Can someone redpill me on the Arab dictators and Arab nationalism? Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi. and Bashar al-Assad, for example. Pic related. Book recommendations welcome as well, if there are any good ones about this subject
Can someone redpill me on the Arab dictators and Arab nationalism? Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi. and Bashar al-Assad...
Nolan Jenkins
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Carter James
They are tough but fair.
Connor Price
Brody Russell
Gavin Richardson
There are some other things, but they are in Arabic. If you have any questions. say, I'll lurk in your thread.
Isaac Adams
>dictators
How was Gaddafi a dictator? He turned Libya in a prospering country and a great place to live. American greed labeled him a dictator because that's their favorite greedy jew tactic.
Colton Roberts
OP here, I've actually seen that first interview. My understanding of the Arab leaders is that they've been killed because of the mortal enemies and rivals of the Arabs, the Jews. Namely, Israel conspiring against the Arab World by using the USA and other Western nations (as well as "rebels", AKA terrorists) to destabilize Arab nations. Am I right? Is there more to it? And while I'm asking, I'm curious about Putin and how he fits into this, if he does. He seems to have a thing with Syria right now, at least.
Zachary Gutierrez
I know, leader is a better term. But everyone calls the man and others) dictator, so I figured I'd just use that word
Bentley Robinson
I know some Arabic, though I'm still learning, Might I ask if you are Arabic?
Brayden Stewart
>He seems to have a thing with Syria right now
Putin intervened in Syria for several reasons.
1. Syria is his ally. Putin doesn't have many allies at the moment, so they are very valuable to him.
2. The whole reason the rebels and Daesh (Isis) were created by Israel, Saudis and U.S. was to destabilise the region so they can put a pipeline through Syria. Thus being a rival to Russia's monopoly in Europe on things like oil and gas. Thus crippling Russia. Putin couldn't allow that, so he had to intervene.
3. Putin is now strong enough to actually fight. He has a media outlet to give his point of view, which is important. Also his army is strong enough to fight. He can push back so he does. I think, that he will continue to fight American influence in the region.
>My understanding of the Arab leaders is that they've been killed because of the mortal enemies and rivals of the Arabs, the Jews.
Not really. The Jews don't mind Arab dictators if they are puppets. The thing is, that they went rogue in a way. The Jews want puppets. Also, they killed dictators as a warning.
Carter Martinez
No, my sister is. I had to study it. It's one really tough language. But if you learn it, most languages will be easy to you.
Sebastian Smith
I'm also interested in this.
I remember watching these. Changed my whole perspective, but I can't really know for sure wether he's speaking the truth or is just a good liar.
Wyatt Butler
whats there to know? they are right wing traditional monarchs and dictators.
the ones that matter are either allies of the US or Russia. They only have """functioning""" states because of oil and ww1.
as soon as we're off oil these places go back to desert wastelands and saudi arabia and iran can fight it out amongst themselves for muh holy land instead of this proxy ww3 shitfest we currently have.
Gabriel Baker
The truth is I don't know. He has invited inspectors in his country to check if he is violating any human rights many times, so I think he has nothing to fear. The only reason the U.S. has refused is because Assad wants to put inspectors and commissions from all country, so there isn't any trickery.
John Cox
>and commissions from all country
countries*
Evan Cooper
But this makes me lean towards that he's speaking the truth.
wikileaks.org
Hudson Ross
short story
overthrow all 3 of the leaders you mentioned so israel can pursue their goal, pic related
why they overthrow gaddafi is a mystery tho probably just to insert another central bank owned by the rothchilds
Jaxon Sanders
very true, but israel doesn't care about the pipeline
Colton Diaz
>Can someone redpill me on the Arab dictators and Arab nationalism?
>Implying that for some reason Gadafi was not woken AF.
Connor Hill
>why they overthrow gaddafi is a mystery
Speed up the Hooton and Kalergi plan?
Mason Mitchell
Interesting. I'm an Emirati Arab and have been learning about these men and their perspectives on Arab nationalism. I mention Israel because they (and their minions) have destroyed it, resulting in said proxy/puppet states. I have some respect for Gaddafi, Hussein, and al-Assad
Justin Brown
Elaborate, Costa Rican friend. I understand that he at least called out the Jew (or rather, the Zionists)
Julian Thomas
Oh okay.
So the Arabs were ruled for almost a thousand years after successive waves of Mongols, Turks and the Anglo. Seeing themselves as "the Islamic world", that still left open wide questions about what the fuck they were going to do after getting a taste of freedom. But the last time they had self determination was in 1230 AD and the Byzantine Empire was still a relevant entity. There was no real roadmap on how to realize the concept of a "20th Century Islamic world".
