Where my brehs at? What's next for Scroatland? East Dunbartonshire reporting.
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>Kezia Dugdale reprimanded for her desire to 'chew Kangaroo appendages' on the telly
By-now-I've-resigned-myself-to-accept-it's-impossible mode: no butthurt anglo chimp-outs ITT
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robert Mugabe next leader of scots
Dundee here, still fuckin' pissed that Scottish Dawn got Sturgeon'd
They got Rudd'd actually.
Were you planning on joining?
Yeah was planning on getting more /fit/ and start spreading the message, but we're fucked now I suppose likes
Preferred Idi Amin desu. At least he had the charisma
Keep your eyes open.
Rog boyo, if something comes up I'm ready
I had a coffee with (((Fraser))) of SD but he DOXXed shortly afterwards. Rudd showing her autism level by literally banning a humble litter-picking association.
Inverclyde cunt here. How do we get rid of the yellow menace?
SD literally does what the council won't fuckin' do, pure fannies likes
Helicopter rides.
You should focus on yourselves. Get /fit/ and read up on history ect. Try taking up some Gàidhlig lessons if that's your thing.
certainly is an idea
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>lot a good bouys
>good bouys
>weldin' fuckin' ships thigither
Sturgeon is the only problem for me. They should get the Big Yin Salmond back. At least he was a laugh.
>tfw Scotland allied with Russian nationalist propagandists
Gaelic is more a Western Highland thing, to be honest. I would say that you should try to know Scots, if anything.
Are you a separatist?
Still good to preserve it. It also makes english people feel uneasy if you and a bunch of lads are all speaking it.
>hey should get the Big Yin Salmond back
why would you want this if you're against Russian propaganda?
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Dunno senpai. I'm content the way hings are until I come across a mouth breather or a pretentious anglo. Basically day-to-day I'm alright so I don't really care. But when that question is put to you, it stirs something deeper which is normally hidden, ken.
I think it's quite funny. It's Alex Salmond, the man's a living legend and harmless.
Also, hope you fellas are going to Church (of Scotland.)
Based norway bot is back. You're still not getting shetland back, we won it fair and square.
Norway best ally
Agreed, Scots is great for confusing the fuck out of foreigners. They can never seem to decipher haggis tongue.
Theres no focus on anything aspirational in Scottish politics, all the talk is on benefits, higher taxes for public services, bitching about progressive minutiae, bitching about Tories (still), it's fucking depressing.
Theres a power vacuum for a real nationalist party. I think a lot of people here vote conservative, but not tory, if that makes sense.
>Scottish Dawn
I'm Scottish and I've never even heard of them. Didn't think Scotland had the balls for something like that anymore.
Have some burger!
>This thread didn't turn into a shitshow with anglos and that one spanish snp cuck.
Good work lads.
problem with Scottish politics is that the SNP have grabbed proper working class nationalists as well as the middle class traditional tartan tories and uni student "would be nationalists"
They are lying underhanded idiots but they are a mile better than two faced labour or the conservatives
The problem we have here is voting for any centre or right leaning party would be shooting ourselves in the foot
Both the conservatives and UKIP parties are mirrored joke versions of their Westminster masters
Plus there are no decent christian political parties
I would literally vote for the monster raving loony party at this rate over any of them
If we had a proper UKIP-esque party, would people even vote for them?
I don't think so. I'm pretty pessimistic about the Scottish population it's one of the reasons I don't support Scottish independence right now.
I would but the problem with ukip was that people only ever saw it as a brexit single issue party.
I actually agreed with a lot of their manifesto.
If there was a Scottish centric version with the same stances, maybe a bit more ethnic and a bit more enviromentalist then that would be ideal.
ALBA GU BR-
>jailed for 15 years
I don't mind being part of the union if we can change our politics
It feels that being tied to England the nationalist route is forcing a lot of people become contrarian
Also any excuse for Sturgeon to shout about
how different we are,
And when England is being somewhat Euro skeptic and refugee skeptic it doesn't help our case
We HAVE to like refugees, social marxism, the EU etc etc
Care to explain your hate crime user before we lock you up?
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Ex-Scotsman here. When I last visited the old country (2014) I had a taxi driver take me from the Edinburgh Airport and he spent the whole time complaining about the EU. When I asked him if he was thinking of voting UKIP he looked at me as if I were crazy. Anti-Saxonism is the Scottish Achilles's heel; Scots will never pursue sensible political solutions if they are seen as coming from south of the border
The we wuz colonial brigade enters the scene. Time to flee, lads.
>we wuz colonial
I'm Canadian, but I was born and raised in Scotland. Whether that makes me "colonial" or not I don't know, and don't really care
Very much a matter of 'always do the opposite of what England does.'
