What is the truest/deepest meaning of the Evangelion series?

what is the truest/deepest meaning of the Evangelion series?

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Tomino is a hack

Love is necessary even if it hurts sometimes.

Fetish for mom manifest through fetish for tsundere

A mothers love for her child.

non sexual you fucks

Both of these are acceptable. Surprisingly accurate so early on.

wtf? this is not even a "meaning"

yes, this concept is present several times, but I doubt it is the ultimate interpretation of it all

"Kill yourselves you filthy weebs. I hate Rei and I hate all of you"

And it's true.

Love yourself.

being manlet is suffering

>Episode 1 - "I must not run away"
>Episode 26 - He doesn't run away
>EoE - Also you shouldn't either

This is probably the biggest one. There's also a lot of cosmic horror stuff in EoE like how horrifying knowledge of the universe and the incomprehensible can be.

Weeaboos are pathetic and disgusting

I look at it a different way. I think it's more in an esoteric way, like the personal horror of having a universe of personal consciousness and the infinite gulf between people rather than a Cthulhu type cosmic horror.

Cthulhu type cosmic horror *that exists outside of ourselves and the interpesonal, that is

I'd say that's definitely apart of it with the whole merging of consciousness and loss of identity parts but I was also referring more to the imagery that's used when the whole world is turning to tang and it's just impossible to explain what exactly is going on.

Anime needs better direction

>but I doubt it is the ultimate interpretation of it all
>Shinji learns to love himself
>Asuka learns to love others
>Rei learns what love is

We ran out of money, maybe if we're ambiguously random and pretentious enough, these kids will still be debating if there was a deeper meaning while we skip town.

And then basically a strange version of The Producers happened and it became a viable franchise.

Eva was set up to what you call random and pretentious from the very beginning.
Maybe it wouldn't have been a slideshow but "what the fuck did I just watch" threads would still be a thing.

Other people will hurt you but that's part of life?

I hate how people say they dont understand Eva.

They LITERALLY tell you what you're supposed to get from it in episodes 25 and 26. You cant be more specific than that.

>Eva was set up to what you call random and pretentious from the very beginning.
Look man, ambiguity and unresolved open plot threads are one thing, but going from semi-comprehensible to this makes less sense than the ending of 2001, the entirety of holy mountain, and mememe back to back while borderline blackout drunk or on acid is a different thing entirety.

there is a difference between "that was a surrealist approach which I may not have fully understood or been the target for every single aspect of but still of a comprehensible concept or theme" and *holds up spork*(in the hope that fanboys will assume it is profound).

Just put deep things if you have short budget.

What exactly do you find so random? We knew about the instrumentality we see in the last episodes since episode 2. And it's just characters talking about how they feel and seeing the true form of each other in a dark room.

And we do know what they would have done with a budget, it's called EoE.

The part that people don't understand is the objective plotline
>what are angels even trying to do, if anything, seeing how everything is layered with keikakus and Adam isn't even in the central dogma
>why is Gendo fighting SEELE tooth and nail when in the end they want the same fucking thing to happen
>everyone is a triple agent and everyone knows about it, NERV as an organization is held together solely by the fact that people bother to show up to work in-between holding each other at a gunpoint
>considering all of the above, it's even more interesting to know who would even spare the time of their day to actually kill that motherfucker Kaji
>SEELE and Gendo taking turns saying how everything goes exactly as planned while their plans are held together exclusively by the fact that Shinji manages to get into the robot in-between his bitch fits
>eventually the project known as instrumentality struggles against the psyche of a 14 y/o teenager and falls apart anyway

>why is Gendo fighting SEELE tooth and nail when in the end they want the same fucking thing to happen
Not all instrumentalities are created equally. Gendo wanted control over it

>what are angels even trying to do
Rejoin with Adam and cause another Impact, destroying Lilith based life so that they can take their rightful place as the main life of Earth.

>why is Gendo fighting SEELE tooth and nail when in the end they want the same fucking thing to happen
They don't. This is such a common misconception that it's amazing you haven't seen people answer it already.

>everyone is a triple agent and everyone knows about it
Kaji and...?

>SEELE and Gendo taking turns saying how everything goes exactly as planned while their plans are held together exclusively by the fact that Shinji manages to get into the robot in-between his bitch fits
Their plans are to destroy Angels and hold enough key components that they can start up Instrumentality to further their own goals. They're playing a close game of chess and, ultimately, they both lose.

