Vladimir Lenin

Honest opinions on this guy? One of the most revered figure on the Left, a very effective separator of the church and state. However, even Putin seems to have a disdain for him as vid below shows

youtube.com/watch?v=lIoEwESh320

>inb4 he's a fucking JEW

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what should i think about a man whose thoughts are killing our society?

Commie butcher.
His filthy corpse need to be taken from the center of out country like 25 years ago.

Last I checked, Lenin's Mausoleum is still opening right?

just cuz you Inb4 it doesnt mean he wasnt one

former king of the cucks

Lenin's mother was Jewish, she converted to Orthodox Christianity. Inb4 is to save the hysteria

I just leave it here

she was a secular Lutheran half Jew half german.

Lenins father was a orthodox Chuvash who died and after his death Lenin became an edgy violent kid

Correct. (((Lenin))) and (((Stalin))) are quite obviously Zionists. Being Jewish doesn't automatically make them evil. But their ideology was most certainly evil.

that's not putin in the video

today's putin looks completely different

Stalin is Georgian

Absolutely amazing tactician of a type which the far-right desperately needs today
Instead we are stuck with patriotards who will fall prey to neocon tricks or useful idiots like Dicky

>((Stalin))
hey retard, you just weaken the (())

Like Obama, but with a set of balls.

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tf you talking about? It was young Putin. The point of the interview is to see if he has changed his mind of that

Alright then. I'm not arguing their genetics. I'm saying that they both supported a certain ideology which has done untold damage to this world. Zionists aren't the only bad guys out there, the evil in the world is vast. These facts are still important to point out

>t. Vladimir Putin
not that you're wrong, communism was a psyop to destroy russia

everyone hates russians. even in the end, when lennin himself said he hated his people and his communist utopia had failed

when did he say that? Can you show it?

On one hand corpse desecration might seem suitable to the criminal of his magnitude.*
On the other hand people go still there to unironically worship the madman.

*I'd still they to be a christian and be done with this farce - let the dead lie in piece no matter what cunts they were in their life.

Germans unleashed him on Russia to take it down from within. Quite successful, too much so and Germany was paid back for this in ww2.
He created the gulag death camps and was responsible for its growth. Destroyed objective truth in Russia for decades. Should have been helicoptered long before he reached power.

I'm not sure what you're talking about but I'm not trying to weaken anything. If you can tell me how to better help the cause let me know.

Great man. Savior of the Russian worker class and rightful destroyer of swine and the Tsar and his capitalist allies

Lenin was never in favor of putting Stalin in power. With that said, he did inflict a lot of damage on the Russians

We'll look what we have here, a fucking comedian!! Decent troll 4/10

been looking for the source online, i'll try find the book i read it in but im honestly not gonna look that hard so assume its a lie

This doesn't make sense. Religion was nearly outlawed in the Soviet Union. Just because some of the quotes match doesn't mean they tried to make Communism christian.

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I second a request on that source if you have time man. Communists always love to diefy their past leaders, I'd love to throw that quote in their face! Fuck I hate commies

Stalin wasn't a jew genetically, he was off near peasant Georgian stock. His dad fixed shoes for a living and Stalin went to school to become a priest.

I think you're missing the point. I'm not gonna say that you don't know what you're talking about but who gives a fuck that his dad fixed shoes? Alright he wanted to be a priest. Thanks for the fun anecdotes but we're talking big shit here

I think it may be getting to make the connection that when you do outlaw religion, the state essentially becomes your God.

Recently there was a lot of documentaries on BBC about the Russian history due to the anniversary of the revolution in Russia.

Syphilistic jew that destroyed Europe. Hell is not enough for him.

I like that picture. Thanks. I'm not anti jewish. I'm anti Zionist. I'm also anti Islam for the most part, I see it as more of a political/military ideology than a religion. Same as Zionism. I don't like ideologies that don't value the lives of non believers such as myself

And you can see the difference. Lenin was anti-russian internationalist, Stalin was some kind of pseudo-nationalist.

>even Putin seems to have a disdain for him
Because Putin LARPs as an Imperialist

It's all relevant, you dumb leaf. Jews did certain professions and were near non-existent in Georgia. And they certainly wouldn't send their son to become an orthodox priest. Stalin's real name was Dughashvili. How many European jews have names like that? We know from historical records going far back that nobody in his family was Jewish. Fuck off with you conspiracy theories, you low twat.

