Give it to me in slow people terms Sup Forums, what will happen when net neutrality gets repealed...

Give it to me in slow people terms Sup Forums, what will happen when net neutrality gets repealed. Will I really be affected?

Net Neutrality didn't come into effect until 2015. If you used the internet before 2015 then you know that it was just fine.

Yes.

Of course you will. Your internet provider, which you probably only have a choice of two, IF THAT will be able to decide want content you're allowed to access. So they could decide no more Sup Forums for you or no more twitter and it would all be completely legal.

They could also provide tiered access, where you can pay more for better streaming. So if there's somebody paying the low tier they'll be dropped to 25mbps while those paying will get the good stream.

Literally anybody not against this FCC ruling HAS to be a faggot Russia-bot wanting the world to burn. This isn't a Right-Left issue, unless you're a complete fascist in the Corporate sense.

So I suppose it is political as Trump is a Corporate Fascist and it's why it's his FCC doing this. Another example of this Congress and POTUS being "for the people" being a complete lie.

Ib4 Republican Trumpcuck support this because their Russian-backed God Emperor does, just like that Pedo in Alabama.

Not true little Russia-bot.

The ISPs weren't trying the shit they're trying nos, I guess they didn't think of the oppurtunity until NN was established. Sup Forums would probably be killed if NN gets destroyed

Net neutrality going away would be stuff like Get ready to pay for every website you like to visit unless it gets blocked entirely.

??

But the real problem is MONOPOLIES.

>didn't come into effect until 2015

2015 is the year they tried to ruin the internet and we were forced to make laws to stop them. Before then Net Neutrality was something everyone agreed on was the right thing to do. It wasn't a law yet, because it was common sense.

heh, almost had to address this but I see you used reddit spacing

>Get ready to pay for every website you like to visit unless it gets blocked entirely.

Because that happened in the 2 years before this 3 year old law?
Lying shill faggots

You can easily figure out that NN sucks by the sheer volume of shilling FOR it that happens here

>People want NN to survive so it must suck!
How fucking idiotic can one burger get?

THIS!!

Where I live theres only 1 ISP and the max I can get is 6Mbp/s. I've thought about starting up my own ISP because there's such high demand for a better internet but the laws of the state prevent it.

The FTC is better equipped to handle net neutrality than the FCC and can do so without classifying the internet as a utility. And the FTC had been handling matters of net neutrality for years before this power grab by the FCC and the government. Bunch of niggers listening to literally who's on jewtube reading twatter posts linking back to gizmodo and buzzfeed will be alarmists like

. MUH RUSHA

fucking retard

No effect.

But net neutrality came into being as a response to actions taken by ISP's that, up until that point, ISPs largely had not taken before.

I am with Trump through and through, but I really do not like the prospect of removing those net neutrality regulations. It's not good for /us/

nothing. net neutrality put the internet into the hands of a small number of people at the FCC. Removing it will just allow more freedom for the ISP.

But the upside of removing regulatory power is not just better for the ISP, but also the consumer. When a private company does something stupid, it usually ends badly and within a short time frame gets rectified. The Federal government simply does not work like that.

Federal bureaucrats have NO FEAR of losing their job for poor performance or unpopular regulations.

NN was instituted because one ISP floated the idea of making jewgle/jewtube/faceberg pay more money to host since 70%+ of web traffic goes to their sites, it was more of a reorganization thing to help speed up the packet flow on dedicated lines. This ofc was met with liberal conspiracy theories of turning the internet into cable tv., perhaps the ISP's would like it websites to be subscription based, but I simply do not see how any ISP ever gets away with that.

The only way to do something like that is to regulate it in such a way that forces ISPs to comply. and once they are forced to comply by the FCC, they will move their infrastructure to adapt. and then it would be very difficult to turn that around. Removing FCC regulatory power, removes a potentially negative future for the internet.

This poster is full of shit.

ISPs don't want the legal and technical burdens of censorship and never have.

Everything he is parroting is what we call FUD marketing (Fear uncertainty and doubt) designed so hard left companies like Jewgle and Jewazon can assume control over what you see and hear and steal market share away from traditional ISPs.

Traditional ISPs are plumbing companies, not propaganda mind control specialists out to censor 'hate speech' and all this bullshit. They are not good at it. QoS is already on the internet and handles all those 'fast lane' nightmare scenarios in ways you don't even feel because the bandwidth bought wholesale at the core is immense.

Source: Me who works in IT core infrastructure for a major telecom.