To make things worse, the surrounding civilizations of the world were hardly standing by, constantly inserting themselves and their ideologies aiming to bring the Arab world to their way of thinking; globalist socialism and globalist capitalism were competing for dominance in the "third world".
To summarize, what emerged were four separate movements - one believing that democratization was the way forward for the Arab world, another, fanatical movement that a restoration of a theocratic caliphate would lead to a renewed contract between God and Man to create the ideal society, and finally nationalist movements with heavy socialist tendencies pushing to rapidly modernize society to fend off the hated invaders.
Democracy was the heavy favorite at first, but found itself quickly subverted, undermined and dissolved by the rivaling factions as well as outside globalist ideologies. The heavily gommunist movements also collapsed due to communism being retarded and American interference. The theocratic caliphate only started to make headway now.
Saddam, Qaddafi and Assad are among the secular nationalist groups who decided to go full Stalinist in terms of material modernization while having societal stagnation in the form of a military dictator.
Jonathan Allen
it has nothing to do with jews and everything to do with oil.
highly doubt israel would even exist today as it does if it wasnt conveniently sharing a border with the largest oil producing country in the world and the suez canal.
Chase Price
Worse, he dared to create his own currency not backed by petrodollars
Read about gold dinar
Anthony Jackson
en.wikipedia.org
This have anything to do with it?
Chase Foster
they are based.
Christian Parker
Calls out on socialism, saying that even as a third world country there was no reason to resort for socialism. Also explains to the arabs how representative democracy is in fact nothing but a kind of dictatorship allowed by the private sector (jews) and the concept of the power for the people, which is basically kinda like some anarcho-collective (despite the oxymoronic term) ethnostate based on the laws of Islam. No homos of course. And sexy female assassin bodyguards.
Aiden Bailey
People like Hussein, Gaddafi, et al were leftovers from the colonial nation building efforts. After the colonialists empires withdrew their forces they left these puppet rulers in charge who were supposed to build up the various nations along arbitrary border designed by said colonialist empires to maintain a delicate balance of power in the region. For example, Kuwait exists as its own country to deny Iraq coastline, to keep it mostly landlocked to prevent it from gaining too much power.
Well, at some point many of these dictators gave up on the dream of building strong national identities and unity, usually because they were just incapable of managing disputes between the different and opposing tribes bound together solely by these arbitrary borders, and so they then ruled mostly for their own benefit, amassing great private wealth for themselves, enough to rival and pose a threat to the elite of the original colonial empires.
When Saddam invaded Kuwait it was much like Hitler invading Austria, or Russia annexing Crimea: Saddam claimed that Kuwait was really Iraqi land, and by controlling the oil fields there along with the coastline he would have increased his own power and wealth by a great deal.
When the neolibs and neocons gained power in the West, they decided they wanted to undo what they considered the "mistakes" of the last generation of Western socialist leaders, and so worked to depose the dictators in the name of freedom or something, but mainly to take them out from competing with the Western elite. It basically came down to the West saying, "Well you can't brutalize your people anymore, so your job is impossible, and you've gotten too big for your briches, so we're gonna take you out and build up Western institutions in your place and we will succeed where you have failed in unifying your people. After all, we made multiculturalism work in the West so how hard could it be to unify all these very similar tribes and shit in Muslim states?"
Wyatt Lewis
Gaddafi said Israel killed Kennedy
Liam Johnson
He also was a drag queen. So what
Ryan Myers
Gaddafi was basically an 'overseer' who periodically laid down the iron fist, in Libya. What people don't seem to realize is that the middle east has been a volatile place for a long time, and people like Gaddafi were 'tough' and at time brutal, but ignoring the context is unfair.
2 books:
The Illegal War on Libya By Cynthia Mckinney
My Vision By Muammar Gaddafi (his history, ideas, and the Green Book is in the appendix).
Aaron Rodriguez
Gaddafi was an open socialist, I don't know where you've gotten the idea that Gaddafi was anti-socialist.
If you read the Green Book by Gaddafi (which was required to be taught in school) he explictly supports socialism, and presents his own form of socialism.
Here is the Green Book, you can read for yourself his support of socialism...
openanthropology.org
His proposed 'Anarcho-collectivism' as you call it is socialism, it's not an oxymoron.
Aaron Young
2 videos talking about why Gaddafi was killed by the US deep state...
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Even the British Parliament did an investigation and concluded that the 'rebels' who the US supported as 'liberators' were in fact Islamists. And that reports of Gaddafis human rights violations were 'overstated'.