Same bro. I voted independence in 2014 but i hate the crowd now. Such faggots.
I know it sounds batshit, but I'm starting to think there might be something to the
>Kezia Dugdale is an SNP mole
conspiracy theory.
Her father is a well known SNP supporter. She was an SNP supporter until she got an internship with George Foulkes of Labour - she'd applied for a few with the SNP before that. She's talked utter bollocks for years and brought Scottish Labour to new lows. Now she's in a relationship with an SNP MSP.
Then, on the day her party announce their new leader - when obviously they'd be looking to hit the ground running by setting out a new direction - she steals all the headlines by announcing she's going on a chav favourite torture-porn reality show.
Really makes me think...
Her girlfriend is a SNP MSP as well...
Love Scotland
Tfw you live just a few miles away from the emperor's golf course
tfw you're related to the emperor
Stornoway?
there's almost as many Scots in Canada as there are in Scotland
if they're living outside the UK they don't classify as Scots Trudeau
It feels like our population is completely cucked / completely unaware of the NWO and their nature rights.
We need:
1. All the shit-skins out.
2. A gov that acknowledges natural rights and stops interfering in every single aspect of our lives.
>Muh ancestors
>how to manage relations with a neighbour that is overwhelmingly more powerful than you
That's the new reality facing nationalist deep thinkers and strategists.
Scotland would face the same assymetric power dynamic it did for centuries, and which ultimately forced it into Union in the first place.
The EU was the solution to that. It's a free trade zone and, importantly, both an independent Scotland and r UK/England would have been members. England wouldn't have been able to wield Scotland's huge theoretical trade deficit with England against it.*
With Brexit, the game has changed. Scotland wouldn't have the legal framework for of the EU to protect it against English economic power.
And if Scotland somehow stayed in the EU? Don't think England would accept that lying down. England would view that as it did Scotland's alliance with France - a threat to English national interest. It would be *forced* to use it's economic leverage to force Scotland into compliance. You couldn't blame it. Any country in its position would do the same.
Brevity changes everything. If it goes a head, I don't think it will be in the Scottish national interest to seek independence unless there is significant devolution in England, to the point that Scotland can compete with similar sized economic blocks rather than an English national bloc. Things are moving in that direction, but slowly and hesitantly. It might take a very long time.
t. Nationalist, as in someone who wants what's in the Scottish national interest.
We need guaranteed and I mean GUARANTEED freedom of speech.
The opposite of what we have now.
Unless emigrants, I reckon. Provided they haven't been at all assimilated.
What we need is less soyboy faggots like you living in an Alex-Jones-tier conspiracy world. 1. needs to be dialled down. Low, Scots-first immigration policy would suffice. RN we have childless women trying to get in immis to fill that hole in their lives. 2. Yes, I agree, to an extent.
>overwhelmingly
not so much. but the rest of your post is correct. until we start depending less on english markets for trade, we might as well stay in the union unless we continue to get increasingly large numbers of immigrants from england. RN i don't think it's that bad to merit a separation. we also need to increase our population relative to england.
yes. this. even muslims need to have it. christianity makes the most sense and even with free speech for all parties, I'm sure it will win out at the end. also we need to stop worshipping foreign cultures and start venerating and edifying our own.
good thread for once, fellas
Do you guys dispise us Ulster Scot prodesants like every other cucked part of the world
Where abouts in east Dumbartonshire, Kirkintilloch here.
Well my old man came from Glasgow and married a second gen Italian here so I suppose I'm a rootless mutt but I look Scottish
>t. Hans Abdulaziz Mohammad
This is such an important factor
We need to have our own magna carta, own bill of rights if/when we seperate
Crucial factors we need to address and ensure exist
>unfaltering freedom of speech
>completely independent press
>Dissolve all current political parties
and lastly either
>less state involvement or far more public control i.e stupidly voting via text/online on every bill/law proposed ourselves
Politicians in Scotland are corrupt as fuck
>like every other cucked part of the world
You mean like every else in the world
And to clarify, I'm not pro-EU. I was confident that the SNP leadership planned to enter EFTA rather than apply for full membership. I won't say more than that, except to say that the natural inclinations of nationalists is not to sign away sovereignty, especially when you've only just got it back.
The SNP will be what it has to be to hold power in Scotland. Salmond understood that he had to drag the party to the left to win Scotland and break the power of Labour. Pragmatism (a word Salmond likes). Gradualism is all about pragmatism.
Being pro-EU on the face of it is pragmatic - the majority of Scots are pro-EU...