Just listen to how this stupid lefty talks:

>This isn't a Right-Left issue,

Followed immediately by:

>Trump is a Corporate Fascist

The Internet, like everything else worked better for people who want to be free by being less regulated, not more.

These bandwidth nightmare scenarios are a solution without a problem. ISPs have other ways around the mass bandwidth consumption of Netflix.

One of those ways is a paid for peering arrangement and because these people that squawk about this never worked in tech beyond getting their WiFI in Starbucks have no clue what that means they have become useful tools for leftist shits that want to have NN as another tool in their arsenal to hand the Internet to socialism and the Left.

I'll give it to you in a few points.
-It's called "Net Neutrality" so you know it's a good thing.
-If you don't support NN your favorite websites will be destroyed.
-Internet providers have created a monopoly through the use of government regulations pushing everyone else out. So the way to fix this problem is more regulations.
-Capitalism is evil.
-Corporations are evil unless they're on our side.
-Communism has never been tried.
-Vote for Bernie Sanders in 2020.
If this doesn't convince you then idk what will.

>Removing it will just allow more freedom for the ISP.
This is NOT a good thing you little fucktwit.

You'll have to close your reddit account

Everything else will be fine

Tfw my already amazing Internet will only get better now that poorcucks will have to enjoy 140p

Hi bernie bro, chill it with the soy

my argument is clear, a lone ISP will not risk their consumer base by partitioning the internet in such a way that turns it into cable tv or w/e loony libtard conspiracy theory is going around.

The only way to achieve this goal is to force every ISP to comply to some standard or regulation or even legislation. Keeping the internet away from a small group of potentially bribe friendly bureaucrats is very positive.

We can and will deal with rogue ISPs trying to fundamentally change the internet. Not that i think we would ever need to. But the federal government? hmm... i'm not sure we could stop a neo-cohen administration from doing whatever they pleased.

"net neutrality" is the big application companies Twitter, Facebook, Amazon, Netflix using their pooled money to launch a legislative attack on the owners of their lower layer infrastructure, the ISPs in order to rake them over the coals, fuck them, and extract their money.

either enforce "net neutrality" at the app layer too, i.e.nobody is allowed to be banned from any website on a whim, no censoring on youtube/twitter or else anything else you propose is useless and worthless

ISPs aren't "trying shit"

What happens is a dumb marketeer comes up with something (Comcast - Netflix throttle fiasco) as a dumb temporary marketee5r solution because Comcast suits were too dumb to buy enough bandwidth ahead of time. Engineers do not want to be bandwidth limited and do not want to put up with the headaches of implementing an Internet like that.


ISPs are not hive mind edifices looking to monopolize the world. They are run by tech libertarians and the same kind of people you find here. None of us want a monopoly because:

We pirate shit occasionally same as you, or want the freedom to do so.
We don't agree with government regulation, it causes no end of technical headache to conform to paper rules cooked up by suits that have no bearing on technical realities.

It is harder and riskier for ISPs to institute all the nightmares Google is trying to scare you with than it is to continue on as we have since the 90s.

Peering arrangments make up for this traffic imbalance.

(Netflix I see you have a lot of customers, peer with us as we do too then there is a direct path and we both buy less bandwidth)

What ho, parity achieved as it has been since the Internet was made of a few NAPs except these are privatized and actually run well.

NN is a solution without a problem...it's a wedge that Jewgle wants to throw every ISP under the bus with to hand more control of the Internet to censorship happy leftists.

Stodgy old ISPs just want to keep things largely free. No one is going to implement 'pay to visit website x' besides the websites themselves. It's just shit for business.

The ISPs are interested in BECOMING Netflix, not regulating your access to it, think about that.

Every piece of bandwidth is becoming more and more virtualized so ISPs can look more like content providers, which is why the current content providers are trying this bullshit legal manuever to cripple them.

The Wild West of the internet will be gone; this is just more corporate control over what you consume on the internet, obscure sites will be blocked/restricted and you will be coerced to visit website of sponsors. Basically the internet will be controlled by handful of companies. If you game or watch porn, or YouTube then it won’t matter much.

> -Internet providers have created a monopoly through the use of government regulations
This is the only true point. NN doesn't matter, ISPs must be deregulated and competition allowed to operate, then the free market will sort this out.

ISP's, have already been trying to get rid of NN.

They have ALREADY throttled torrents, P2P services...

what makes you think they wont do this, and worse, once they are more free to do so?

fucking idiots falling for "OMG the dems support NN it must be bad!" memes or " its da jooos/commies"

Do some god damn research.