Lenin also wasn't a Jew in any meaningful sense. Someone in his family converted to Judaism, they weren't ethnic Jews.

>Putin seems to have a disdain for him
Not as much disdain, as there is political opposition from the Communist sentiment, an I'm not talking about tame parliamentary communists. He has to take some measures against it to secure political power.

It's enough said that three most popular leaders in Russia are Stalin, Putin and Lenin. Not that 4chin will offer anything more than autistic screeching on the issue.

>they both supported a certain ideology which has done untold damage to this world
I did not realize Lenin and Stalin supported capitalism.

The guy killed my country, our national elite, our army, the church, seized people's property and turned their lifes into hell, millions of people who were businessmen, officers, students, professors, engineers had to leave the country and work as taxi drivers in France, Yugoslavia, USA etc.

>Lenin speaks against Anti-Jewish Pogroms
youtube.com/watch?v=XZzOgFY45s8


Oy vey!!

Whoa whoa whoa. A leaf? You're hurting my feelings man. Lmao. What you say makes sense. I'm not talking conspiracy theories. I won't claim to know all the facts I'm just telling you how I see it. Again I wasn't trying to argue ethnicity. Judaism is a religion not a race. But you know that already. Why are we arguing again? I think (hope) that we both want the same things

Porky is an antisemitic nazi cartoon. Nice try commiecuck

>our national elite
>had to leave the country and work as taxi drivers
Don't forget waiters or prostitutes.
That about covers the quality of the so called elite, as well as the fact that they lost the civil war despite material supportand direct military interventions of every major Power of the world.

You commies amuse me. Point out anything productive a communist system has produced. Tell me how it has ever improved anyone's living standard other than government officials. I'll wait. I can point to alot of good capitalism has done but I shouldn't have to it's pretty damn obvious

Jews are both an ethnicity and a religion. European Jews (Aszheknazi jews) are genetically distinct from any European group. They are not from Europe. They are very new arrivals, historically speaking.

The very first sjw that mislead the workers into a revolution that put him and his kikes in power. Then he killed the very same people he claimed he was fighting for via red terror campaigns, shooting squads, famines etc.
>Hey Lenin, our working conditions are bad! can we get a-*gets shot*

>Lenin was anti-russian internationalist
Because he was for world revolution, not specifically Russian nationalism
>Stalin was some kind of pseudo-nationalist.
Not really and just saying that's pushing it. Stalin just practiced a different practice of international relations rather then world revolution which his policies revolved around Russia and it's close neighbors rather then invading the rest of Germany,America or something

Ahh yes this thing

Lenin hated antisemitism because it's based on hated of race and Lenin found this disgusting, Lenin still destroyed Jewish communities struck down hard on Jewish religious practices.

>It's enough said that three most popular leaders in Russia are Stalin, Putin and Lenin.
Soviet propaganda brainwashed everyone born before 1990.

A genius social organizer and strategist

A retarded political theorist

>You commies amuse me. Point out anything productive a communist system has produced.
Two superpowers. Russia was significantly more powerful and successful than before or after communism. Almost every communist state is comparatively better off than the others in the same group (like Cuba, Vietnam or Ethiopia)

>I can point to alot of good capitalism has done but I shouldn't have to it's pretty damn obvious
Capitalism isn't mutually exclusive with communism. Liberalism is.

>it's based on hated of race

Oy vey you dumb goyim peasants stop killing jewish usurers race is a spook you dumb fucks!!!

Not nearly. Lenin put in place state atheism. Look up Christ the Saviour orthodox church. The Orthodox Church was decimated and only Stalin allowed Christianity back (not before infiltrating it with KGB).

>Savior of the working class
>Was a spoiled brat who was raised with a silver spoon in his mouth
>Just like Marx, Che and all other modern commies

As Putin said Lenin and the Bolshewiks are the main responsible for Russias defeat in World War I. They carve up Russia into territories and states. They caused a massive civil war that took 20 million lives.

If we (identitarians, white nationalists, etc) had someone of Stalin's or Lenin's calibre, we'd win tomorrow. They were ruthlessly effective and completely devoted to the cause.

