STEMcell mutants who love their slavery.
My Dad is a diesel mechanic. I don't think you realize how about expensive just an oil change is. Factor in emissions and just those two things alone may offset the cost difference. Let me be clear if you are looking at the electric vs diesel cost then it can't justify it, but maintenance can. No urea tank! No emissions filters! No spark plugs! No fuel filter! So much saved for a vehicle designed to go a million miles.
alot of industries still have a long time before automation strikes. only plausible one is the service industry.
Over years not having to pay a driver alone will save millions of dollars, retard. Stop being so shortsighted.
Why the fuck it looks like a uncircumcised dick?
Why cant they make it look cool instead of makinh it look like shit
How is that cringe?
automation is objectively good, but it is usually handled poorly by corporate management and politicians. the people can't simply be replaced and fired for the system to maintain and prosper
>Was the industrial revolution a bad thing for humanity?
I'm personally not as confident anymore. And I'm glad about that.
It is evident that the last thing mankind needs is more development.
AI is super easy to hack. Learn how retarded incompetent humans code.
Until the Department of Transportation says you need a human driver for redundancy sake.
> make the mailing letters obsolete.
But it has. Have you seen any old-timey 'writing paper' in a store, recently? You know, for person-to-person letters? All my mail is bills and spam. And the bills say, 'please sign up to pay online'.
As opposed to ... ?
Fuck you faggot
No, instead you have motors, batteries, inverters, wires and other what would be parts bin shit considering Tesla which will be marked up upwards of 200% of their actual cost.
It depends on the context in which it issue is framed. Technology has yet to be reconciled with the human desire for autonomy. Until it is, if such a thing is even possible, things will continue to decline rather than improve.
There seem to be a lot of people running around with this rather naive concept embedded in their skull that once they are no longer necessary to the common good somebody or something is going to continue to subsidize their superfluous existence.
The only reason I go on living is to see the people who espouse this notion, suddenly no longer needed, lined up against a wall and shot.
It is literally the only way it's going to end.
I fail to see the resemblance Mr.Nip
The truck is version 1.0
Tech illiterate hipsters needed a cult of personality to fill the void left by death of Steve Jobs.
Literally rick and morty style of try hard brainlet trying to throw mud on Musk to feel less of a failure.
> Truck drivers make millions over the years
I want in.
Elon Musk isn't very smart or knowledgable. Just go watch him talk about how AI is going to take over the world, or basically anything engineering. He's a programmer trying to pretend to be a genius.
>Spending millions on new trucks and hardware to save millions
Vonnegut wrote a book called Player Piano which examines the whole automation problem quite well. It was written in like 1959 but if anything it's a lot more relevant now than it was at the time.
If you see people as nothing more than resources in / productivity out then you might just be a retard.
You do realize that disposal of those electric vehicle batteries is incredibly dangerous and if they're damaged in a crash we're talking poisonous toxic fumes.
>In light of Tesla's recent unveilig of their electric Semi and Volkswagen announcing a 35 billion investment in electric cars, everyone can agree that automation will hit us sooner than we expect.
Nope, Elon Musk is a conman. So automation won't come until 2030.
>No, instead you have motors, batteries, inverters, wires and other what would be parts bin shit considering Tesla which will be marked up upwards of 200% of their actual cost.
Most of that stuff need little to maintenance when compared to truck or car with internal combustion engine. Much less parts that require lubrication.
Yeah, another millennial faggot trying to feel better with their loser life. He never said he was a genius. He is treated as one.
You sound super super super cringy and retarded.
>Who gives a flying fuck
The economy.
Electric cars are good for the local environment as the pollution is created in building them and then scrapping them. Electric has a terrible impact when sources the metals for its construction and its batteries. And as this is largely in 3rd world countries, the left should be against their creation.
Why do you get upset when people say Elon Musk isn't a genius? You even admit that's what he's known as.
I thought it was liberals who were against automation.
It's going to lead to the ultimate extinction of 99% of the human race, and the ones that survive will be incorporated into supercomputers to become trans-dimensional beings, thereby fulfilling our purpose on earth and graduating to the next level of evolution.
But at least here is don't think this is even true most service industry staff don't work at McDonald's they work in some hipster cafe selling kinda over priced food to upper middle class people. The fact that all of these stores are abit different rules out automating these jobs away easily.
The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
So what are truck drivers, taxi drivers, bus drivers going to do? The food industry is already in the process of becoming automated. So is everything else. Even customer service is auto mated, what are those people going to do?
I love automation, it's responsible for so much good.
Neocons and backwater conservatives (who were brainwashed by neocons) are the only ones against it. Thankfully the republican part, and the right, have been replace with the alt-rigth.
So that means it's allowed to suck?
They die.
Stickman argument, don't know how you figure all of this user
Using existing tech is an important part of Tesla and space X cost control. Their only real innovation is doing what's necessary as far as manufacturing centralization and cutting costs goes.
Realistically speaking that is not going to happen. They will be on welfare. Also, a lot of the jobs that are being automated are usually held by the middle class. Are you saying the middle class should die too?
I'm a right wing conservative and a TSLA shareholder.
I'm not sure what OP is asking. Automation and innovation are just another step in human evolution.
The real focus should be finding work for those put out of jobs and proper education for those not yet in the workforce. STEM is the only future for the youngest generation.
Also, flying cars are a very real possibility in the next 10-15 years, but they'll really be just cessna-sized quadcopter drones.
I don't know about the states, but at least in BC you can go to the drug store and there's stationary. People mail letters all the time.
You realize that trains are all powered by electric motors? Even the diesel ones. It's simpler.
I think people speaking freely their opinion are disgusting. We need more german posters in this thread and less beurocratic dumb americans. Let's make operation paperclip great again. Lol. Dumb pol posters without any influence spewing their dumb opinion. I think you should all be gassed you fucken faggots.
>STEM is the only future for the youngest generation.
Just consider what that means though. It would be the first time in human history that a large chunk of the population wasnt doing manual labor
What I don't understand is trucker unions lobbying against truck automation. There are less people becoming truck drivers every generation and their is already more demand for drivers than there currently are. Why would they support the continuing overworking of drivers?
>Why would they support the continuing overworking of drivers
Drivers like to get over time
The age of the NEET is at hand
>Elon Musk is a conman
Do you really think so? At worst you could say he's too ambitious or delusional. He's not actively trying to fool people.
fucker should do a IPO so i can buy his fucken stock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ahHHhH
A) Because it kills people with no moral responsibility. It will fuck up
But this isn't automation, it's just electric.
SO
B) Because it's not better for the environment, nor does it really use less fossil fuels. It's just a giant science experiment. It's a tax funded scam.
Yes, he's rich from Paypal
A giant tax haven for financial criminals and untraceable illegal transactions. He's famous for spending lots of money on things, not actually inventing anything.
I'm not sure when real, hands' off automation will take place or exactly what it will look like, but there are vanishingly few places where you can have an extremely dangerous million dollar rapidly moving piece of equipment and not have an operator. The first shift will be self driving trucks with operators behind the wheel instead of drivers.
>untraceable
Leaf I....
>A giant tax haven for financial criminals and untraceable illegal transactions.
Do you mean bitcoin?
>Because it kills people with no moral responsibility. It will fuck up
Brainlet detected
>I want wind turbine energy and solar power.
Complete waste of money and ressources.
Bitcoin isn't untraceable. Do some research before you start spouting off falsehoods.
check out Monero, you faggot.