No but capitalism is evil don't you understand?

>Russia-bot

Companies pull advertising and get on all fours and apologize every single day because some unhinged lunatic doesn't like something they did, no matter how innocent, and they tweet storm their business into a form of profane cuckoldry.

Things can and do change on a daily basis in business, the exact opposite is true of government.

You will get more Amzon and iPhone gadgets who will be able to legally sell your private conversations and probably limit what you get served as results, basically more of black inventors and white women with black guys. Americans have been ruining internet privacy for quite some time to enrich big corporations in name of anti-piracy.

>deincentive smaller isp companies
>treading on me
>goverment telling buisnesses how to run a
not very ancap of you

imagine if they were proposing legislation that was like "we want neutrality at the data link layer... but we can still throttle your TCP packets!" it wouldn't make any fucking sense at all. either include the FULL stack or fuck off.

i'm not an ancap

Sup Forums doesn't do well with advertisers. We risk that websites like Sup Forums become second class citizens on the internet. That could mean that you won't be able to access Sup Forums during prime time because normies are using up all the bandwidth to stream their netflixes. This is just one scenario, but in short it could prevent places like Sup Forums from existing.

Where do I sign up to participate in these pro-NN raids on websites? Do they pay?

The Internet will cost more. There will be like three tiers, Silver, Gold and Platinum and those that can afford the Platinum will get the best speeds and unclogged lines.
The rest of us, tough shit.

Prove me wrong. I actually work in the industry so I know what I'm talking about.

It'll be a literal doomsday! Give us more power. We need it to save you.

What this pretty infographic doesn't tell you is every one of those regulations tied ISPs hands and slowed down technical advancement by decades because they had to act like the Internet was the same phone lines.

For example in California a major telecom (Pacific Bell Internet) was not even allowed to run it's own core directly and had to peer with itself in 13 separate networks because of telecom deregulation laws. Amazingly even crippled like that it was able to sell service.

There is a technical solution to everything on the table that lefty fear mongers are trying to sell and more gov't regulation will only cripple arriving at those solutions.

Then change your flag

let say comcast have package:
xfinity streaming no additional cost and you can stream 4k
but youtube or netflix add $30/month with 720p quality
or their inhouse search engine free but google/bing add extra $15
or access the lol server pay extra $15 and for no lag pay additional $15.

is it affect you or not?

Better get big before NN takes affect. Otherwise you won't have the money to pay for all that free and fair bandwidth owed to the people. Only companies like Google will have the means.

I agree 100% the internet websites that we love will all be destroyed and the evil corporations will take over and capitalism is evil and communism has never been tried.
But seriously is there pay if I sign up with you guys?

My dad works for Nintendo. That how I know you're right.

no

what if there was an Anime ISP and they offered lighting fast Anime

Wouldn't corporations just compete with each other by having websites open that others don't? If AT&T blocks Sup Forums, can't Comcast say "hey goyims, we've left your shitpost website unscathed, buy our plan to enjoy the highest quality memes"? And if they agreed universally to block Sup Forums, that's business collusion, isn't it?

god you people just dont get it. How sad, what a pathetic timeline we live in where so many people are straight up SHEEP for corporations. Literal sheep falling in line to their doom. fingers in ears, "I CANT HEAR YOU LALALALALALA" "TAKE MY INTERNET!!!! TAKE MY FREEDOM"

I mean look at this shit. Just look at it.

>Prove me wrong. I actually work in the industry so I know what I'm talking about.

So do I, and you're trying to scare users by comparing a 50Kbps http DOWNLOAD to a 2G Netflix STREAM, proving you're just a fearmongering leftist idiot.

Oh gee I can't fit all of Sup Forums's https downloads into my 12.8 Terabit core because of Netflix streaming. Get fucked.

My internet bill for 100 down 50 up is 99 dollars because they bundled some cable shit together with it that I didn't want. Said it would be cheaper than just the internet. It's not cheaper it's just the same price as internet by itself. Now let me get this straight. Internet by itself is more expensive than internet and tv? Why? Because TV is dying and they have to make the newest generation that doesn't want or need T.V. to hold the television and cable industries together while they figure out a way to make more money again.

That's all it boils down to, how can we make people pay more for shit. Also how can they regulate the amount of truth or research people can do about particular topics? And how can they censor the people that they don't like and kill their platforms.

Just like if there weren't stricter regulations on your water company they could charge you more money if you're showering as opposed to drinking it, or shut it off completely if you are using the dishwasher and don't have the dishwasher plan. If you want to use your sprinklers make sure you have the lawn care package.