That sounds correct to me. Where did they come from then. I have heard the Khazar theory but didn't really understand why it was relevant so I haven't really looked into it. You seem to know your history. I've done most of my reading of history concerning the past hundred years or so

>Soviet propaganda brainwashed everyone born before 1990.
You could make that statement before the 80s, absolutely not now, when the only narrative that is being pushed is anticommunist, and all points of view are available in the Media.

Stalin was not Zionist. It was he who purged the Communist party from Jews and internationalists.

He was redpilled as fuck and definitely /ourguy/.
4pol is full of brainlets who never even read State and Revolution, so don't even bother responding to this post you cunts.

I give that response a C-

Lurk more please

>Lenin put in place state atheism. Look up Christ the Saviour orthodox church. The Orthodox Church was decimated and only Stalin allowed Christianity back
Christ the Saviour church was intact and open for religious service until the Stalin's own policy to eradicate religion. Lenin's religious policy was never that antagonistic to begin with.

"Converted"

No not really. Lenin is below Nikolao II% popularity. Russians just like big brother authoritarian figures. If they save the motherland or expand territory bonus points.

I give that response and F. No argumentation or valid points at all.

>wanting to discuss communism in Sup Forums

Jewish usurers got the hang regardless.
>Oy vey international Communists kill your comrades because they have x amount of blood, we couldn't have both of you taking over my factory now could we?
Happy porky

"He who does not work, neither shall eat" - Makes sense

Perhaps I mis spoke. The way I see it, Zionism and Communism were tightly interwoven at the inception. They became somewhat separated at some point. I don't know exactly when do you may be right about that. Not sure. Whatever the case he continued a murderous ideology that in its inception was heavily Jewish. Happy now?

The Tsar did nothing wrong you moron
Bunch of jealous losers

>Religion formally banned
>Practitioners and distributors of holy books sent to gulag
>Not antagonistic

While at the same the jew Lazar Kaganovich was his best buddy for a little genocide. The purge didn't discriminate based on race. You are a perceived threat you die.

>The Tsar did nothing wrong you moron
Everyone who has lost absolutely cannot be said to have done nothing wrong.
>Bunch of jealous losers
They didn't lose, and I really doubt they were jealous of the guys who did.

Yet we are still taught in school that it was some sort of revolution or popular uprising. Looks to me like an outside force came in and took over. And killed millions upon millions of people

Exactly,all socialism is based on making envy impulses excused by faux altruism

Well ya canadese moosefucker, let me tell you a little story.
> once there was this country
> and by once I mean in the early XXth century
> it was a near feudal mess, a literal colony, a banana (or in this case grain) republic
> ruled by a foreign king - then by power mad fascist theocrats who changed nothing for the common man
> said common man living in near slavery, for the most part in hovels that would make the average medieval peasant depressed
> russia kicks germany's arse, installs a gommie gubmint.
> said gommies transform the country in less than 20 years from feudal agricultural mess to modern country with educated populace, all the trappings of modern life + free healthcare / free edumakayshun and a job all but assured after finishing college / trade school.
> pays off national debt
> industry, infrastructure and commerce with like minded countries.
Too bad it all went to shit in the 80's when the dictator went apeshit stupid crazy.
That said, our "communism" did do a lot of bad things too - the worst of which is the fact that we are still ruled by the repression apparatus it created (its intelligence/ secret police/ratting out network still alive, well, and controlling most of the country today)

I see Stalin was a cuck about race. Funny he never took niggers in the Union if he was disgusted by racism

