I watched the first season and I'm already confused and irritated.
Why is Saber a completely different character from herself in Fate/Zero?
Why does Rider get offed immediately instead of getting a proper arc like in the 2006 anime?
Why is everything structured so differently from the 2006 anime period? Does this adapt a different route from the VN or something?
>Does this adapt a different route from the VN or something?
Yes
Is this b8
>Why is Saber a completely different character from herself in Fate/Zero?
Because Urobuchi hates her and wanted to spend as much time in F/Z shitting on her as possible.
this here answers pretty much all of your questions.
Which part of Saber is completely different than Zero? Her master isn't Kiritsugu and Shirou isn't as retarded as his Fate route counterpart so she's a bit laid back here.
Do these also explain why he doesn't constantly stop Saber from fighting because she's a girl like in the 06 series? Because that was by far the most retarded thing in that version.
Archer is the red man.
Read the VN, jesus christ. Everything is explained in Shirou's internal monologue which every adaptation cuts out.
So the MC is canonically volatile, got it. I thought he'd been edited in an attempt to not be completely unlikable for the ufotable adaption.
It's pretty damn obvious from the imagery who Archer actually is.
You've watched both adaptations but haven't read the VN? What's the matter with you?
>So the MC is canonically volatile
Is there a problem with that? People with serious mental illnesses tend to be volatile. In the Fate route he witnesses Saber almost get killed protecting him and it triggers his PTSD, leading to his desperate attempts to prevent the same thing happen again. In the UBW route this doesn't happen.
Don't watch shitty adaptations and complain about the MC being unlikable.
Funnily enough he managed to make her much more interesting than she was in F/SN. Fate in general was just a whole lot of clumsy writing and wasted potential.
Funnily enough he didn't, and Saber was a perfectly well-realized character in the Fate route from the VN you didn't read.
Just wait for the good route to be adapted: Heaven's Feel
Anything good about it is going to be butchered in adaptation
In the Fate route he sees pic related, which triggers his ideals PTSD. Saying she's a girl is just an excuse to get her away from fights so that he can self-sacrifice instead.
Fuck, Fate route Saber has great character progression and caratherization. FZ Saber is a fucking human toilet for everyone to shit on.
I don't have the patience for VNs
Even though that's a very sound point, shouldn't a good adaptation be able to stand on its own feet and not have to rely on the source material for crucial answers?
EXCALIBAAAAAAAAA thread?
Not when most people buying the BDs are already fans of the series, since it's been going on for so many years. Type-Moon doesn't give a shit anymore, if you're into Fate you can enjoy their adaptations, if you're new you're going to have a hard time unless you start with the VN.
Exactly. The FSN anime (all of them) are shit adaptations.
Can't fault them when the MC of the source material is a drooling retard.
???
Then why is Saber able to go toe-to-toe with Berserker in one route but gets raped in one hit in another?
>I'm unable to read but I'll complain anyway
What do you mean? She had backup from Archer in UBW.
Because Fate powerlevels make no sense.
Not until later in the fight, by which point Berserker would have already wounded her, IIRC
Should have followed the guide
>secondaries can't into Fate
Why, after all these years, is this still a thing.
read
the
fucking
VN
>This shitty bait
>every single day
>retarded fatefags fall for it
>every single day
Just end yourselves
>Why is Saber a completely different character from herself in Fate/Zero?
Fate/Zero was about bullying Saber. Different writers, different portrayals of the same character. Nasu doesn't want to bully Saber so there's is less edge. Also because Shirou's treatment of Saber isn't nearly as bad as Kiritsugu's.
>Why does Rider get offed immediately instead of getting a proper arc like in the 2006 anime?
Because Rider was just a minor supporting character in the VN and she is only relevant in Heaven's Feel. Look forward to the upcoming movies if you want to see more of her.
>Why is everything structured so differently from the 2006 anime period? Does this adapt a different route from the VN or something?
Yes.
Saber's treatment in Zero pisses me off to no end. Urobuchi's goal was to shit on her character and break her which unfortunately he did well. Saber was very distant and aloof when Shirou summoned her it's very apparent in 2006 since I rewatched Zero's, 2006, and UBW prologue back to back in the same order.