>eventually the project known as instrumentality struggles against the psyche of a 14 y/o teenager and falls apart anyway
Pro tip: Neither Seele nor Gendo wanted to have Shinji at the head of Instrumentality. Gendo was betrayed, and Seele decided it was good enough so fuck it.

>SEELE has no qualms about a mentally challenged 14 y/o deciding how it goes instead
Fucking over Gendo must've been a really high priority then. Poor man couldn't catch a break.

Rei > Asuka

Does anyone else think that Anno didn't have a real meaning for Eva either?

>Rejoin with Adam and cause another Impact
Adam wasn't even there to begin with. An angel coming in contact with Lilith does fuck all. Ever noticed how Kaworu was well intent on charging into central dogma until he realized that Adam wasn't there? For all anyone cared they could've invited the rest of the angels in so that they could also do a dumb face and kill themselves.
>They don't
EoE shows otherwise
>Kaji and...?
Misato
>Neither Seele nor Gendo wanted to have Shinji at the head of Instrumentality.
SEELE was fine with it, seeing how they started it anyway.

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Qualms? They have no say on it

>Adam wasn't even there to begin with.
The best explanation is that Lilith and Adam both have similar "frequencies" that the Angels follow, making it easy to confuse the two. They picked up a signal and followed it hoping it was Adam; this is why Gaghiel didn't go to Tokyo-3. After that episode, they're in the same place anyway.

>EoE shows otherwise
No, it explicitly shows that they don't when Rei fucking betrays Gendo and goes against his plans.

>Misato
So one whole other person, and she only starts digging about half way into the series. That's a far cry from "Everyone's a triple agent." It's one guy doing some digging, then leaving his girlfriend with what he's found when he realizes he got in too deep.

>SEELE was fine with it
>and Seele decided it was good enough so fuck it.

It was their mass-produced evas that started the instrumentality. They literally gave the order.
>people claim to understand EVA perfectly while missing obvious plot points

That's not what puts Shinji on the helm dummy, Lilith puts Shinji on the helm.
>people claim to understand EVA perfectly while missing obvious plot points
It sure happens

Instrumentality is disgusting.

>The best explanation is that Lilith and Adam both have similar "frequencies" that the Angels follow
None of this is explained in the series and is a valid point for people to get confused over. What you've typed is conjecture.
>No, it explicitly shows that they don't when Rei fucking betrays Gendo and goes against his plans.
I'm not seeing why SEELE would lead a direct attack on NERV HQ if they weren't at odds with it
>So one whole other person
She's NERV's commanding officer when it comes to the actual operations, for crying out loud. There's also Ritsuko who's got a family trait of backstabbing Gendo at the most unfortunate moments.
>and Seele decided it was good enough so fuck it.
How is that not something to be confused over?
>organizations wants thing and works towards it the whole series
>organization is okay when thing goes completely wrong, lol, fuck it

Fuyutsuki says that it's up to Shinji now way before anything of the stuff with giant Rei even happens. It must be pretty obvious that the person in the cockpit of a god is going to have a hand in deciding how it all happens.
>people claim to understand EVA perfectly while missing obvious plot points
crazy, isn't it?

I'm not PURELY saying it was random, I'm primary saying it was shallow and I'm more saying that anyone who purports it as deep or meaningful probably didn't understand it and was more dazzled by the ambiguity and appreciation of the series (and don't get me wrong; I'm not saying eva is a bad series, I'm saying it's a hilariously overrated one, for the aforementioned reason of a combination of nostalgic appreciation and [presumably] lack of comprehension) to 'get it'. The fairly simple 'character feelings and perceptions and underlying issues" were by any and all means sufficiently conveyed by the primary content prior to that train wreck of an ending.

Hell I'm probably biased in this as I didn't watch eva until I was in my mid 20s, probably a good 10 years after it aired, as well as a good 10 years after it would probably resonated with more effectively, but as a kid in a midwest, I didn't even really know that such a thing as "anime" existed at that point, but now looking back as far as I've seen, in terms of more subjective enjoyment and objective quality of technical/execution (BOTH in regards to similar classic 'mecha' like robotech and its derivatives, or more modern 'mecha battle harem' like infinite stratos or muv luv etc...). Although I guess I can conceed eva may have been an important watershed moment in the transition between contemporaries; but honestly I don't know, I wasn't even AWARE of anime in 95) I have seen far better, and far worse.