(((Stalin))) was a Zionist

>Joseph Stalin adopted a pro-Zionist foreign policy, apparently believing that the new country would be socialist and would speed the decline of British influence in the Middle East.[2] Accordingly, in November 1947, the Soviet Union, together with the other Soviet bloc countries voted in favor of the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine,[3] which paved the way for the creation of the State of Israel. On May 17, 1948, three days after Israel declared its independence, the Soviet Union officially the first country to grant Israel de jure recognition.
>Soviet Union supported Israel in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War with weaponry supplied via Czechoslovakia.[26]
>North Vietnam’s Politburo chairman, Ho Chi Minh, suggested to David Ben-Gurion in 1946 that he proclaim a Jewish Government in Exile, and establish such a government’s headquarters in North Vietnam, Mr. Ben-Gurion revealed last night.
>Communist bloc Israel, In the early Cold War days, Israel appeared to fit in the category of being a “Stalinoid State"
>1947-1948 USSR sole military and politcal supporter of Israel
>Soviet Union led by Stalin politically and militarily supports creation of Israel, under condition that it remains loyal to USSR-socialism
>1947 Soviet Union, together with the other Soviet bloc countries voted in favor of the United Nations Plan for Israel
>1948 Arab–Israeli War, Soviet Union supports Israel and weaponry supplied via Czechoslovakia
>Yitzhak Rabin, an IDF commander said without the arms from USSR via Czechoslovakia... it is very doubtful whether we would have been able to conduct the war
>1948 Soviet Union officially the first country to grant Israel de jure recognition
>1948-1951 Israel is a socialist/marxist state with Stalin portraits and Soviet flags everywhere
>Ben Gurion leader of Israel through Maipai (Poale Zion
>Gurion was a member of the state sanctioned Evreiskaia kommunisticheskaia partiia (Poalei-Tsion) USSR Party.

>Religion formally banned
Lenin didn't ban Religion. His government had amiable relations with many orthodox bishops who chose to embrace a more liberation teology-esque outlook, as well as Protestant churches, who emigrated to the Soviet Union and opened up religious communes.

> the dictatorship of the proletariat will wither away

English teacher-san, please.

Why not? You don't have to like or agree with something to discuss it. Anyone with an IQ 1 SD above the mean should be able to consider and understand any ideology they don't agree with, without resorting to fallacious reasoning or historical inaccuracy.
The history of Communism, especially is Russia, is very interesting.
I'd argue that most Jews came to Europe through the Roman empire. Modern day Jerusalem was part of the Roman empire.

>Apart from leaving his country to be run by his wife who was controlled by Rapsutin
>Or commanding armies himself
>Or the entire Russo Japanese war
>Or just recalling elections and banning political parties whenever things didn't go his way in the Duma efficiently radicalizing liberals and Communists alike against the tsar
>Or brutally putting down protests causing riots and a earlier attempted revolution

Russian peasants don't just decide to become Communists for no reason

Interestingly,in my counterinsurgency manual written by former us and usmc generals, it was a conspiracy type coup.

>Lurk more please
>muh board culture
Fuck off you asspie cunt.

The situation was better with him but you will deny it. Communism is a failure, it self-collapsed

stalin should have left im in russia instead of saving his ass

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>Forgetting he ditched Israel when they switched over to good goy American.
>Forgetting he was anti-zionist cause he was deporting them all the Pacific coast

> the international Jewish bourgeois-nationalist organization called "Joint." The filthy face of this Zionist spy organization
>Unmasking the gang of poisoner-doctors struck a blow against the international Jewish Zionist organizatio

lenin is shit and taitor.

We don't call it the JudeoBolshevik coup for no reason

the tzar was literally the worst option, russia would have stayed in the middle ages without communists, everything they have was built by stalin

Stalin was a magyar thief who purged the brackets upon taking power you uneducated shitstain

One that wouldn't have occurred without several decades worth of agitation. You realise there was failed revolution in 1905?

Yes you retard he wasn't ideologically opposed to zionism that's the point

>The majority of Jews were "not directly affected by the Great Terror, and of those who were, most suffered as members of the political elite."[19] Between 1937 and 1938, an estimated 1 percent of all Jews in the Soviet Union were arrested for political crimes in contrast to 16 percent of all Poles and 30 percent of all Latvians.[20]

Hey bro we didn't have such fancy books where I come from. Tell me more. Educate me if you feel so inclined. Or just insult me. I am a fucking leaf after all, I know I deserve it.

Every thread you discuss this, and I know it's the same person, you get btfo. Tzar Nicholas never took personal tactical command over the situation, and first hand accounts(ie Brusilov for one) mentioned it was a shame he was so laissez and wished he had taken MORE command of the situation. The Duma actually blocked the war reforms so it wouldn't be ready until 1917. Those riots were caused by communist agitators in the first place so they could pretend to be victims. They deserved to be tortured before they were killed, but that's just me.

Nope, Russia would have followed the technological evolution and the relation between Germany and Russia would have been better just as it was with the Kaiser and the Tsar back then. Communism was the worst thing to happen to Russia, the price of its evolution was worth it.