Please sir I just want to shill for the corporations (the good ones) for some money. Tell me where to sign up and how much I can expect to get paid?

Alright you smart-ass contrarians. What good does giving up net neutrality do us? You do realize that you guys are the corporate shills, right?

Must be nice living in a city, eh? My only internet is my phone or a satilite company that last I checked wasn't accepting new users. The system you described already exists for some.

but user, then leddit will just say boycott comcast, throw the router and destroy it.

without this nn issue, we shouldn't have that problem at all

My ISP is already throttling VPN connections. But yeah, totally largely free

Yes exactly this.

Now for the real reason AT&T is not going to do that: liability

As soon as AT&T assumes responsibility for censorship, they open themselves up to a wide range of legal concerns.

As long as they're a neutral bulletin board no one comes after them for the kiddie porn posted there in other words.

Once they start assuming liability for blocking something like Sup Forums, government can force them to block or prioritize all kinds of stuff. It's not going to happen.

Google and Netflix on the other hand has shown willingness to censor the shit out of youtube and searches already and propagandize everything they do citing 'hate speech' because they are run by leftists.

They are the ones supporting NN.

Sup Forums could be slowed down or put behind a pay wall of sorts. Fine by me though, the people on this board that voted for Trump need to start suffering, and fucking up their internet access is a good start.

>ISPs are the ones getting fucked

wew, that's some high tier corporate apologia my dude, does your daddy work for comcast?

Greater government oversight isn't going to make Verizon and Time Warner treat customers better.

I guess you're right. I'm all in for NN now. Thanks fellow Sup Forumsack.

mobile poorfags are going to get BTFO

It does nothing good! Capitalism is evil and communism is good and the more power we give to the government the better! Removing NN puts us further from our goal of establishing communism.
K see I can be a good shill too so please AT LEAST tell me what the pay is. Maybe I can find the place to sign up myself.

Most common users that the NN leftshit shills are fearmongering against aren't ever going to feel a thing with no NN.

A few heavy pirate class users will, they're running an amateur business and really should pony up for business class service at that point instead of freeloading off user connections. That's capitalism regulating shit like always, NOT government.

how do you explain the people on your side having far more money than all the ISPs combined?

Faggot-you-just-made-it-Trumps-fault-for-no-reason

You stupid fucking shill.

You won't even be able to post here without paying $100 a month for "Unlimited access"

So it really is just because muh capitalism? Can you at least admit that you are the corporate shill then, instead of accusing others of being one?

I don't run any business out of my house. I am not pirating. I just want to try to protect my traffic, but it gets throttled when I try to do so.

Says the pleb who never heard of a NAP and has no idea what a peering arrangement is.

This comcast shill has posted in every NN thread. Kill yourself you fucking drone.

They aren't wrong.
In fact, it wasn't until 2015 that I saw a rampant uptick in internet policing of right wing ideas as well as a massive push of liberal propaganda.

Holy shit you dumb inbred faggots have no idea how basic economics work.

>hey you're buying an awful lot of my product in bulk
>you should pay me more for it since you're such a good customer

Fucking kill yourself, you have no grasp of basic economic concepts and it's blatantly clear that you're talking out of your ass.

can I see that in a contract because that is something a paranoid schizophrenic would say
what do you use to track throughput

I've done very little research on this topic so far, but my instinct tells me that "net neutrality" is named in the same spirit that the "patriot act" and "freedom act" are. After reading your convincing posts, user, I agree with you. (I used to work at an ISP back in the late 90's, they wanted to SELL access, not RESTRICT it.)

But you're the one shilling for the government and the most powerful corporations to take control over the internet via regulations.

Hahaha. You’re going to find out how niggerated Comcast is soon. They’ve been caught trying to throttle and block sites for years, including here. ISPs are cancer and it doesn’t help that government subsidies helped to create the lack of competition between them.

newsflash: corporate entities Netflix, Amazon, Twitter, Facebook etc. will all hugely benefit from the introduction of "net neutrality" legislation. this whole thing is one slap fight between two different groups of corporations and you're siding with one group while going "LOL! I'm anti-Corporation!" You are a fool.

>In fact, it wasn't until 2015 that I saw a rampant uptick in internet policing of right wing ideas as well as a massive push of liberal propaganda.

Yes they are dipshit, and your "personal experience" doesn't mean jack shit. The left has been "policing" the right in every form of media since the beginning of the parties.