James Johnson
They overthrew Gaddafi to throw the entire country into chaos. Lybia was a stable and relatively rich state under Gaddafi. This state could provide some help to other Arab countries in case of a war with Israel. Now it is a Mad Max style hell hole of complete anarchy and violence. It will take decades before anyone reestablishes any semblance of order in that country. (((They))) tried to do the same thing in Egypt, trying to provoke a civil war between the Muslim Brotherhood and the military but they failed, for now at least.
The plan is not just to expand Israel's borders but to keep all Arab countries in a perpetual state of anarchy and civil war. If Arabs are killing each other they aren't killing Israelis is the logic. This is why I laugh when I hear people say that the Iraq war was a failure, it wasn't a failure, it was a success, the plan was to get Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds to slaughter each other indefinitely. No one with half a brain every believe Iraq would become a liberal democracy (whatever the fuck that even means).
Gabriel Reyes
>your flag
Gadafi was in open rejection of communism, this said, having a decent amount of socialism backed by a solid right wing branch and you have a solid central-right axis. Hell! even Hitler knew socialism is an useful feature if you dont go full commie.
Liam Young
Gadaffi was an ally of Robert Mugabe and helped destroy Rhodeshia
Jose Baker
I like the flag, I'm not an anarcho-communist. I'm a Socialist Nationalist (not to be confused with National Socialism).
Hitler's National Socialst economy was corporatist, not socialist.
Strasserism was left wing national socialism, and the left wing elements of the NSDAP were killed during the night of the long knives.
Anthony Jones
Gaddafi may have been a scumbag as a person, but he meant well for the region.
West needed him out of the way so they funded a local rebellion.
His country was a borderwall for tons of migrants from Africa.
Whether the quote on that picture is real or not, it's still damn right true.
Robert Watson
Just take a look on this YouTube .. it cant be put in easier way
Xavier Wood
>RT
>Chelsea Manning: Collateral Murder Hoax
Dropped after two seconds
Logan Hill
Gaddafi was bro tier, too bad he failed in egypt
Adrian Perry
I can maybe shed some light. This is pretty good Something sad about Arabic mentality is that since colonization we have been very reactive nations.
Our people have been used to being under duress and attack so much that, across most Arab nations, men and women want a "Zaim" a "Caid". A "chief" if you will.
Imagine a region ruled by Trump type personalities, each more egotistical and crazy than the last... That is MENA for you.
So while they get fat on American checks, those leaders let their people starve and stagnate in an open sky prison.
Ghaddafi was different.
Everybody liked Ghaddafi... I mean he was a piece of shit but by our standards he was actually a pretty cool guy.
Libyans in Libya had a minimum revenue in DOLLARS, tax free imports from China so they could start businesses, great access to European visas, subsidized food...
The counterpart was that Ghaddafi would spend little to NOTHING on infrastructure... Much like the Saudis were doing until 15 years ago.
So no real universities... No hospitals... Just roads and artificial rivers. Ghaddafi had been president since the age of 27 and he thought he knew his originally bedouin people better than anyone. He himself would be the state.
But here is the thing. With no education his people became very dumb. Very very very dumb.
And as Ghaddafi wanted more money from the E.U. for his job as border cop, he also started fucking with the petrodollar with his Gold Dinar idea.... Whitey started getting flustured.
Remember: Libya happpened right after Tunisia, and unlike libya we dont have guns, no oil, and had to go to school and get jobs to get a decent economy. Tunisia was never going to be a civil war because we never had the guns for it.
So Sarkozy thought this is a good time to turn back on Ghaddafi. When he was strong they would let him plant his bedouin tent in the Champs Elysee... But at the first whiff of blood NATO decided to rape his ass. Literally. Look it up.
Lincoln Williams
Here is my favorite Mouammar quote:
"It would be best for Europe to agree to this new border deal, otherwise its future will be dark... And no longer white and Christian."
John Reyes
Thanks for the rundown, with nice digits and all.
Landon Martinez
trump is a great president though, just like that hero Assad
William Stewart
Holland you know not what you speak of.
You are saying you would be fine with Geert Wilders undisputedly ruling the Netherlands with his family for half a century?
You kids are so lucky... I grew up in the Ben Ali dictatorship. You should read up on it... But even then I cannot fathom raising my own children while being constantly afraid my entire family could be sent to the dungeons for saying the wrong thing.
For you edgelords this is just a game. Shia VS Sunnah. PC VS Alt Right. Zionist VS Arab. I wish I was born with a good passport, Then I wouldnt care and it would be a game for me too.
Camden Jackson
because they were brutal dictators who opressed their own people and posed threat to american interests in the region
america and its allies wanted democracy and stability
t. average american republican neocon
Angel Parker
>For you edgelords this is just a game.
Tell me about it, this idiots actually wanted Kast for president, cause his father was an SS officer and he liked Pinochet.
Motherfucker got a really scary 8%