Don't get me wrong, If they get a 4.444 or something out, you can bet you ass I'll watch it as soon as I can. I'm "in it" for nostalgia at this point too. But really if you look at it "out of time" eva is a pretty unexceptional series. I guess you just "had to be there" when it happened to fully appreciate it; and frankly I wasn't.

Rei best girl tho.

>What you've typed is conjecture.
And it is the best explanation we have. Not everything is explained; that doesn't mean you can't figure out what's most likely.

>I'm not seeing why SEELE would lead a direct attack on NERV HQ if they weren't at odds with it
Because they were at odds with Nerv. What are you even trying to argue?

>She's NERV's commanding officer
Yeah? And she does her job while trying to figure out what alterior motives Gendo has, because as it turns out, both he and Seele are thinking beyond saving the world.

>There's also Ritsuko who's got a family trait of backstabbing Gendo
Her mom doesn't really backstab gendo at all; at most she kills Rei I, which turns out not to mean a whole lot. Ritsuko falls into a personal trap of falling in love with Gendo and tries to backstab him because of it, but that doesn't make her a double triple agent.

>How is that not something to be confused over?
I'm giving you explanations for things, not saying you have no right to be confused about things.
>organization is okay when thing goes completely wrong, lol, fuck it
Things did not go completely wrong. As I said, it was close enough so they went for it. Ultimately, it backfired against them.

Almost as if he is following the situation and has info Seele wouldn't. What you think is pretty obvious is apparently pretty wrong since Rei deciding is entirely explicit and an essential part of the plot.

It keeps happening!

I rewatched the Rebuilds not too long ago, and I noticed something : each of the rebuilds draws its soul from one of Anno's great works. 1.11 is pure and simple early NGE, with little influence from his other works. 2.22 is very Gunbuster-ish, what with the actual somewhat healthy romance going on, the SoL like segments, and the honest to god hypefest friendship power battles. And 3.33 is totally a big old homage to Nadia : secret of the Blue Water.

I expect 3.0+1.0 to honor Anno's greatest work, the latter half of NGE and EoE. My body is ready.

>I'm giving you explanations for things, not saying you have no right to be confused about things.
Fair enough. Though the whole premise of the argument was that >I hate how people say they dont understand Eva
When, apparently, there are points that can't be uniformly understood due to the lack of an official explanation in the series

Faggot.

3+1.0 is going to be Kare Kano inspired actually

Well I'm not that person.

You said the things that are hard to understand are the objective plot of the show rather than the message it presents, and I offered you explanations for those. With the exception of the reason why the Angels target Tokyo-3, I answered your questions well enough, and I think the argument for why they attack Tokyo-3 has enough to back it up that it prevails as the strongest reason for it.

The point is that, even with the plain plot of the series, there is plenty that you can understand.

WTF MAN WHY ARE YOU ASKING THE MEANING OF A SHOW JUST WATCH IT YOU FUCKING TROGLODYTE THAT'S YOUR EXPLANATION JUST WATCH IT AND IT'S OBVIOUS. FUCK.

>Almost as if he is following the situation and has info Seele wouldn't.
How exactly wouldn't SEELE know that they're starting a world-ending ritual around an eva that has a NERV pilot inside it? I suppose they would also know that they haven't secured Lilith either so for all they know Gendo could be deep throating it to a Beatles song at the moment.

It's almost as if the whole thing doesn't make sense to begin with

>They picked up a signal and followed it hoping it was Adam
I have to wonder if they searched Antarctica first. That'd be cute

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That's not the part that they had to know. They just didn't expect the literal Goddess of their cult to be swayed by the dumbass pilot. They provided the instruments for her use thinking it would go their way.

Main message of Evangelion is that interpersonal relationships are worthwhile, even if people end up hurting each other. It is worth it for those times when people don't and good things happen.

Anno basically used Eva as a way of coping with and getting over his depression.

That was 2.0. The music during the aquarium, Impact flashback, and Asuka and Shinji's pillowtalk were all Kare Kano tracks. That other tree sucks and is wrong.

Where is this from? Girlfriend of Steel?