Rider jobs in Fate and UBW you can thank Shinji for that. HF is when she actually becomes interesting.
2006 is an abomination route wise and picks stuff from UBW and HF when they don't occur in Fate. Shirou does kind of come off a bit sexist when he said "You shouldn't fight" to Saber, but that was something that's easily explained more so in his monologues.
>Saber was a perfectly well-realized character in the Fate route
> king arthur, god of war, king of england, king of knights, wants some random japanese kid's dick after a few days of interaction
Whatever you say, user.
Why is Rin so best girl?
butt
ass
That's not Kirei.
Excalibait
Meant for
>twerking in front of saber
How did anyone ever doubt she was a humongous dyke?
Do you think she occasionally talks Shirou into having threesomes with beautiful women?
Yes, her name is Saber and occasionally Sakura.
I mean post UBW ending
I'm sure Ayako is at least a little bicurious.
I'm dreading Shirou vs Kirei. I just know they won't be able to do a basic slugfest without throwing in random acrobatics.
She's Shirou's best friend and spent most of the VN with her except in HF. I really don't get why Saber was more popular desu.
>Why is Saber a completely different character from herself in Fate/Zero?
If you actually paid attention to Fate/Zero, she's a lot more depressed over the events and feels she doesn't deserve to be king.
>Why does Rider get offed immediately instead of getting a proper arc like in the 2006 anime?
Ask Nasu.
>Why is everything structured so differently from the 2006 anime period? Does this adapt a different route from the VN or something?
DING DING DING
Well, in that case you shouldn't be comparing it to Fate/Zero then.
>Why is Saber a completely different character from herself in Fate/Zero?
She's not. She just isn't allowed to express herself with a stick in the mud like Kerry as her master. Plus she's more desperate in UBW after being fucked over so hard at the end of Zero. Character growth is a thing. These aren't your western cartoons where everything goes back to default settings with each subsequent episode.
>who is Shirou
Reminder that having a good master matters.
Why is 1. blank?
READ THE VN RETARD
WHEN CAN YOU FAGGOTS UNDERSTAND THAT THE ANIME ARE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE READ THE VN
>Anything good about it is going to be butchered in adaptation
How exactly would one butcher Kotomine eating mapo tofu?
Just enjoy the ride and be glad it doesn't have an assload of wannabe philosophical dialogue, glacial pacing and insane amounts of edginess like it's insufferable prequel.
Also, it doesn't try to sell you shitty Kalafina singles every fucking minute, rejoice!
Yeah I mean look how distraught she is in the first few episodes! It's like her character in the original work doesn't match up with the guest writer's depiction.
Apparently not since had an awful track record while working with Kerry
>head bashed in by a goddamn streetpole
That's because Zero is fanfiction shit
Do you behave the same around people you like and people you hate?
It's inevitable Luvia will join them in bed at some point.
Who?
Some Blonde girl who is Tsundere for Rin. She's in the Lesbian Loli spinoff as well if that helps.
Do you think Rin and Archer ever...you know...exchanged mana?
Fucking Saber clones. The original, Alter and Nero were more than enough.
Maybe in Fate. Rin was a virgin in UBW and HF, so the only way for her to do mana transfer with Archer is vampirism or growing a dick and pegging him
Doesn't look anything like Saber though. If anything, you could call her a jeanneclone. She has the same massive rack.
interesting character and done extremely well during all fsn, probably the one who have the most screen time, funny and troll everyone, loyal,cute.
Fate VN was objectively shitty and awkward writing and anyone defending it should feel bad
They rewrote Saber and Gil to fit their FZ characterization
I can tell you didn't watch it because they explain why he says that in the next episode
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>Also, it doesn't try to sell you shitty Kalafina singles every fucking minute, rejoice!
They only sang one OP and one ED, what the fuck are you on?
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Yes, instead it has insane amounts of chunniness, shounen-like battles, legendary heroes acting like waifus and villains who are defeated because of their retardedness. Truly a modern masterpiece.
What's wrong with any of the things you mentioned?
Fate 2006 was great.