You're just fucking wrong, and you're going to realize that when you have to choose between shitposting on Sup Forums and jerking it to tranny porn on xhamster.

This does not affect as an kekistani


Kek

oh well you said basic economics two times I am hanging on your every word

>Can you at least admit that you are the corporate shill then
No but I want to be for whatever corporations are footing the bill for these raids you guys are doing.
This is a good post. Turn things around on the rightwingers and accuse THEM of not knowing economics, then use a fallacious analogy to drive the point home.

He may very well be getting "thottled" since the VPN packets might be deprioritized through a QoS core.

This isn't actually "thottling" but it is your fearmongering "slow lane" I guess.

So much bandwidth at the core it never matters.

Most Internet traffic is best effort anyway.

Most Internet traffic is delivered anywhere in the continent at 50ms anyway across a decent ISP core because the tech far outpaces the regulations.

NN will regulate problems in 2010 and reguire 10 more years to fix the problems NN causes in 2017 while handing freedom away on the side.

One of the common techniques to communicate effectively with downs syndrome sufferers is to reiterate key points.

This isn't even about right or left, it's about morons thinking these companies compete instead of collude.

the amount of money they have is a non sequitur and completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. they've made money for providing services that i am in no way forced to use as part of the internet, and despite having a huge chunk of the market, there are alternatives that i frequently use (for instance play-asia for importing games, or some small niche site for fancy arcade controllers, etc. instead of just amazon)

for ISPs, many people literally have no choice, and at best most folks get the choice between one of two heads of a duopoly. and pretty much any modern job above a mcjob or professional ditch digger requires one to have internet access

One of Obama’s only good decisions was signing that shit into law.

If any of you actually are against net neutrality, not only are you legitimately retarded, but you deserve to get screwed over by your provider who, without question, will move on the first day to make the price as extortionist as possible because not only can they, but they realize you will pay regardless, because the internet is a borderline necessity.

I can’t stress his enough: anyone supporting repealing net neutrality is sucking some serious circumcized, chosen cock.

>Net Neutrality didn't come into effect until 2015. If you used the internet before 2015 then you know that it was just fine.

That's because in 2015 the ISP tried to doing this thing. So FCC issued this 2015 regulation designed to ensure internet service providers treat all online content and apps equally. Now the FCC head want to repeal it.

A much more reasonable angle to go at. Also bring I CAN back and rule EUstyle ToS is illegal to enforce on Americans. Enough with the censoring.

Absolutely not true in the slightest.

Title II was enforced by the Obama administration because ISPs were starting to play around with the idea of throttling information unless you pay a fee. Repealing Title II is throwing the internet to the wolves.

Never happened before NN faggot.

Fact is whatever happens, I don't trust amazon, google, facebook alongside the government with power over something like the internet. None of them are accountable to customers, and they freely ban anyone who they disagree with.

But I already know that none of this doomsaying bullshit is legit. I also know that Trump isn't going to back off of it no matter how much kvetching you do.

Face it, you are losing control of your most effective weapon

>will move on the first day to make the price as extortionist as possible because not only can they, but they realize you will pay regardless, because the internet is a borderline necessity.

I don't understand why these dumb motherfuckers don't get this.

These companies know you are as addicted to the internet as you are to water at this point. They know they can gouge you, and since they have your entire search history they know you can't live without the internet, so you'll pay whatever they jack the price up to.

>I don't trust amazon, google, facebook alongside the government with power over something like the internet.
>but i have absolute faith in corporations that have blatantly and constantly engaged in anti-consumer practices

I can't wait for you dumb faggots to burn down the house trying to kill a spider. The sheer ignorance in your posts sicken me.

>This isn't even about right or left
Right I've seen this tactic used before. Trying to convince right-wingers that this isn't a partisan issue so they'll lower their guard and be more open to supporting NN. If we don't get right-wingers at least neutral to us, we won't be able to do anything because republicans control congress right now. It's a bit hard because we're also supposed to point out that corporations and capitalism is evil and all the organization is through leftist websites and corporations.
I need to start using it too in case a shilling agent stops by Sup Forums and is impressed by my pro-NN posts.
Could you please help me out and tell me where to apply for this job?

Supply and demand and competition will determine the price, as nature intended.

You people are so fucking stupid.

>as nature intended.

HOLY SHIT YOU PEOPLE ARE CRIMINALLY FUCKING STUPID

>ISPs
>"competition"

lel

Are you going to tell me more about what my interests are and how in voting against them?