You can argue that it doesn't really matter what Anno envisioned when he created Eva. The "Death of the Author" school of analysis basically states that if you can convincingly argue that a given piece of art is about X, then it is about X, no matter what the author was thinking.

>as a way of coping with and getting over his depression.
I hate this pretentious ass phrase so much

You are the person you are because of the people around you and the same goes for everyone else.

What about it?

>2.0 Kare Kano
Hmm, then I'd be pretty fucking down for a Gunbuster 4.0.

Princess Maker

I've heard it so many times when people talk about eva and punpun and and it never gets explained or mean anything. much like everything else they say about it.

>>Rei learns what love is
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Oh thanks. Almost didn't get it

being normal isn't that bad

It's Godzilla. The theme's been Anno works with Sagisu, they ran out of collaborations to reference and had to make another movie first.

What do EVA fans think of FSN and its deep themes?

Kara no Kyoukai has more DEEB and it's still a nice little book with a great adaptation.

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REEEEEEEEEEEE CASUAL FATEFAGS GET OUT OF MY THREAD

HF movie when? And Tohsaka best fategirl.[\spoiler]

I'm biased against eroge and can't judge it fairly for some reason.

Self-love

TOHSAKA PLEASES OLD MEN FOR MONEY

OHOHOHOHOHO

What do you think?

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I think that I can't stop relating that style and those sound effects to back when I was a rapist in Tsukihime

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Type-Moon's best work in my opinion

I probably enjoyed it the most too.
Only one to get me hype too

Fucking Sause?

But that's wrong, the message is that it's okay to run away

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fucking kek
it's from fargo season one great show btw

Everyone dies alone, but what truly matters is inner peace.

Look, I'm not a deep thinker. But watching the show blind, my conclusion was that Shinji had gone mad and the world had ended. The last two episodes were about him resolving his issues before moving on to the afterlife.

I mean, we saw Misato and Ritsuko dead. That's pretty conclusive. Obviously something catastrophic happened.

Have you seen EoE?

Yes, but that was years later. My thoughts at the time were "Well, it makes sense. Without Shinji, they all died in the next Angel attack. It had to happen eventually."

"Do your best to not be a faggot."

Alternatively:

"We need others in our lives. Not just for companionship, but also to help define our own interpretation of ourselves through the critiques of others."

That's pretty damn good

Shinji should've stayed home

Have you ever struggled with depression? I have, so I'll try to sort out this conjecture.

Everybody know Anno was depressed while making Evangelion. When you are depressed, you tend to want to isolate yourself from others, partly because you don't want them to discover the pain you carry because you are embarrassed by your weakness, and partly because you want to spare others from the pain you feel, because pain can be contagious. So you lock yourself away from others. They don't understand what you're going through, and you don't want them to; it would only cause them pain. This is how Anno felt while writing Evangelion. He wanted to shut out others.

But he knew that shutting out others was self destructive. So, he wrote EVA to convince himself that interpersonal relationships are a good thing and healthy for him. By writing an ending in which Shinji learns to appreciate himself and that human interaction, while sometimes negative, is better for us in the long run, and THEN inserting himself into Shinji's shoes, Anno tried to teach himself these lessons. He knew these lessons already, but being depressed made it hard for him to act on them without having someone else experience them first. It's like an addict who recognizes they have a problem and knows how to deal with it, but can't bring themselves to kick their addiction without the help of others. Anno substituted his characters for the "others". He essentially learned by Shinji's example.

Sorry if that was incoherent.

Thanks. I basically stole it from Mother's Basement's EoE video.

Have you tried sudoStef videos?
He is getting better with time.

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Don't maaturbate, procreate

Who are you? Literally. Self-identity is only found within yourself. What makes you important or how you get to make relationships. Why are you alive? Basically, just big bashes of existentialism mixed with some other themes. Probably one of the most philosophical series I have ever seen.

>Doesn't make it good or bad, just makes it '"there"

My bad, I actually did mean sudoStef. I get the two confused sometimes. I like Stef's content, but I dislike his voice. I like MB better due to his narration.

He has an EoE video? I've watched most of his stuff and I don't know how I'd miss that

I'm fine with his voice, he needs to have "focus" in his videos.

Mother's basement does have a fucking great voice I could listen to him talk about anything. Too bad he only reviews newer anime except for naruto for whatever reason.