My point is this. There are two scenarios in which an independent Scotland would be in the national interest
>if both countries were in the EU
>if England devolved into regional entities (a kind of revival of the heptarchy), making Scotland a relative equal of each - like pre-Athelstan times
Any other scenario sets up a highly imbalanced power dynamic, or positions Scotland as a potential threat to England if Scotland serves the interests of England's competitors in Europe/beyond.
This is reality when you take the feels out of it.
I get that you're fighting for your right to exist in Ireland and all that, but you could perhaps dial down the aggressiveness a tad. Also - change flag to St Andrews Cross.
>Dum
fraudulent claim detected. Bearsden.
This is why emigrating to the (((free))) TM world is a bad idea unless you stick with your ethnic group. Not having a clear identity gives people mental problems.
Of course a taig would have an objection to my question . Seeming that your own government is runned by a fruit packie
>Do you guys dispise us Ulster Scot prodesants
No but see
Your flag is too anglo for me
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Pre-Aethelstan times. Kek. It's only been 1000 years my boy. How would we even D&C England that much anyway? The solution is a larger population in Scotland, but since 1707, anglo population exploded. I think they might have us desu, unless we can expand to 0.5 england. We have the land, but we need to spread our cities to the southern border and develop northern cities too. The SE has control of housing and urban planning does it not?
I agree with the flag idea but funnily enough we don’t even have an official flag for Northern Ireland. But I do think it’s a shame that a lot of my community gets a bad rap
You are a stupid cunt. And I have a low tolerance for stupid cunts.
Kill yourself immediately.
Your *clap* Autism *clap* Is *clap* Part *clap* Of *clap* The *clap* Problem *clap*
We don't do the d&c. They've been doing it themselves. Look at the super mayors, northern powerhouse, etc. I don't know if the driving forces behind it genuinely believe in local democracy, or have some other motive, but there have been powerful forces pushing devolution in England for decades now. The north-east parliament wasn't a goer, but I wager it'll be revived at some point. Yorkshire is seeking more regional power - stick those two and Cumbria together and you'll have your kingdom of Northumbria, lad (or don't and you have something like its earlier constituent kingdoms, Bernica etc.).
Mayor of Manchester is a big job, politically. And it's a trend. Once people in the regions get power, they'll seek more of it (look at Edinburgh).
Like I said, it's slow and hesitant, but England is moving in that direction. Resentment of London/southeast will only help drive sentiment that way. 20-30 years? Who knows?
To clarify. I'm not suggesting England will breakup. That won't happen. Just regions will become more autonomous and so will compete as independent statelets (as US states do, signing heir own trade deals etc.). If doing a deal with Scotland is in their interest, they'll do one, and the negotiation would be between two roughly equal parties. Put it this way, the trade deficit is less when the other party only has, say, equal to twice your population rather than more than 10x. Plus Scotland is and has always been one of the highest producing regions - it outperforms most other parts of the UK.
But it needs fair access to those UK markets - they're what allows it to have such a strong position. It gets fair access now because of the Union. It would get fair access if both it and England were in the EU. However, in a bilateral negotiation, England would have every right to leverage Scotland's dependence on English markets to maximise it's own position - all's fair in love and war...and business.
Also, the cost of developing new towns in the north would be astronomical - the infrastructure isn't there. Inverness will just grow, along with some of the smaller towns nearby.
The government will always go for bang for buck - meaning developing what's there, mainly in the central belt. The public auditors would throw a hissy fit if they were to risk massive investment in a new town in the Highlands in this day and age. Politics is too short-term nowadays.
Look into the population of some highland towns and villages pre-clearances by the way. Places like Applecross, where a handful of families live now. Thriving. I've read estimates that the Scottish population would be 20 million if they hadn't happened. Not sure if accurate, but the diaspora is bigger than that so quite possibly. We did that to ourselves though, or it was oor ain that did it. Our nobles have tended to be utter opportunistic cunts, from the days of the moarmars to the present (except now they all speak with English accents and went to public school).
>catholic
lol gay
Are you a boomer?
You sound like a boomer.
I'm 25. How do I sound like a boomer?
When all three of our main political party leaders are female, left leaning LARPers (CivNat, cuckservative, Commie sow) things go downhill pretty quickly.
Tfw oldfag who can remember the "settler watch" operated in my area (not even that old). They left graffiti tags back in those days.
>the only one of these four wham wid shag yi is wee Willie Rennie
Packies and gays are the true enemy
you dont even have your own flag to post with.
you cucked out for your own freedom fuck you
Presbyterians are Iconoclast wannabes, makes sense that a bunch of cucks would create our own cuck religion and we would convert to it despite going against long standing tradition...
>Only 0.1% of our populous is jewish
>Our first, first minister was most likely jewish
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The only way Scotland becomes independent is via an English parliament, which would kill the Union entirely.
Until an English parliament is created, the status quo will remain.
But can you agree that in 2016 the SNP rigged the Brexit vote in Scotland by telling people to vote Remain for a second referendum?
And then you had 57% of voters bother to vote at all, let alone 62% for Remain (which has backfired massively for the SNP as they lost 21 MPs for not only their incompetency, but hijacking Remain votes as being equal to independence votes).
People just don't seem to understand the true logistics of the EU vote in Scotland. It was never "overwhelmingly Remain", the leave camp never tried hard when they should have, there would have been many places in Scotland voting leave.
Presbyterianism is GOAT. Haters will say it's fake.
>Implying DD wasn't a good boy
>Implying the Scot has anything to fear from Jews
Nigga, we're immune to the Jews
>40%
So you think as soon as a separate English parliament is created, that's it? Hmm. Maybe.
That's not rigging a vote. It's politics done well. Anyway, SI Ref and Brexit Ref are old news. Everybody's moving on now. Anglo, be calm.
>Presbyterianism is literally known for being big on social justice
Look up Iconoclasm alongside Presbyterianism and you will understand how it is a heretical clone of another heresies heresy (as seen from a catholic point of view)
Catholicism is bunk, but they're still Christians (maybe.) If you want the Truth, you go to a Presbyterian church and you read your Bible and pray to the Lord for guidance. Christianity is big on social justice, moron.
signing in for honeypot
England is a great country
>fighting for Social Justice in this century is a desirable quality
PB Church is just half filled with a bunch of old people and super brainwashed doltish children, not the most engaging of places...
Which is a shame, because Bible preaching is what's needed these days. Maybe if you and others like you went on a Sunday, it wouldn't be so filled with those types you don't seem to like.
Social justice means different things to different people
the path to independence in scotland is blocked by the right, who seem to think the union is worth saving.
however /theirgirl/ wanted to turn scotland into another sweden, so the cucked unionists might have inadvertently saved us for a decade.
>Anyway, SI Ref and Brexit Ref are old news.
Not when Sturgeon keeps on screeching for another one
Literally, haven't heard shit or cared to investigate for a few months now.
Right wing Scots are not just based but funny. Supporting Rangers, singing unionist songs, BTFOing C*tholics and still giving us English lads shit is quality banter.
>Uses a different countries flag
user, I... think you're retarded
Our church is even more cucked than the catholic church, from my experience those closest to it are the most misguided.
Yeah I suppose the Salvation army is generally a good thing, but words are very tricky things, especially when different permutations can be derived from important ones. It is similar to how you have both jew haters and jew lovers in Catholicism who can each validly point to Papal decrees or bible verses as to why they believe as they do.
>Meme team Rangers which have half of their front team being foreign compared to Celtic who won the European cup with Glasgow boys.
Is there any reason to support them right now other than the bants, and or staying on that side of the Old Firm?
Yawn and cringe
>Irish immigrants
>Glasgow boys
when i worked in england this is something i heard a lot of, lots of people had opinions on that vile, loudmouthed, brash screechy scocht manlady, none of whom had ever actually heard her speak or listened to her rhetoric.
just parroting lines from the daily mail, exprress, starr etc i tried not to defend her given the SNP larped as full commie for cheap votes but its the sort of stuff i heard with fat salmond aswell.
the next elections in scotland will be hell as labour and the SNP try to out left each other, with that guy ruth sweeping up loads of votes by virtue of being the only other option, at least last time she admitted herself the folk voting for the blue team last time werent exactly committed conservatives. im expecting a lot of the people who tactically voted against the SNP last time to go back to their own parties thinking the jobs done
Trust me, that's a myth. This is not what SNP strategists wanted - forget the spin. You put the best spin on it you can.
The SNP wanted a remain vote UK wide, for the reasons I've explained above. Scotland can't survive next door to a hostile England. It needs free access to English markets. That's the lesson the Wars of Independence taught us (these people are very clever and know their history).
The EU offered a unique solution. With both Scotland and England being members of the single market, free trade was guaranteed.
Scotland *cannot* be a member of the EU when England is not. England cannot allow that. That's the Ails Alliance all over again. It would be intolerable for the English.
So it's both in or nothing for the time being. That's why you've seen a step back from the SNP. No one is certain about what to do next. No one wants to lose the steam that's built up, but this isn't a good time to seek independence.
I still suspect Brexit won't happen. I've been around - the kind of guy lurking in the background of conference photos - and seen some shit. Too much of the establishment is anti-Brexit. That would open the door to independence again.
Otherwise, as I said, we'd have to wait 20-30 years and hope for significant devolution in England, to improve our relative position.
>England is a great country
>Flag of the United Kingdom
Dundee here also, representing Stobie yo.